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Some perspective for the doomsday soothsayers

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We've had a crap 18-24 months. It's no reason to drop the bundle or allow rank cynicism to take over. The seeds of rebirth have already been planted. What we have seen now is that no one individual is as important as the club, which is as it should be.

Some important points to keep in mind:

1. The logo riled most of us up, and the Bowers/Kelly combo had the vast majority seeing red. That combo is no more, and the people now in place at the head of the club have already made it abundantly clear that they will not be dancing to the same tune as the dearly departed. As it stands, I believe they will reinstate our real emblem for 2012. Thus far they have engaged in genuine dialogue with members, taking ideas on board and making clear that we are the heart & soul of the club. To me, that's a massive step in the right direction. One or two young blokes making ********s of themselves is much less of a worry than an administration dismantling a club from the inside out.

2. Fev, and now Proud, are being dealt with in a consistent manner. Both have had their actions scrutinised by the club, and dealt with in an appropriate manner. Proud has been suspended until the result of the court action is known, and the internal investigation can clearly establish sufficient knowledge to take further action. Fevola brought the media shit we all knew he would. Lessons have been learned, and the treatment, despite every extreme view being put by all & sundry, seems completely appropriate. I don't think there can be any doubt he'll be gone, if he even manages to come back, if he ***** up again.

3. Consistency provides a clear guideline as to what is acceptable, and what is not. Anyone doubting culture need only look at the fact that two individuals that have breached the standards the club expects are both, quite possibly, never going to play at AFL level, at least for us, again. Leadership is living up to those standards ones self, it is asking those that would be part of the bigger picture to join you in doing so. It's offering them guidance if they need it, and making the hard calls to remove them if that is the only option left. Thus far, all of that has occurred. There is nothing wrong with our leadership

4. The same review that lead to the demise of Bowers & Kelly has delivered sweeping changes to the coaching department. Those questioning Voss are doing so on the basis of 2010, without considering his 2009 result, without considering that he has now been given resources he lacked, a better structure to work within, and the remnants of another persons staff moved on. Trying to attach two individuals actions, in their free time and during the off season of all times, to a coach, is patently absurd. He is not the player welfare manager, he is not a babysitter.

5. Many are stressed over the GC17 example, and impending threat of GWS. So be it. We cannot control it, nor can the club. Money talks and bullshit walks. If players do want to be part of our club going forward, fantastic. If they're going to run for cash, so be it. We've had to swallow a bitter pill with Dr. Kerr pulling back the reigns on the ridiculous nature of the back ended contracts we were bogged down by. He forced us to renegotiate in a more astute manner. Better that it has been done, and we can move on. It's put us in a better position to retain the players we've drafted recently.

6. Try pondering how many years both the Roys & Bears suffered back in the day. I remember a time when our supporters weren't nearly so ruffled in the face of adversity. Shit happens. All we can do is deal with it, learn from it, and move on. That process is only hampered by allowing emotion to dominate the facts, on either side of the ledger.

The way I look at it, we're slightly ahead of where we were this time last year. A couple of individuals have failed, but the club has taken big steps forward. We've got a lot of shit in order, and have drafted well. Like I said at the start, the club is, and always will be, more important than the individual. If a couple of people decide they want to provide examples to get that point through to a bunch more, so be it.
 
Well said HM – yep, most people like to make a prediction.

Two people can read the same information and make a totally different call.

  • One side might see it as a ‘dead cat’ bouncing
  • The other side of the coin is a ‘J’ curve.

[insert: photo of glass with 50% of volume occupied]

And dare I say, I’m like most people I also like to make a call - my call reads like this… We’ve come thru the winter hardships, the garden has been weeded and staked and the seeds have now been sown awaiting the spring sunshine.

(And if the crop falls this year I suggest we return to the
medieval 3 field crop rotation system - every three years, a [strike]field[/strike] coach would rest and be unplanted. ;))
 
Haggis,

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Brilliantly written!
 
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Great write-up Haggis, totally agree.
 

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Brilliant post.

Personally I'd like to see a bit more solidarity and defiance by Brisbane supporters. I find the rampant defeatism of some posters to be head-scratchingly pissweak.

Brisbane supporters should have had plenty of experience in ignoring the media bullshit. We cop it from down south because we are an unfashionable interstate club, and we cop it up here because we are AFL infidels in Rugby League heartland. Just because some hack journo says we are in crisis mode doesn't make it so.

Ignore the bullshit and look at the full picture. The club is tracking upwards from where it was 6 months ago.

- The review, far from the mickey mouse exercise that many predicted it to be was courageous and comprehensive... the problem areas were identified and addressed. The Bowers and Kelly boys club has been dismantled. Far more capable people with their hearts and priorities in the right place are now at the wheel.

- The new social Club is open and by most reports, appears to be a likely commercial success.

- Unlike previous years where we have been off-season easy beats, we now have a gun recruiting and list management duo in Hadley and Kerr who managed to make some serious lemonade out of the lemons Gubby Allan left behind. We had 4 top 32 picks this year, including a top 5 pick. We have two more first round compensation picks in the bank.

The Fevola situation is terrible, and while the Proud situation is disappointing, in the end, it just looks like it will amount to little more than another failed rookie. Most don't make it.

3 weeks till the NAB Cup... PUMPED!
 
Well said HM – yep, most people like to make a prediction.

Two people can read the same information and make a totally different call.

  • One side might see it as a ‘dead cat’ bouncing
  • The other side of the coin is a ‘J’ curve.
[insert: photo of glass with 50% of volume occupied]

And dare I say, I’m like most people I also like to make a call - my call reads like this… We’ve come thru the winter hardships, the garden has been weeded and staked and the seeds have now been sown awaiting the spring sunshine.

(And if the crop falls this year I suggest we return to the medieval 3 field crop rotation system - every three years, a [strike]field[/strike] coach would rest and be unplanted. ;))


great analogy bf, and a great post hm. Thanks for bringing us back to reality, we can so easily get carried away with all the emotion

we have to trust those charged with making these decisions that they will be good for the club in the long term
 
Great post Haggis. The other thing that people need to remember is that given our current list, even without Fevola, we are good things to make the final 8 and as I have said before, an outside chance for top 4.

In terms of onfield performance, supporters need to draw a line through 2010 because it was a year where we were smashed by a perfect storm of injuries and some coaching mistakes that Voss, who is an astute football brain, won't make again. As Haggis and blynd_freddie have both said, there are some promising signs and plenty of reason to be upbeat about 2011 and beyond.

Supporters should be excited about the prospect of watching players like Rich, Leuenberger, Rockliff, Banfield and Redden taking the next step and the chance that this year we might, with a bit of luck (and we are certainly due) get full seasons out of gun footballers like Brown, Black, Power, Adcock, Drummond and McGrath. Add to this continued improvement or a return to form from players like Staker, Raines, Clark, Merrett, Patfull, Hawkesley, Polkinghorne, Maguire and Stiller and we have every reason to be upbeat.

Then there is the chance to get a good look at players like Beams, Polec, Bewick, O'Brien and the other kids on our list, which should be the icing on the cake.

Last but not least, nobody should forget Jamie Charman will be back this year and while plenty have dropped off him, I think he will play his part in the seniors this year as well.

It is definately, "chin up" time and the Brisbane Lions.
 
Well said HM – yep, most people like to make a prediction.

Two people can read the same information and make a totally different call.

  • One side might see it as a ‘dead cat’ bouncing
  • The other side of the coin is a ‘J’ curve.

[insert: photo of glass with 50% of volume occupied]

And dare I say, I’m like most people I also like to make a call - my call reads like this… We’ve come thru the winter hardships, the garden has been weeded and staked and the seeds have now been sown awaiting the spring sunshine.

(And if the crop falls this year I suggest we return to the
medieval 3 field crop rotation system - every three years, a [strike]field[/strike] coach would rest and be unplanted. ;))

And don't forget also well watered!
 
Like 3KZ has said, i like to put 2010 off as a bad day. We started so well, and showed the type of footy we were capable of playing, but then it all fell to pieces. Some of that has to be from our conditioning staff, and that has changed hands. Injuries also played a key role in our 2010 bad run.

I dare anyone, at the end of round 4 2010, to state that our team was worse than in 2009, and we made finals that year. Yes we have lost a couple of extra players due to the GC, but as TBD has noted, we've got the young talent coming through. Whilst we might not get up there this year, it should be exciting to see who will take over the roles of Brennan, Riska and Sherman. the next 24 months could be a very exciting time.
 

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Great post Haggis. I don't post very often these days, but your post hit a chord with me. As a battled scarred Fitzroy supporter, it got to the stage where I just said "whatever" when another crisis hit the club. Or when Mike Sheehan did his habitual hatchet job on the club.

As you say Haggis, if player X or Y want to leave, let them go. As long as we receive fair compensation, that is all we could ask for. Other clubs are in for a rude awakening over the next few years.

The Fevola issue is very disappointing, but not soul destroying. The guy is where he should be. There is no doubt that he will not play AFL football again. The club is not about one or two players.

Yere we stuffed up. But I admire the spirit of Voss, having a go at improving our list. Better to try & possibly fail (Jury is still out on this. The new players should be better in their second year) than to do nothing & stagnate.

The most disappointing issue over the last couple of years, has been the arrogance & ignorance of the board. That left me feeling like I could give AFL away altogether.

Now with a new leadership & a revamped football department, my enthusiasm has been renewed again. I think that this board will govern fairly & democratically & will listen to it's members.

I don't expect us to make the finals this year, but I'm just excited about the prospect of watching the new & young guys improve.

Bring on 2011. I can't wait!
 
So, the sky isn't falling, well what do you know? Fancy a bloody Scotsman to put some positive spin on our misery.:D

Anyhow, a much needed post after having to endure the Dylan's of this world on our forum over the past 24 months.

Thanx MH great post.
 
No need to get personal. That's half the problem of late, both extreme sides getting the shits with each other, too pissed off and distracted to face the common issues that effect us all.

Dylan, sometimes I really can understand your line of thinking, but sometimes I reckon the legal eagle in you pushes beyond intelligent skepticism, into a place where you just can't believe anything, or anyone, is genuine.

Naive, or hollowed by mistrust, both are just as effective a set of blinkers as the other.
 
I don't mind Dylan's posts at all. I don't really agree or disagree with the opinions that he expresses (I'm more just of an observer, I guess you could say), but I think he expresses his opinions well and they're more often than not food for thought (which is largely what I come here for).
 
I really like the attitude and philosophy contained in your OP Haggis.:thumbsu:

However,a realistic (not pessimistic) look at where the club stands can be measured by 2 indicators for those who want to face the facts regarding our rebuild in the coming years.

First (and obviously) where Fevola,Black,Power,Brown and Charman stand as to age and diminishing footy powers as retirement approaches.

Second and reference the main board thread to rate your clubs best 10 players aged 23 and under....not surprisingly,no Lions supporter has ventured forth on this thread and probably no one will....leaving out the new recruits it makes for dismal reading if our top 10 in this category are rated....what makes it worse,my top 2 ,Clark and Rich seem to have question marks as to whether either or both will even be on the 2012 list.

I am not setting out to dampen supporter's spirits...the future is there to be taken and our improvement should be enjoyed...as I said above,I really like the thrust of the OP and if injuries are reasonable,2011 should provide some good times but in the longer term patience and fortitude will be needed as the new list evolves.
 

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Keep on towing the company line big shot.

This quote merely provides official confirmation of my long-held impression of Dylan's perspective.

It appears that unless you believe everything is absolutely and irrevocably rooted, you are apparently a deluded sheep.

Like Haggis said, the people exploring the middle ground are outcasts on here.
 
a nicely written OP Haggis, thank-you for bringing forth some positive energy to guide us into season 2011.
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Friends and colleagues who follow other teams seem to think we can't get any lower.

I feel the same.

We've been slammed into the canvas and count is currently at 1.

We as supporters must stand ringside and yell at our players to get up and destroy any team that crosses our path!

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a nicely written OP Haggis, thank-you for bringing forth some positive energy to guide us into season 2011.
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Friends and colleagues who follow other teams seem to think we can't get any lower.

I feel the same.

We've been slammed into the canvas and count is currently at 1.

We as supporters must stand ringside and yell at our players to get up and destroy any team that crosses our path!

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Hey!..that's the good guy still on his feet lionroar.;)
 
I don't mind Dylan's posts at all. I don't really agree or disagree with the opinions that he expresses (I'm more just of an observer, I guess you could say), but I think he expresses his opinions well and they're more often than not food for thought (which is largely what I come here for).

I also enjoy Dylans posts....as stated above, don't always agree, just as some don't always agree with my posts, but nevertheless, he has posted his thoughts as he is encouraged to do when we join up to this site..

Perhaps if the previous board's activities been questioned quite a bit earlier, some may have woken up to the fact that things were "crook in tallarook" so to speak....we may not have got to the point we have..

When I first came to this forum, I remember campbell questioning some of the spending and decisions of the club at the time, boy, was she howled down for daring to have a radical and critical opinion of the club, ...it was not a popular thing to do, she copped it from every angle..

The above paragraph is used as an example only of the sometimes harsh treatment given on here to people who have an independent thought about issues from time to time..

...and now, those who are still concerned about the image/happenings of our club just at the moment are "doomsday soothsayers"..

We all acknowledge that we have turned the corner, and things definately seem to be in place now to take us forward, and that is great news, but there still remains an image problem that we have never had to worry about before.....and like it or not, that is not doing our club any good at all atm, when we are trying to overcome all the other issues..

Anyway, I hate to see people belittled for posting a reasonable and honest opinion....and that has happened a bit lately..

..thats all I have to say about that..;):)

Go Lions in 2011..
 
...and now, those who are still concerned about the image/happenings of our club just at the moment are "doomsday soothsayers"

That is NOT what Haggis said.

It's the extreme opinion he was referring to. Haggis himself has had many concerns over the running if the club. He was an extremely vocal critic of the Bowers regime and put his money where his mouth was by making his feelings known on radio.

Your above quote seems to separate people into two distinct camps MacMum. The implication seems to be that you either have concerns about the club or you don't. There is a middle ground too. I think that is what Haggis is trying to say.

Things aren't great but they aren't entirely screwed either. Some posters seem entirely despondent and resigned to writing us off completely before we have even kicked a ball in anger this year. There even seems to be a need for some to exaggerate how bad things are is if there is a prize for most dramatic poster. Eg... The suggestion that Albert Proud getting in a tussle indicates deep disrespect across the playing group for both Voss and Brown,

Haggis was just trying to inject some perspective. Just because the media say we are in tatters because of Proud and Fev doesn't mean that we are. You can't turn around a football club overnight, but Haggis's OP nicely summarized how despite some problems, things are tracking upwards. Changes have been made and the overwhelming majority of out playing list are busting their arse to regain respect for the club. Time for us supporters to issue a defiant middle finger at the "expert opinions" of the media and supporters of other clubs. Footy is meant to be fun, not a cross to bear.
 
If there is someone who is incredibly worried about our short term future, it is irel. He has well formed and legitimate views about where we are at and where he fears we'll be in 12 months time. Doesn't mean that he can't look on the bright side and appreciate that its not all doom and gloom.

Having said that, it is beneath the standards of this board to 'attack' someone for holding a view - that goes for both the instigator and the retaliator.
 

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