Rumour Speculation, Rumours, Lies Thread 2025 - Part 2

[Mr MysteryGuest]

The only reason I wouldn’t have done that is because it’d already limit our ability to trade our 2027 1st, in case we need to next year

Yeah that was probably the reason although it could be worked around.

Given how compromised 2027 will be , there wouldn’t be much difference between a second that year and a 2026 third.

Sounds like Ambrogio went on an ego trip about getting two seconds

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Hasn't it? We sold the farm for Gibbs, Geelong sold the farm for Cameron, Fremantle paid up big time for Shai Bolton, and Jackson, Port for JHF, West Coast for Kelly etc. The only thing that's stopped it from being a yearly occurance is this calibre of player hasn't moved every year, but when they have, clubs have paid through the nose for it. The only real difference in the Merrett/Petracca/Curnow deals is teams were allowed to push even more chips to the table then previous years with more future options.

Oh shit yeah, the cash splashed by the Saints will become the norm. The salary cap is still to gain another ~1.5 million in the current CBA and you'd be a brave man to bet that it won't grow in the 2027-2031 CBA cycle. Heck, the cash we're apparently spending on Ah Chee would be insane 10 years ago on a role player.

How long ago was Gibbs (7 years) ....Cameron (5 years) ....Kelly (5 years)

These are "events" over a long timespan ....it's not the norm

I think you're a tad overreacting to one trade period ......most industry commentators believe what St Kilda have done is an act of desperation, and how can you debate such a high % of your TPP to a few players

Lets see what the washup is with St Kilda .....IMHO, there'll be tears

 

[Betts are off]

Ben Williams also manages 3 of Port’s highest paid players
Connor Rozee
Jason Horne-Francis
Jack Lukosius

Like cmon Crippsy, just shut the **** up

Not to mention NAS, who is Ports #1 target.

Not going to risk alienating that relationship for all of King Midas's silver

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Not to mention NAS, who is Ports #1 target.

Not going to risk alienating that relationship for all of King Midas's silver

And not ours as well

 

[Huntercrow]

Depends on whether this trade period was an "event" or a trend .....I suspect, with no evidence to support this, that it's an event .....Clubs can't afford to pay this extraordinary amount

Interesting, that the top clubs, inc COLL, GEEL, BRIS, CROWS, GWS ....none got involved in overpaying

I think the trend is if you have an academy you can afford to offer draft capital for contracted players. Brisbane and GWS didn’t need to as they targeted OOC or subsidised players. Geelong tried but without an academy their only option was 3 x 1st rounders. Adelaide could have done the same but up against GC and their academy we knew we were no chance. So did Melbourne.

 

[jackster83]

Yeah that was probably the reason although it could be worked around.

Given how compromised 2027 will be , there wouldn’t be much difference between a second that year and a 2026 third.

Sounds like Ambrogio went on an ego trip about getting two seconds

2026 might be the least compromised draft over the whole 2025-28 period. Good that we've still got our first three picks in that draft.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I think the trend is if you have an academy you can afford to offer draft capital for contracted players. Brisbane and GWS didn’t need to as they targeted OOC or subsidised players. Geelong tried but without an academy their only option was 3 x 1st rounders. Adelaide could have done the same but up against GC and their academy we knew we were no chance. So did Melbourne.

 

[Scorpus]

 

[Golumless]

How long ago was Gibbs (7 years) ....Cameron (5 years) ....Kelly (5 years)

These are "events" over a long timespan ....it's not the norm

I think you're a tad overreacting to one trade period ......most industry commentators believe what St Kilda have done is an act of desperation, and how can you debate such a high % of your TPP to a few players

Lets see what the washup is with St Kilda .....IMHO, there'll be tears

Exactly, this was happening 5-7 years ago, and events that keep repeating themselves are the norm. This trade period doesn't change anything, merely its just a continuation of how trades have gone when a star player has decided to move on. The only difference between this year and others is we had multiple cases of players in this tier getting dislodged whereas usually it's a once in every 2 years occurrence.

Of course there will be tears with the Saints contract. History hasn't been kind to any club dumb enough to think the ruck position is something you pay for. That said, it will not act as a cautionary tale for any club because the moment the next superstar is available, a club will pay through the nose for them.

If you think clubs are going to learn anything from either case, I have a bridge to sell you. It's not like this doesn't continue to happen in other sports, even with a graveyard of trades/deals that ended up as "cautionary tales".

 

[Golumless]

Got to say, the Sanders interest makes a bit more sense with that.

 

[Betts are off]

Hasn't it? We sold the farm for Gibbs, Geelong sold the farm for Cameron, Fremantle paid up big time for Shai Bolton, and Jackson, Port for JHF, West Coast for Kelly etc. The only thing that's stopped it from being a yearly occurance is this calibre of player hasn't moved every year, but when they have, clubs have paid through the nose for it. The only real difference in the Merrett/Petracca/Curnow deals is teams were allowed to push even more chips to the table then previous years with more future options.

Oh shit yeah, the cash splashed by the Saints will become the norm. The salary cap is still to gain another ~1.5 million in the current CBA and you'd be a brave man to bet that it won't grow in the 2027-2031 CBA cycle. Heck, the cash we're apparently spending on Ah Chee would be insane 10 years ago on a role player.

I actually went back and looked at the Gibbs trade out of interest. Funnily enough, we really didn't sell the farm for him as much as people think.

All that's remembered is 2 x 1st rounders. But at the end of the day the points void between what we gave and what we got back minus Gibbs was only pick 7. Retrospectively the problem with that deal wasn't so much the draft capital required, it was the fact that we paid it 12 months too late.

Probably didn't help that his first preseason was the Brett Burgess camp either.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Exactly, this was happening 5-7 years ago, and events that keep repeating themselves are the norm. This trade period doesn't change anything, merely its just a continuation of how trades have gone when a star player has decided to move on. The only difference between this year and others is we had multiple cases of players in this tier getting dislodged whereas usually it's a once in every 2 years occurrence.

Of course there will be tears with the Saints contract. History hasn't been kind to any club dumb enough to the ruck position is something you pay for. That said, it will not act as a cautionary tale for any club because the moment the next superstar is available, a club will pay through the nose for them.

If you think clubs are going to learn anything from either case, I have a bridge to sell you.

In hindsight, most posters have agreed ....the players we got from the picks we offered NORTH for JHF ....made the JHF deal look a poor investment

I'd suggest, history will also reflect poorly on SYD .....3 x 1st round picks, Haywood, and Florent (salary dump to afford Curnow) is IMHO lunacy

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Got to say, the Sanders interest makes a bit more sense with that.

Tit for tat ?

 

[Thrillthorpe7]

So that Bulldogs supporter was spot on then. Maybe why we then targeted Sanders?

 

[Betts are off]

TBH, I feel like Keane could be a massive moneyball chip for us as soon as 2026's offseason. Which might be another reason we had no interest in trading Butts this offseason.

Teams have come for him multiple times and he's under contract until 2028. If he has another step forward in 2026 (which I have no doubt he will). He could be an extremely valuable buy low sell high option for us in a position where we have ready made depth.

I wouldn't want to lose him, but if a team is willing to pay a silly bounty for his services, then I'd listen

 

[Thrillthorpe7]

Top tier upgrades down back when you don’t actually have any good KPDs at all is certainly a decision from the Bulldogs.

Can’t wait to see them hyped up again when they look super exciting against the shit clubs and then can’t back it up against the best clubs. Can basically pencil them in for 9-10th again.

 

[Slim258]

So that Bulldogs supporter was spot on then. Maybe why we then targeted Sanders?

Makes sense, interesting they didn't even entertain Butts.

 

[Thrillthorpe7]

Makes sense, interesting they didn't even entertain Butts.

Just dumb from the Dogs, horrible list management. Butts is better than any of the KPDs on their list and would certainly improve their ability to defend next year. He isn’t a star, but he also have a proven track record against some of the best KPFs over a number of years.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

This guy is one of the most knowledgeable Bulldogs supporters ....like bigman, is at every training session, and hosts a very popular podcast

Do people agree with his thoughts here ?

 

[FR0GGY]

It's going to be interesting to see if Curnow continues to be gifted frees now he's moved to Sydney?

Could have used him in the 2016 grand final

 

[Slim258]

Just dumb from the Dogs, horrible list management. Butts is better than any of the KPDs on their list and would certainly improve their ability to defend next year. He isn’t a star, but he also have a proven track record against some of the best KPFs over a number of years.

Probably a better fit as well given O'Donnell and Lobb both like to play off their man, at least he sticks to his like glue and usually takes the biggest

 

[Golumless]

In hindsight, most posters have agreed ....the players we got from the picks we offered NORTH for JHF ....made the JHF deal look a poor investment

I'd suggest, history will also reflect poorly on SYD .....3 x 1st round picks, Haywood, and Florent (salary dump to afford Curnow) is IMHO lunacy

Potentially, but if our environment turns JHF into a star, we don't miss those picks. Not like Horne-Francis doesn't have that ceiling, and the club a draftee falls to can really alter a career trajectory.

If Sydney wins a flag with Curnow, history will look kindly on that deal no matter what mess they find themselves in 5-10 years from now. They get the one thing their squad has missed, a big goal kicker, whilst they got Warner and Heeney at peak production.

Tit for tat ?

Was thinking more we're open to a trade but only if the price was exorbitant. Similar to Essendon and Merrett.

 

[Cromulant]

Potentially, but if our environment turns JHF into a star, we don't miss those picks. Not like Horne-Francis doesn't have that ceiling.

If Sydney wins a flag with Curnow, history will look kindly on that deal no matter what mess they find themselves in 5-10 years from now. They get the one thing their squad has missed, a big goal kicker.



Was thinking more we're open to a trade but only if the price was exorbitant. Similar to Essendon and Merrett.

Personally I dont think their defence is that good either, not anymore.

 

[Thrillthorpe7]

Reddit has turned against the Crows with Ah Chee today, that’s when you know we are on the right side of the argument

 

[Scorpus]

Reddit has turned against the Crows with Ah Chee today, that’s when you know we are on the right side of the argument

I think we've managed the messaging really well. We've made Brisbane look quite unreasonable, even though they could have tried to make us look bad