speeding fines

[Mr Eagle]

Originally posted by Saint4Life
true above as well

but i mean, people dont MEAN or PURPOSELY accelerate and speed on a down hill.

Whether it is deliberate or accidental, it's still just as lethal.

 

[mantis]

Originally posted by Saint4Life
Also i never stated people driving at 100+ Km's. Im talking about going over by 1-5Km's/h. So dont say that we 'kids' can drive 200km/h cause im not talking about that at all. If you drive 10+ km/h, that is your own fault, and thats what the speed camera's are suppose to do! Catch these people, not the poor buggers, who go 1-5km/h over on a down hill.

UUMMM I was actually talking to Blues4Life, not you, sorry, or are you the same person.

 

[Saint4Life]

oh woops, sorri, got confused, heheh my fault

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by Stealth bomber
I think cameras take your eyes off the road. I've become so paranoid as a driver that I find myself looking more at the speedo than I do the road.

Well thats your own problem, not anyone elses. I have no problem at all driving up to the speed limit and then not accelerating anymore. Its not a difficult thing to do.

I have a problem with cameras because I believe many people speed accidentally. All you have to do is be over the limit for 5 seconds at the wrong time, and ****** $125 fine.

Many people speed accidentally? Cant say i agree with that. If im gonna speed then i know im gonna speed. Theres more people out there that speed because i want to rather than thru accident. Accidentally speeding is a really really poor excuse.

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by Saint4Life
And also these new camera's that check speed and if you go through a yellow light, i think that is also wrong, as sometimes, such as emergency or whatever the situation, (ie - ambulance), you do need to speed up or move out of the way, but then you cop it twice as hard and you get a speeding fine and another for going through an orange.

Your scraping the barrell of excuses here arent you? Speeding up to go thru an orange light because of an ambulance/fire engine would account for about 0.0000000000001% of all cars speeding up to go thru an orange light.

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by Saint4Life
Ever wondered why P platers are 'more likely' to smash?

Because most P platers are 16-18 and right in the middle of their 'f**k authority' stage of their lives, think they are invincible and can do whatever the hell they want - including ignoring the speed limit more often than not.

I know. Because 18 yr olds cannot afford NEW cars but only old 1980's technology. Hmmm didnt think of that did you? nup, didnt think so. 1980's technology mate, no airbags, no crumble zone, jack all, no abs.

Righto. It has nothing to do with most P platers thinking they own the road and thinking they can drive as fast as they want to 'f**k the police'. No...its to do with 1980s car technology! Thats a good one!

 

[scmods]

Originally posted by Saint4Life
Ever wondered why P platers are 'more likely' to smash? I know. Because 18 yr olds cannot afford NEW cars but only old 1980's technology. Hmmm didnt think of that did you? nup, didnt think so. 1980's technology mate, no airbags, no crumble zone, jack all, no abs.

Guess that explains all the P platers dying in new V6's and V8's.

 

[Samos]

No Macca, the whole orange light thing and speed camera's is a load of ****. That too, to me is a revenue thing.

In all honesty, i've seen it on the road so many times, there's paranoia everywhere. People slam on the brakes, skid half way through, then reverse. People behind come close to slamming into them, i believe it's far more dangerous. The amber light should be used for it's original purpose, to allow a few seconds to slow down, or allow you to just make it through the lights themselves, without causing havoc.

There's a lot more trouble on the roads at present, and I think a fine is not sufficient for those driving through red lights. People who go through a red light should lose their licence, that's the ultimate in danger. Amber lights should be used as a warning, and if you need to speed up to make it through (because it frustrates me, and you don't know how many times there's a prick RIGHT up your backside, if you were to stop for the amber he'd come crushing into you. These people don't seem to understand the need for a 2-4 second rule, hence why I think this whole amber light/camera issue is bull****, and is going to cause more troubles.)

I'd like to see the stats of accidents in the rear end, after this new law was imposed.

 

[Saint4Life]

Because most P platers are 16-18 and right in the middle of their 'f**k authority' stage of their lives, think they are invincible and can do whatever the hell they want - including ignoring the speed limit more often than not.

Well excuss me, not ALL teenagers are like how you say they are. Thats the problem, you think 'we' are crazy and have no respect. There are some that do, but i bet a billion dollars, most of them are not what you think they are. Thats just a pathetic reply and accusation. It actually is a discrace.

Righto. It has nothing to do with most P platers thinking they own the road and thinking they can drive as fast as they want to 'f**k the police'. No...its to do with 1980s car technology! Thats a good one!

Yea smart one again. You dont give a **** about P plater's. You think you have power because you are older. You ASSUME every P plater is a PSYCHO and a REBEL who can do what he wants and drive as fast as he wants. Ok, tell me, if we are this, then why isnt every person who are on their P's in jail, dead or lost their licence? Hmm lets see how many P Platers drive as fast as they want. And even if a person was speeding and is about to crash, wtf is a speed camera going to do? Save your life? pfft.

 

[Samos]

Originally posted by scmods
Guess that explains all the P platers dying in new V6's and V8's.

How many 18 year olds can afford a new V6 or V8? Where've you been living? Bedrock?

People tend to generalise about P platers. In actual fact, I think the 18 year old P platers are more weary (the ones i know) as it's all new, and their cautious. The dangers are probably males 20-24 who've probly got some new muscle car and want to rip it up.

There were statistics I read about that highest number of deaths was between that age category, i'll dig it up if i can find it.

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by Saint4Life
Well excuss me, not ALL teenagers are like how you say they are. Thats the problem, you think 'we' are crazy and have no respect. There are some that do, but i bet a billion dollars, most of them are not what you think they are. Thats just a pathetic reply and accusation. It actually is a discrace.

Crap. Im 22. Ive just passed thru it all in the last 3-4 years and have seen so many of my friends, my friends friends, and other people my age have crashes its not funny. Its not a disgrace. Statistics back me up. Sure not everyone is a rebel and is anti-authority, but a LOT of teens are and think its cool to drive fast. Hell, i went thru a long anti-authority stage but i never got my Ps until I was 18.

Yea smart one again. You dont give a **** about P plater's. You think you have power because you are older.

Im 22. Im so old arent I! Might as well be on the pension hey!

You ASSUME every P plater is a PSYCHO and a REBEL who can do what he wants and drive as fast as he wants. Ok, tell me, if we are this, then why isnt every person who are on their P's in jail, dead or lost their licence? Hmm lets see how many P Platers drive as fast as they want. And even if a person was speeding and is about to crash, wtf is a speed camera going to do? Save your life? pfft.

Fact is smartarse that their isnt a speed camera on every street in Australia. People can drive as fast as they want and generally can get away with it. I live in Adelaide, have been driving for 4 or so years and have gone past maybe 5 speed cameras in that time. People will drive fast because they can get away with it. Its simple. And you can rant and rave and swear at me all you like but that doesnt alter the fact that a lot of P platers are morons on the road. But its cool. Your still young, you wont realise what P platers are really like until your a couple of years off them yourself and see what they are like on the road. May be a stereotype, but statistics back me up.

 

[harry_hawka]

Originally posted by Santos L Helper
Wrong again toots. I'll attack their stupidity and bigotry too, both of which you have displayed large quantities of.

Certainly has.

 

[Samos]

What statistics macca? You seem to be holier than thou. In fact you're part of that 'high authority' group. You're still part of the statistics. As I stated previously, I think it was 20-24 year olds involved in the most car accidents, ironic, yes?


Oh, 5 speed cameras in 4 years? Adelaide? Well you need not say anymore. It's all there.

There are infact, many more on Melbournian roads.

I know there are many P platers on the road, who can be morons. You being 22 does not make you exempt, there are many your age and a bit older, who act just as idiotic, if not worse.

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by Samos
What statistics macca? You seem to be holier than thou. In fact you're part of that 'high authority' group. You're still part of the statistics. As I stated previously, I think it was 20-24 year olds involved in the most car accidents, ironic, yes?


Oh, 5 speed cameras in 4 years? Adelaide? Well you need not say anymore. It's all there.

There are infact, many more on Melbournian roads.

I know there are many P platers on the road, who can be morons. You being 22 does not make you exempt, there are many your age and a bit older, who act just as idiotic, if not worse.

No s**t. There are plenty of people my age that are morons too. Cept im not claiming we arent and putting up poor excuses as to why all of us 22 year olds arent morons.

There are plenty of speed cameras in Adelaide...ive just managed to avoid most of them and never seem to see any. Lucky i guess...especially when i live in an area where there is generally 2 or 3 a day around the place.

 

[BloodyPrincess]

I am sure that the government would like to get rid of this stream of revenue, the cost of injuries/deaths far outweighs the money they make in speed cameras.

Yeah I got nabbed once last year, it was a wakeup call and an expensive one at that.

 

[TheBloods]

Most speed cameras are undoubtedly revenue raising tools for the government.

Any sensible driver will acknowledge that at times while driving the speed may peak a bit above the speed limit, say 5 km/h. It happens and can be brought back towards the speed limit quite quickly and easily. It's not possible, and indeed not safe, to look at the speedo constantly while driving so this peaking is very easy to do.

This is not what speed cameras should be out to catch, but rather the people that drive dangerously and speed well above the speed limit.

The TAC ads are very graphic and talk about that extra 5km/h making a difference, and undoubtedly it does in some cases, however there are so many other factors involved, I don't think the difference between 65km/h and 60km/h is going to have an effect in the vast majority of driving situations.

What should happen instead is the speed cameras should be relocated to areas where drivers are constantly driving well above the speed limit or in particularly dangerous areas, and they should be hidden in those locations.

The fine structure should be changed. Smaller offences do not need enormous fines. However, larger offences need much much larger fines. I think, say, for 20-30km/k over the fine should be $500 or more, and half your licence in demerit points. For >30km/h the fine should be $2,000 and immediate loss of licence for one year minimum (and no exceptions like you'll lose your job - bad luck).

 

[Santos L Helper]

Originally posted by Saint4Life

Edit complete jibberish and statements that appear to be made by a complete imbecile...........but I will answer this one.

Mmmm yep, as for schools, well 40km/h is fine, but i do not believe that it is the drivers fault if a child runs out from nowhere, but the mothers/fathers who should be watching them, as if they know it is dangerous, why arent the looking over at them at all times!? Also there is a lolly pop lady always around so they shouldnt be crossing in the first place, maybe the education system should teach more kids about crossing the roads. But as the law says, if driver hits pedestrian, the driver gets into trouble. Meh, that law needs to be changed, its not always the driver's fault. But i dont have a real issue on the 40km/h rule. Im fine with it. Its there to try avoid these accidents which is a good thing. Also speedo's go up to 270km/h because the car can reach that speed. Some people, car fanatics, like to race their cars at "race course's" which can be done, and you can drive your car around the track. How would you like it if you didnt know what speed you were at because your speedo went to 100km/h??

Let me tell you something sunshine. The law says 25kmh in a school zone, and if you think young children are to blame when accidents happen because someone drives too fast or doesn't pay attention then you're a complete tool. One day you'll (god forbid) have kids and you'll understand that it is the responsibility of road users to watch out for young children. Sure parents and teachers keep an eye on as much as they can, but you can't protect everyone all the time, and therefore you hope the road users have enough brains to slow down and watch out for kids for the 100 metres or so of speed restrictions. Yes, sometimes kids are to blame, but to blanket all acidents as kids faults is just stupid.
The last part of that paragraph makes no sense at all. What the hell has this got to do with anytrhing? Like most of your rubbish, your arguments are based on heresay and stupid comments. NOT FACTS!

Idiot!

 

[Crowaholic]

Just like on the roads, there sure are some idiots in here. Samos being one.

I am sick to death of the morons on the roads. If I was running the place there would be a system brought in where you can dob in a driver. All you would do is after seeing a moron speed past or fail to indicate when turning etc etc is either phone up a special police line or log on to the police site and enter the details. For each report the person gets a caution via a phone call or letter from the police and if they reach 3 cautions in a certain time period then action is taken in other ways. Simple really. It would also save me from having to worry about sticking my finger up as they speed past me or from beeping my horn.

 

[Docker_Brat]

The point of low speed limits outside schools is to be able to stop in time if some little brat runs out.

Anyone who thinks the normal speed limit should apply has a total disregard for other people. Just like 4WD owners who drive them in urban areas.

Hopefully Samos never has to experience the horror of having another human being splattered over the front of his car.

Wake up to yourself!

 

[TheBloods]

All I can say is - what a c*^t!! I may have been caught about 15 minutes ago. Driving along Alexandra Pde towards the Eastern Fwy doing just about 60km/h or a fraction under. Light turns orange, car behind me is fairly close, no traffic can turn, so I accelerate a little and go through. One or two other cars also go through to the side of me, just before me. The light is definitely orange when I go through, and I doubt if it turned red until I am through (or nearly through ) the intersection. I see the camera flash behind me. What a bitch. Hope it's not me, but who can tell at the time.

 

[Saint4Life]

mmm read above, see what happened :S
hmmm.

lol santo, isnt it on TV that speed limits are 40KM/H near a school on a street unless otherwise stated? MMM. Watch some tv might see it. Im not saying these limits are bad, they are quite good. Im talking bout having a big problems with camera's hidden down a hill. Not near schools.

Crowaholic, moron's arnt just P platers. Why not many are. People just see to have this 'image' that they are. Im a shinning example of a good boy . No accident, not 1 speeding fine, not 1 pull over, nothing, and i've had it since the start of the year. Every person also makes mistakes, no matter who you are. Just control your anger and its ok If you cant handle it that it makes you so angry, catch the bus.

 

[Samos]

Originally posted by Crowaholic
Just like on the roads, there sure are some idiots in here. Samos being one.

I am sick to death of the morons on the roads. If I was running the place there would be a system brought in where you can dob in a driver. All you would do is after seeing a moron speed past or fail to indicate when turning etc etc is either phone up a special police line or log on to the police site and enter the details. For each report the person gets a caution via a phone call or letter from the police and if they reach 3 cautions in a certain time period then action is taken in other ways. Simple really. It would also save me from having to worry about sticking my finger up as they speed past me or from beeping my horn.

Are you going to bring forth an argument as to where i'm an idiot, you **** rag?

You're not running the place, and never will, so don't flatter yourself.
I too, dislike morons on the roads but your suggestion is seriously flawed, obviously you lack intelligence of any form. Could you imagine your system being implemented? Anyone could dob in a driver, not for being a bad driver, but for their race. Ie; We'll dob this guy in because he's Indian! Sounds stupid? Yes, in actual fact, it is stupid. But there are many levels of stupidity in this society and of course, there'd be pricks who'd dob you in for no reason whatsoever.

Your suggestion is not so 'simple', as if it was, the system would have already been implemented, don't you think?

 

[Samos]

Originally posted by Docker_Brat
The point of low speed limits outside schools is to be able to stop in time if some little brat runs out.

Anyone who thinks the normal speed limit should apply has a total disregard for other people. Just like 4WD owners who drive them in urban areas.

Hopefully Samos never has to experience the horror of having another human being splattered over the front of his car.

Wake up to yourself!

You're obviously a bit lost aren't you? I actually drive cautiously and safely as possible. Where in f*ck did I mention anything of what you've stated?

You've misinterpreted.

I do not condone speeding, I am for safe driving. The thread was about speeding cameras. Read my arguments, don't manipulate them.

 

[Samos]

Originally posted by Santos L Helper
Like most of your rubbish, your arguments are based on heresay and stupid comments. NOT FACTS!

Idiot!

Oh kettle, how are you? Yes I'm black too.

Good to see in this post you've not attempted to abuse anyone for their grammar. You really can't speak about 'stupid comments' as drilling someone for English over the internet is pretty high in studpidity.

 

[Jars458]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
All I can say is - what a c*^t!! I may have been caught about 15 minutes ago. Driving along Alexandra Pde towards the Eastern Fwy doing just about 60km/h or a fraction under. Light turns orange, car behind me is fairly close, no traffic can turn, so I accelerate a little and go through. One or two other cars also go through to the side of me, just before me. The light is definitely orange when I go through, and I doubt if it turned red until I am through (or nearly through ) the intersection. I see the camera flash behind me. What a bitch. Hope it's not me, but who can tell at the time.

From what I understand red light cameras are only operate if you go over the strip on the front of the intersection about 1 to one and a half seconds AFTER it turns red.

That's the case in SA anyway.

It may not have been you therefore if you are sure it was Amber when you first went through it.