St Kilda complain about priority draft access in Oct 2024; now set to gain priority access to a first / second round pick via their NGA access

[Stan_Darsh72]

“How about you give the best player to Brisbane this year” a direct quote from an embarrassing speech I thought he was about to cry not even joking

Give me the time stamp of the quote in the video

 

[Chip Scab1]

Well for a person who has so called watched the speech for "cringe and embarssment" he might be able to back up what parts he disagreed with.

You're asking for perfect world manners on an anonymous forum. Reading you for the first time, you're better (at least smarter) than that.

I also think the academies are a disgrace and don't really care if there are no players drafted from QLD. What does it matter to us? I couldn't give two shits about any other team - I assume you and your president are the same. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[mighty_lions]

Give me the time stamp of the quote in the video

lol no, did he cry as he walked off stage? What a baby

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

You're asking for perfect world manners on an anonymous forum. Reading you for the first time, you're better (at least smarter) than that.

I also think the academies are a disgrace and don't really care if there are no players drafted from QLD. What does it matter to us? I couldn't give two shits about any other team - I assume you and your president are the same. Nothing wrong with that.

XXXX has caused damage.

 

[mighty_lions]

XXXX has caused damage.

If you want to watch some cringe start it at 0.01 when he starts talking but if you want to see him cry start it at 4.30

 

[mighty_lions]

So you have not watched it.

How cringe.

Just got this really weird DM from you Stan

Dear Mighty lions, I wrote you, but you still ain’t callin’
I left my cell, my pager and my home phone at the bottom
I sent two letters back in autumn, you must not’ve got those time stamps to the big footy forum

My girlfriend’s jealous ’cause I talk about you 24/7
But she don’t know you like I know you, Mighty Lions, no one does
She don’t know what it was like for people like us growin’ up
You gotta call me, man, I’ll be the biggest fan you’ll ever lose
Sincerely yours, Stan—P.S. We should be together too

 

[Elixuh]

A sensible Saints supporter who discussed this on our board correctly pointed out that if the academies are abolished the Saints would still pick the same terrible players, the only difference being they’d use a numerically lower draft pick to do so.

Abolishing the academies will not benefit St Kilda. The argument is only being made to distract Saints members, and it’s working. Sad!

 

[Tasmanian saint]

Of course it isn't.

You've had 10% extra salary cap in 3/4. Academy leg-ups which happen to be head office directives.

They have lost a GF by a kick and drew another. I get the savageness.

To put in perspective if the current academy rules were in place in nick riewoldts draft year he would have been drafted into one of the most dominant teams in history at Brisbane on top of them getting Jonathan brown as a father son

 

[SSwans2011]

This is debatable given how good he's turning out, but it was said at the time Sydney bid on Michalaney early (and maybe others?) to make them pay. I don't think anyone had him going first round.

Nah, it was said at the time but we genuinely wanted him and he suited our needs. It's also not uncommon for us to select a player that appears to be a reach in the first round - Sheldrick, Dylan Stephens and Matt Ling are some recent ones that come to mind.

We have become notorious for bidding on academy/FS players, but generally they've made sense in terms of what we've needed or who we've picked afterwards.

I think we legitimately rated Michalaney very highly and it's ironic given how many first round busts we've had that it now looks like he would have been a great selection, but obviously he was always going to the Crows.

 

[Tasmanian saint]

A sensible Saints supporter who discussed this on our board correctly pointed out that if the academies are abolished the Saints would still pick the same terrible players, the only difference being they’d use a numerically lower draft pick to do so.

Abolishing the academies will not benefit St Kilda. The argument is only being made to distract Saints members, and it’s working. Sad!

I’ve got no issue to be honest with clubs in non afl states having academy’s I understand the role they play is important. But the first 4 picks in the draft for the teams that finish bottom 4 should absolutely be off limits and uncompromised picks

 

[SSwans2011]

The anger was at teams like Gold Coast and Sydney who gets 2 or 3 top 20 picks every second year, even every year in some cases.

Sydney have had 3 first round academy picks in the last decade (Mills, Blakey & Campbell). We also could have had Dunkley as a FS but he didn't want to leave Victoria at the time.

2 or 3 every second year (or even every year in some cases!) sounds much worse than 3 in 10 though, so I get why you went with that.

 

[mighty_lions]

To put in perspective if the current academy rules were in place in nick riewoldts draft year he would have been drafted into one of the most dominant teams in history at Brisbane on top of them getting Jonathan brown as a father son

lol no he wouldn’t of, he played for Southport and broadbeach

 

[Chip Scab1]

If you want to watch some cringe start it at 0.01 when he starts talking but if you want to see him cry start it at 4.30

I do and I will, this could be good.

To put in perspective if the current academy rules were in place in nick riewoldts draft year he would have been drafted into one of the most dominant teams in history at Brisbane on top of them getting Jonathan brown as a father son

I hope you see your team win one. But frankly, whilst I have empathy for your club and its fans, you've also been given every possible and haven't quite got there.

This random situation didn't involve us and as such, I don't have an opinion.

 

[Chip Scab1]

We also could have had Dunkley as a FS but he didn't want to leave Victoria at the time.

You also stole Neck Blakey, so that evens itself out.

 

[SSwans2011]

I kind of understand St Kilda's frustration, but I reckon FA hurts smaller Victorian teams more than academies

No disrespect to St Kilda or North, but if a player is returning or moving to Victoria, they're fighting an uphill battle to convince them to join as compared to big and/or successful clubs. I think improving access to those free agents would do more than allowing them access to 18-year-olds that will probably be disgruntled and want to return home once they're able to (see JHF, the constant Harley Reid speculation, and previously Tom Boyd) as compared to experienced players that actually want to be there.

I'm not sure how you fix it, but I think the obvious first step is to stop pulling compensation picks out of thin air, which is generally an incredibly stupid system –why should the draft hands of 16 clubs be weakened by a deal that doesn't involve them? I'm fine with the compensation being based on the value of the contract, but the cost should be worn by the recruiting club, working similarly to how Academy/FS bids work. Perhaps as an equalisation measure you could look at applying discounts to that cost based on where the recruiting club finished on the ladder which still disadvantages uninvolved clubs but it at least serves a purpose.

 

[SSwans2011]

You also stole Neck Blakey, so that evens itself out.

Yes, he was mentioned in the very post you selectively quoted, my friend. Quite literally in the sentence before the one you've quoted here.

 

[Chip Scab1]

Yes, he was mentioned in the very post you selectively quoted, my friend. Quite literally in the sentence before the one you've quoted here.

As a R1 Draft Pick...no, he was a Norf 2x Premiership father's/son which you callously stole. And misused. Misrepresented it a tad, you did.

 

[SSwans2011]

As a R1 Draft Pick...no, he was a Norf 2x Premiership father's/son which you callously stole. And misused. Misrepresented it a tad, you did.

Really!?! First I'm hearing of this!

 

[botts]

we've been through this, less travel, home city grand final, less retention issues because the greater talent pool comes out of melbourne, the NGA academy

Non of which translate to talent on the field like what you have received. Thats what wins games of footy. Not geographic location

 

[mighty_lions]

Non of which translate to talent on the field like what you have received. Thats what wins games of footy. Not geographic location

No wonder no one wants to come to your club if you think only talent on field wins game of football, how do you think we were able to trade in all the gun players

 

[King Hansen]

Sydney have had 3 first round academy picks in the last decade (Mills, Blakey & Campbell). We also could have had Dunkley as a FS but he didn't want to leave Victoria at the time.

2 or 3 every second year (or even every year in some cases!) sounds much worse than 3 in 10 though, so I get why you went with that.

Still 3 more than all Vic teams.

 

[SSwans2011]

Still 3 more than all Vic teams.

Essendon, Collingwood and the Bulldogs have all had a first round NGA selection.

 

[Mat Mann]

I kind of understand St Kilda's frustration, but I reckon FA hurts smaller Victorian teams more than academies

No disrespect to St Kilda or North, but if a player is returning or moving to Victoria, they're fighting an uphill battle to convince them to join as compared to big and/or successful clubs. I think improving access to those free agents would do more than allowing them access to 18-year-olds that will probably be disgruntled and want to return home once they're able to (see JHF, the constant Harley Reid speculation, and previously Tom Boyd) as compared to experienced players that actually want to be there.

I'm not sure how you fix it, but I think the obvious first step is to stop pulling compensation picks out of thin air, which is generally an incredibly stupid system –why should the draft hands of 16 clubs be weakened by a deal that doesn't involve them? I'm fine with the compensation being based on the value of the contract, but the cost should be worn by the recruiting club, working similarly to how Academy/FS bids work. Perhaps as an equalisation measure you could look at applying discounts to that cost based on where the recruiting club finished on the ladder which still disadvantages uninvolved clubs but it at least serves a purpose.

It's an interesting discussion.

no doubt the system has been gamed, but the premise remains that it's more than likely going to be a lower club that loses talent to a higher club.

There does need to be a mechanism that stops lower clubs from being pillaged of talent or as is, provides a path for those lower clubs to recoup some talent. last thing we need is clubs becoming feeders for those higher up.

The awarding of picks is not to different to the Academy f/s and nga's . Inventing a pick based on the accumulation of some random points that equals more than the sum of their worth
ie 3 picks in the 40's being worth a pick 4

maybe a discount on picks, on top of awarding picks outside the 1st round, maybe limited to bottom 8 teams only? not sure of what an equitable solution would be, but it's the smaller worry imo of all the issues surrounding the draft

 

[Tasmanian saint]

lol no he wouldn’t of, he played for Southport and broadbeach

 

[Chip Scab1]

Really!?! First I'm hearing of this!

0x Premiership Player, Nick Blakey has a love ring to it.

A genuinely disgraceful human being who got what he deserved.