Analysis St Kilda - List Analysis 2023

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With Bonner’s arrival completing St Kilda’s list for Season 2024 there is no room for Dan McKemzie.
Dan did everything possible to get his body right, receiving specialised medical advice and treatment during the off-season, however given the unexpected availability of late draft picks, talent on the board to bolster our list for the future and the addition of Riley, our list has unfortunately reached capacity.

Meaning there are more spots on the list.

9 players went off the list and 9 were added to it.

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plus Dow and Henry

At the moment you can have between 36 and 38 primary listed players. You can have four-to-six category A traditional rookies and you can have two category B rookies for a maximum of 44 players.
 
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So does that mean our list is completely full?
No more space on the primary list and no more rookie space?
Anyone know for sure?
 

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A busy draft has seen St Kilda officially axe luckless wingman Daniel McKenzie, with the club unable to find a list spot for him even across the pre-season.

McKenzie was set to train with the club over the summer with a view to re-signing him during the pre-season supplemental selection period.

But that spot on the list is no longer available after the Saints selected six players this week, including ex-Port Adelaide defender Riley Bonner in the pre-season draft.

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DEFENCE

Key Defenders

Callum Wilke (27) 191
Dougal Howard (27) 199
Zaine Cordy (26) 195
Tom Highmore (25) 193 Delisted
Josh Battle (24) 193
Oscar Adams (20) 197 Delisted
James Van Es (19) 196
Arie Schoenmaker (18) 194

Medium Defenders

Jimmy Webster (30) 188
Riley Bonner (26) 190
Ben Paton (24) 187
Nick Coffield (24) 191 – Traded (Western Bulldogs)
Liam Stocker (23) 184
Angus McLennan (20) 188

Offensive Defenders / Outside Mid

Jack Sinclair (28) 181
Hunter Clark (24) 186
Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera (20) 187
Angus Hastie (18) 190


MIDFIELD

Inside Mids

Seb Ross (29) 187
Brad Crouch (29) 186
Zak Jones (28) 182
Jack Steele (27) 187
Paddy Dow (24) 184
Jack Bytel (23) 189 - Delisted
Marcus Windhager (19) 185
Hugo Garcia (18) 185

Outside Mids/Forwards

Mason Wood (29) 192
Brad Hill (29) 182
Jade Gresham (26) 177 – Traded (Essendon)
Daniel McKenzie (26) 184 Delisted
Leo Connolly (22) 181 Delisted
Liam Henry (22) 180
Ryan Byrnes (21) 181
Olli Hotton (19) 181
Darcy Wilson (18) 185


RUCK

Rowan Marshall (27) 201
Tom Campbell (31) 201
Max Heath (20) 204


FORWARDS

Key Forwards

Jack Hayes (27) 194
Max King (23) 202
Cooper Sharman (23) 193
Matthew Allison (21) 195
Anthony Caminiti (19) 196
Isaac Keeler (19) 198

Medium Forwards

Tim Membrey (29) 188
Jack Billings (28) 185 – Traded (Melbourne)
Mitch Owens (20) 191
Mattaes Phillipou (19) 190

Small Forwards

Dan Butler (27) 182
Jack Higgins (24) 178
Jack Peris (20) 178 Delisted (Gold Coast)
Lance Collard (18) 185


Undefined

Liam O'Connell (Cat B)
 
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StCicatriz said:
this is the part that worries me:
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of that list... the ones we are in red time on are:
  • ross
  • webster
  • hill
  • wood
  • crouch
  • sinclair

all of them were part of our best 22 this year. significantly 5 of them are a big part of our midfield or atleast run through there.

the hope would be that because wood and hill are outside players they could stick around into their 30s. sinclair same deal off HBF.

but we really need to be finding replacements.
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Every team has 5/6 players in this range they are keeping an eye on, so I wouldn't be too worried.

We do have a big crop of 26-28 underneath them that will creep up to 30 before we know it, so we need to keep pumping youth while having a solid veteran core.

I think that Sinclair can age like a far more talented Zach Touhy, and Hill and Wood have a few good years left. Crouch is a big concern as he's our most prolific mid at the moment.
 
Kildonan said:
DEFENCE

Key Defenders

Callum Wilke (27) 191
Dougal Howard (27) 199
Zaine Cordy (26) 195
Tom Highmore (25) 193 Delisted
Josh Battle (24) 193
Oscar Adams (20) 197 Delisted
James Van Es (19) 196
Arie Schoenmaker (18) 194

Medium Defenders

Jimmy Webster (30) 188
Riley Bonner (26) 190
Ben Paton (24) 187
Nick Coffield (24) 191 – Traded (Western Bulldogs)
Liam Stocker (23) 184
Angus McLennan (20) 188

Offensive Defenders / Outside Mid

Jack Sinclair (28) 181
Hunter Clark (24) 186
Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera (20) 187
Angus Hastie (18) 190


MIDFIELD

Inside Mids

Seb Ross (29) 187
Brad Crouch (29) 186
Zak Jones (28) 182
Jack Steele (27) 187
Paddy Dow (24) 184
Jack Bytel (23) 189 - Delisted
Marcus Windhager (19) 185
Hugo Garcia (18) 185

Outside Mids/Forwards

Mason Wood (29) 192
Brad Hill (29) 182
Jade Gresham (26) 177 – Traded (Essendon)
Daniel McKenzie (26) 184 Delisted
Leo Connolly (22) 181 Delisted
Liam Henry (22) 180
Ryan Byrnes (21) 181
Olli Hotton (19) 181
Darcy Wilson (18) 185


RUCK

Rowan Marshall (27) 201
Tom Campbell (31) 201
Max Heath (20) 204


FORWARDS

Key Forwards

Jack Hayes (27) 194
Max King (23) 202
Cooper Sharman (23) 193
Matthew Allison (21) 195
Anthony Caminiti (19) 196
Isaac Keeler (19) 198

Medium Forwards

Tim Membrey (29) 188
Jack Billings (28) 185 – Traded (Melbourne)
Mitch Owens (20) 191
Mattaes Phillipou (19) 190

Small Forwards

Dan Butler (27) 182
Jack Higgins (24) 178
Jack Peris (20) 178 Delisted (Gold Coast)
Lance Collard (18) 185


Undefined

Liam O'Connell (Cat B)
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O’Connell likely an offensive defender
 
SteeleSaints said:
Again think bigger picture picks that can be on traded to clubs who want draft POINTS. Look at how the Bulldogs, GCS and Hawthorn traded out their mid tier picks for points this year. The same will occur next year, we just have to be ready

Depending on how they go next year - Clark, Byrnes, Paton, McKenzie, Jones even Hayes. If we can bring in another key defender possibly Howard.
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The 23 I'd love to see:

FB: Stocker, Howard, Wilkie
HB: Windhager, Battle, NWM
R: Marshall, Crouch, Steele
C: Wood, Sinclair, Hill
HF: Owens, King, Henry
FF: Butler, Caminiti, Higgins
IC: Phillipou, Sharman, Ross, Dow (Wilson)

  • A few hard calls - Bonner and Clark in particular - but injury should provide opportunity
  • Crouch Steele Sinclair rotate with Owens, Dow, Phillipou as second string CBAs - that's our future right there
  • Ross I think still adds value, but needs to be moved to role player, and transitioned out of CBAs
  • Stocker, Windhager, Henry probably the three with the biggest question marks, and can see some rotation here if injuries don't provide opportunity for others (pending form)
 
SteeleSaints said:
Sorry your point is?

We already witnessed how a bunch a 3rd round picks can benefit us at this years draft. Unless the AFL change the points system in their review the same will occur next year.
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Dmac has been delisted.
Jones is not going to get you a third either will Paton or Byrnes , Hayes has played one decent game in his life and is limited plus always injured.
Clark is the only one that would have any value and he may get us a late second if he can stay on the park this year , i just think you are massively overrating the ones you named.
 

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Significant said:
The 23 I'd love to see:

FB: Stocker, Howard, Wilkie
HB: Windhager, Battle, NWM
R: Marshall, Crouch, Steele
C: Wood, Sinclair, Hill
HF: Owens, King, Henry
FF: Butler, Caminiti, Higgins
IC: Phillipou, Sharman, Ross, Dow (Wilson)

  • A few hard calls - Bonner and Clark in particular - but injury should provide opportunity
  • Crouch Steele Sinclair rotate with Owens, Dow, Phillipou as second string CBAs - that's our future right there
  • Ross I think still adds value, but needs to be moved to role player, and transitioned out of CBAs
  • Stocker, Windhager, Henry probably the three with the biggest question marks, and can see some rotation here if injuries don't provide opportunity for others (pending form)
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What's the question mark with windy , your post is pretty vague
 
Significant said:
The 23 I'd love to see:

FB: Stocker, Howard, Wilkie
HB: Windhager, Battle, NWM
R: Marshall, Crouch, Steele
C: Wood, Sinclair, Hill
HF: Owens, King, Henry
FF: Butler, Caminiti, Higgins
IC: Phillipou, Sharman, Ross, Dow (Wilson)

  • A few hard calls - Bonner and Clark in particular - but injury should provide opportunity
  • Crouch Steele Sinclair rotate with Owens, Dow, Phillipou as second string CBAs - that's our future right there
  • Ross I think still adds value, but needs to be moved to role player, and transitioned out of CBAs
  • Stocker, Windhager, Henry probably the three with the biggest question marks, and can see some rotation here if injuries don't provide opportunity for others (pending form)
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I think Coops might get a regular game- looked OK in our final compared to a few others and will improve further I think under Lyon.
 
CaptainRisky said:
What's the question mark with windy , your post is pretty vague
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Just that I don't see him as a locked in member of our Seniors, form dependent. If he can cement himself that would be great, but others are locked in given their experience (age), performance or importance to structure.
 
Significant said:
Just that I don't see him as a locked in member of our Seniors, form dependent. If he can cement himself that would be great, but others are locked in given their experience (age), performance or importance to structure.
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I cant see him spending any time at Sandy
 
I tend to agree with you both, hence he is in my ideal 23, but I think he isn't locked in. If others perform and he doesn't, I think the question would be asked. Appears to have hit preseason running though, which makes a difference with Ross.
 
Kildonan said:
MIDFIELD

Inside Mids

Seb Ross (29) 187
Brad Crouch (29) 186
Zak Jones (28) 182
Jack Steele (27) 187
Paddy Dow (24) 184
Jack Bytel (23) 189 - Delisted
Marcus Windhager (19) 185
Hugo Garcia (18) 185
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This is the part of the list that concerns me, quite one-paced and short. Would've really liked Charlie Edwards - this draft was light on taller midfielders
 
CaptainRisky said:
Dmac has been delisted.
Jones is not going to get you a third either will Paton or Byrnes , Hayes has played one decent game in his life and is limited plus always injured.
Clark is the only one that would have any value and he may get us a late second if he can stay on the park this year , i just think you are massively overrating the ones you named.
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If you have a look DMac was being invited to train when I posted that. I am quite positive about our list moving forward particularly if we play finals again, it lifts the finge players value. Perhaps the reality is somewhere in the middle as you seem very negative about our fringe players.
 
What I hope we’re aiming for round 1.

St.Kilda Saints

Wilkie. Howard. Clark.
NWM. Battle. Sinclair.
Hill. Steele. Wood.
Phillipou. Sharman. Butler.
Higgins. King. Membrey.
Marshall. Owens. Windhager.

Henry. Dow. Crouch. Hayes. (Byrnes)


Sandringham Zebras

Webster. Cordy. Shoenmaker.
Hastie. Van Es. Stocker.
Paton. Wilson. Bonner.
Hotton. Caminiti. Collard.
Garcia. Allison. Keeler.
Heath. Jones. Ross.

O’Connell. McLennan. Campbell.
 
Obviously the AFL have changed the Cat B list rules, now including them in the total list numbers of 44. You have to wonder now whats the point of having the two rookie list categories?
 
SteeleSaints said:
If you have a look DMac was being invited to train when I posted that. I am quite positive about our list moving forward particularly if we play finals again, it lifts the finge players value. Perhaps the reality is somewhere in the middle as you seem very negative about our fringe players.
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I'm not negative, you just have rose coloured glasses on , I see our fringe players as the new recruits, not blokes that have had plenty of chances
 
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