Opinion #standdowneddie?

[DAWESOME!!]

Eddie hired a man he knew was under investigation for hiding a player from ASADA.
Now a) Is this the kind of person we want running our football department? and b) Is that a good business decision made by our "man in charge"?

Personally, I answer no to both of those questions and therefore... is my rationale.

Happy?

This is just another bad PR/business decision made by Eddie over the past 5 or so years. The man is stale and arrogant beyond words and before you give me the crap spiel... "But Eddie saved the club". Yes, he did, and we will always be indebted to the man but that doesn't mean we need to put him before the club.

How do you know Eddie knew Gubby was under investigation? Hate to think you have got yourself so wound up and launched.a whole thread over something you don't actually know if it's true or not.

 

[wicksy]

How do you know Eddie knew Gubby was under investigation? Hate to think you have got yourself so wound up and launched.a whole thread over something you don't actually know if it's true or not.

As mentioned numerous times in this thread, the club released a presser confirming they knew.

 

[DAWESOME!!]

As mentioned numerous times in this thread, the club released a presser confirming they knew.

They were told there had been an investigation that was now concluded, or being concluded. That's different from remaining under investigation.

What's brought this on tonight out of interest? The Caro piece? Where she slips in at the end of it that the AFL doesn't believe that any ban would be warranted if he was guilty (which Allen denies)?

We did our due diligence when we hired him. A year later, someone, it seems likely to be GWS out of spite, released additional information to try and harm Allen when we promoted him back into a footy role.

 

[Anzacday]

Board meeting yesterday and Gubby told to stand aside until after the investigation - just a rumour I heard.

 

[DAWESOME!!]

As mentioned numerous times in this thread, the club released a presser confirming they knew.

You take the time to use your words in the OP, and I'll try to remember to read the whole thread before I reply. Deal?

 

[Boris the Contradiction]

This is the official club statement on the matter (dated 1st September) ...

http://m.collingwoodfc.com.au/news/2016-09-01/changes-to-football-department-confirmed

"...
In response to recent media reports, the Collingwood Football Club would like to note the following:

The Collingwood Football Club was made aware by Graeme Allan, prior to his recruitment, that he is one of the subjects of an AFL investigation that relates to his time with Greater Western Sydney.

Collingwood was also made aware at this time that both GWS and the AFL had concluded or were concluding separate investigations into the matter.

From our discussions on this matter with various parties, Collingwood found no reason standing in the way of employing Allan.

The club would like to make it very clear to all that if, at any stage, information received about any member of staff that brings into question their behaviour Collingwood will deal with that information with the appropriate authorities.

..."

http://m.collingwoodfc.com.au/news/2016-09-01/changes-to-football-department-confirmed

This statement is poorly worded and very wishy washy - says nothing. Someone is arse covering me thinks.

"Had concluded or were concluding".. Which one is it? Was Gubby himself still being investigated? For what? The statement raises several questions and answers none.

If at the time if his hiring Gubby remained under investigation and the club hired him, then heads should role. If the investigation was concluded and our DD indicated that Gubby had no case to answer, then there's nothing to talk about.

 

[BPikkers]

Must admit I haven't felt this flat about our club as a whole for a very long time...We can only hope 2017 surprises us all in an exciting way.

You should change your name to 'Into the Woods'

 

[barrackers]

So at a time the club may be facing a lack of off field leadership or at least potentially lose one of it's more important persons we should cast aside someone with serious clout; makes sense.

This place is making me feel like a Richmond supporter... sack this person, sack that person.

 

[vjknight]

In these days of club and league cover-up, it is very difficult to believe anything any player, club or the AFL put out for public consumption.

 

[wicksy]

You take the time to use your words in the OP, and I'll try to remember to read the whole thread before I reply. Deal?

I've edited it for your viewing pleasure.

 

[PicaBoo]

How very convenient....

What a crock of shit. There's proof that they conspired to hide the kid away and Eddie would have known this.
In other words, because there was going to be no blow back, we were still happy to hire a guy who blatantly condoned drug use and in the current climate, this is unforgivable.

Now there is blow back and the person who hired the man should be held accountable.

It's how it would work at any organisation.

By your measure, everyone in favor of Dane Swan should be marched out of the door. Will be a pretty empty Holden Center.
And to throw a curve ball, who says that the ban doesn't work in our favor?
Eddie sends his personal wrecking ball on a mission: Go all out while he can still be in charge . By the time Allen is banned , the club has been cleansed and there will be no possibility of frictions going forward with him removed. Disposable Hero

 

[wicksy]

So at a time the club may be facing a lack of off field leadership or at least potentially lose one of it's more important persons we should cast aside someone with serious clout; makes sense.

This place is making me feel like a Richmond supporter... sack this person, sack that person.

Yeah. . . . Or we could just continue to be a rabble because nobody had the nuts to make a change.

 

[left at home]

In these days of club and league cover-up, it is very difficult to believe anything any player, club or the AFL put out for public consumption.

these days you say, the league and clubs have been covering stuff ever since l can remember, just it was very rare to hear about it unlike today

 

[wicksy]

By your measure, everyone in favor of Dane Swan should be marched out of the door. Will be a pretty empty Holden Center.
And to throw a curve ball, who says that the ban doesn't work in our favor?
Eddie sends his personal wrecking ball on a mission: Go all out while he can still be in charge . By the time Allen is banned , the club has been cleansed and there will be no possibility of frictions going forward with him removed. Disposable Hero

It's just ironic that our CEO is the biggest anti drug campaigner in the sport yet allows a senior member of the football fraternity, who is currently being investigated for attempting to hide a player suspected of drug cheating into the highest position in our football department. It boggles the mind!

 

[barrackers]

Yeah. . . . Or we could just continue to be a rabble because nobody had the nuts to make a change.

I would have thought replacing Balme with Allen, restructuring our football department, getting rid of 2 assistant coaches, apparently clearing out our welfare department, getting rid of leading teams, getting rid of Hendy and letting go experienced players were changes and also an acknowledgement that change was needed both on and off the field.

Maybe this will instead sort the joint out?

 

[TW Sherrin]

He knew Gubby was under investigation and hired anyway . . . . Shafted Balme, a good football person.

Gubby will get banned. That's on Ed.

agree Balmey appears to be a loveable bloke but we don't need loveable atm. we need ruthless so 3 - 4 months of Allan is better than continuing down the road we were on.

 

[TW Sherrin]

It's just ironic that our CEO is the biggest anti drug campaigner in the sport yet allows a senior member of the football fraternity, who is currently being investigated for attempting to hide a player suspected of drug cheating into the highest position in our football department. It boggles the mind!

if your hashtag was #sackpert I'd be there with bells on.

 

[CFC2010]

It's just ironic that our CEO is the biggest anti drug campaigner in the sport yet allows a senior member of the football fraternity, who is currently being investigated for attempting to hide a player suspected of drug cheating into the highest position in our football department. It boggles the mind!

The irony for me is our team has been shite since our CEO took on that anti drug campaign. Coincidence?

 

[Obese Arachnid]

I think he's referring to the debacle around Cory Gault's future?

No, it's because we haven't signed Ol Grimey yet.

 

[Parallel Andy]

I do feel a bit for wicksy. He's been targeted since the first post. Truth is he is ultimately correct in what he is saying. The club statement shows that they were prepared to roll the dice and to deal with the consequences. The same people who are prepared to look past this blunder (and it is a blunder) wouldn't excuse it if it was...lets say Essendon making such a decision. I think this is my first post for several years. Awaiting the backlash. Hahaha.

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[noideaatall]

This latest debacle is massive.....
He knew Gubby was under investigation and hired anyway and in the process, shafted Balme.
It now looks likely that Gubby will get banned which is on Ed.
Is it time we look at alternatives?
EDIT: For context.

I assume the decision to hire G.A. involved the board as a whole, not just Eddie. Least I hope it works that way, wouldn't like to think they are just there for show. I can only assume there is more to this story than we know because it just isn't a good look to hire a guy these sort of issues in the background. We need to give this time to play out.

I would love to see Eddie set a date to retire. Good for the pies, good for his legacy. May not play out that way.

 

[jerry springer]

wicksy however you feel, whatever the rights or wrongs of the great gubbyness conundrum, Ed won't ever resign, retire, remove himself.

Whether Ed is right or wrong, he sees himself and Collingwood entwined, and he defines himself as Collingwood. This is just my opinion.

This to me is a separate issue. But unless there is a challenge, a new board, Ed ain't going anywhere. Won't happen.

Should our Club be captive to any one person, now that is another entirely different question? There was Collingwood before Ed, there was Collingwood during a Eds time, there will be Collingwood long after Ed leaves this mortal coil.

I also think Ed did not save Collingwood, he he was very important, vibrant, did a lot of good things but its mythology he saved the Club. The AFL would never ever have allowed Collingwood to sink, we are too much of a cash cow to become Fitzroy. Too many supporters for the AFL to allow us to disband. Imagine junking a generation of your biggest fan base? Was not going to happen.
Yes Ed played a vital role, but our huge numbers ensured our survival. Moot point anyway.

How long is too long? That's a fair debate.

Doubt this is the issue to get worked up over, Gubby here or Gubby gone well still be fronting up week 1 v Bulldogs. And Ed will still be the head honcho.

some very good points

Ed has done some very good things for this club that we will forever be in debt and thankful for

however its getting pretty clear as time goes on that he might of gone on a season or 2, too many. it is time for him to start a succession plan. give us a 3,5 or 10 year plan of where he wants us to be and move on because at the moment I'm confused if we are a football club anymore or just a brand.

 

[Tazzaye]

Good luck finding a better replacement

 

[left at home]

l dont know whats going on behind the scenes,, but all the noise indicated that it was minor
and may have been when the club asked the afl, and the afl saw it that way as well.
so since then the goal posts have changed with new info. and that could be the problem.
l dont know really just guessing like most

 

[Saintly Viewed]

some very good points

Ed has done some very good things for this club that we will forever be in debt and thankful for

however its getting pretty clear as time goes on that he might of gone on a season or 2, too many. it is time for him to start a succession plan. give us a 3,5 or 10 year plan of where he wants us to be and move on because at the moment I'm confused if we are a football club anymore or just a brand.

How's the net ball team? The women's football team?
And we have a Holden centre, apparently that helps too