Opinion #standdowneddie?

[Temploar]

must say it was quite enjoyable filling in the membership survey. it is good to let them know what you actually think of the on and off field performances.

Do they actually listen though?

After the way the last 5 years has panned out... I'm not sure if they do.

 

[Boris the Contradiction]

Some might say that that makes it a good statement?



Are there any other possible reasons to release a statement?



I took that to mean that one had concluded (eg: GWS) and the other was concluding (eg: AFL, or vice versa)



The statement does clearly address that one in the second line ...

"The Collingwood Football Club was made aware by Graeme Allan, prior to his recruitment, that he is one of the subjects of an AFL investigation that relates to his time with Greater Western Sydney."



It's not the club's place to publicise allegations or any details of an investigation that it has nothing to do with.

Further, if it did so, there is a real risk that some of folks reading it not being able to tell the difference between "Gubby allegedly held up a bank" and "Gubby held up a bank". The very existence of this thread is evidence of that.



I don't think it's so black and white. If ASADA , the AFL and the anti-terrorist unit all reported tomorrow that they've been actively investigating this over the last 18 months, and had now concluded that there is no case to answer, do you think heads should roll?



DD?

Wow. You really went to some effort to dissect that post.

The club decided to make a statement when they didn't have to. Having done so, I think it would have been better to be a little clearer. The statement itself was pointless.

You make a statement because you have something to say.

 

[Buckley is my hero]

Consider for a moment that it was another club in this position. We would be laughing at the incompetence displayed by such club. When the Essendon fiasco commenced we were (correct me if i am wrong in my recollection) pretty unified in thinking that there was a significant lack of governance displayed by the Essendon board and senior management team. Albeit this is an external issue the notion of governance and good management procedure is still applicable in the appointment of effectively the highest role in the football department (therefore the club given football is what we do apparently). There is an abject failure in this instance and the magnitude is such (even without Gubby being found guilty and getting a suspension - which in viewing my taro cards will happen) that i want to hear Eddie and Gary's "mea culpa". Is it possible for us to have a pre season where we are not dragged into the mire by those that are empowered to improve the club on our behalf ?

Everybody agrees that there was lack of governance at the Essendon FC and they deserved to be punished, but the reaction of the AFL and ASADA was so over the top in my view, that it has made scapegoats of the Essendon players and denied natural justice to many of the officials at Essendon. This seems to be the way AFL footy is going these days to lynch players and officials for what could be innocent mistakes. I'm still waiting for an explanation how Keeffe and Thomas obtained a competitive advantage by taking laced illicit drugs at the St Kilda festival. Now it's time for Gubby Allan to walk the plank before he has his chance to give his side of the story.

 

[MagpieJoel]

Do they actually listen though?

Of course they listen all the keyboard/armchair experts that give them a dressing down.

 

[wicksy]

Of course they listen all the keyboard/armchair experts that give them a dressing down.

Also known as the shareholders, the membership holders, the people who fill the stands and pass on "the word of Collingwood" to future generations.
I'm not sure we should be so blase about what these experts are saying.

You clearly have your opinion on the matter and are happy with the current state of our football club. I pity you.

 

[The Dawes]

must say it was quite enjoyable filling in the membership survey. it is good to let them know what you actually think of the on and off field performances.

it does promote the perception among fans that the club is listening to them and values their feedback.

Whether they actually act of any of the information collected might be another matter.

 

[jdpie]

Also known as the shareholders, the membership holders, the people who fill the stands and pass on "the word of Collingwood" to future generations.
I'm not sure we should be so blase about what these experts are saying.

You clearly have your opinion on the matter and are happy with the current state of our football club. I pity you.

Wicksy, other than the slightly choreographed membership forum have you ever been approached by the club (as a "shareholder") to partake in a discussion regarding your thoughts about the club ?
I do find it peculiar that i have not come across any member that has been vox popped in direct fashion. I have 9 Legends memberships (extended family) and have been a member at this level since its inception and yet i have not in my in excess of 20 years had an approach from the club to have a "discussion". I struggle to come to terms with this. I did, for the first time this year email the club through a relatively senior employee in there, about some concerns i had about where the club i love was heading. I did receive an email from Gary in reply but it was lacking in sincerity and more of a cliched response. Slightly disappointing considering the reasonably rational manner in which i stated the concerns.
We are told our voice matters but i am more and more certain that it is not heard. I invite any senior decision maker to come into the stands and immerse themselves in conversation with the members and supporters, i think the conversations may differ from their expectation. There is a disconnect between their reality and ours.

 

[Apex36]

In these days of club and league cover-up, it is very difficult to believe anything any player, club or the AFL put out for public consumption.

So what was the bet and who did you lose it to?

 

[76woodenspooners]

You sound like half the Essendon twits that banged on about Hird's innocence until the day he was executed even though the evidence was stacked.
Seriously expected better from you to be honest.

The Essendon folks had their day / days / weeks / months in court / courts. By contrast Gubby hasn't even been told he has a case to answer!

For the Essendon folks there was published evidence in the public domain that the punters could use to make up their own mind (largely the cache of evidence that was released by the AFL at the end of their investigation). By contrast with this GWS issue, there is no evidence in the public domain, just a few opinion pieces in the media with the word "allegedly" sprinkled around in them.

Sure, there is huge kudos saying "See, I was the first to say Eddie should be sacked". And you may very well end up being right. You may very well end up being wrong too.

I just prefer to keep my powder dry until it's needed.

 

[76woodenspooners]

Wicksy, other than the slightly choreographed membership forum have you ever been approached by the club (as a "shareholder") to partake in a discussion regarding your thoughts about the club ?
I do find it peculiar that i have not come across any member that has been vox popped in direct fashion. I have 9 Legends memberships (extended family) and have been a member at this level since its inception and yet i have not in my in excess of 20 years had an approach from the club to have a "discussion". I struggle to come to terms with this. I did, for the first time this year email the club through a relatively senior employee in there, about some concerns i had about where the club i love was heading. I did receive an email from Gary in reply but it was lacking in sincerity and more of a cliched response. Slightly disappointing considering the reasonably rational manner in which i stated the concerns.
We are told our voice matters but i am more and more certain that it is not heard. I invite any senior decision maker to come into the stands and immerse themselves in conversation with the members and supporters, i think the conversations may differ from their expectation. There is a disconnect between their reality and ours.

If you are a member, you should have received an email from the club as recently as yesterday asking for your opinion in a survey.

I haven't filled it out myself yet, but in my experience of the club sending these out every year they do provide freeform text entry to allow you to air any concerns or grievances you have.

 

[MagpieJoel]

Also known as the shareholders, the membership holders, the people who fill the stands and pass on "the word of Collingwood" to future generations.
I'm not sure we should be so blase about what these experts are saying.

You clearly have your opinion on the matter and are happy with the current state of our football club. I pity you.

You are no expert. I'm no expert. We are just fans. Fans with an opinion.

My opinion is that too many people react too quickly to media reports and grasp at the negatives too quickly. Give time for things to settle, then judge. What you have done is ask Eddie to stand down before any judgement has been made. What you had done is come to a conclusion before I believe it is fair to do so.

I'm not happy with our "current state", but Eddie has runs on the board as President. I won't be jumping off as quickly as others have done. I don't assume to know all the machinations of what has occurred, so I won't be judging anyone at the club just yet.

 

[jdpie]

If you are a member, you should have received an email from the club as recently as yesterday asking for your opinion in a survey.

I haven't filled it out myself yet, but in my experience of the club sending these out every year they do provide freeform text entry to allow you to air any concerns or grievances you have.

Thanks for this and yes i have received the email. Historically i have taken the 25 - 30 minutes to fill it out. I just do not see that what article of clothing we receive with our membership, what additional membership benefits / discounts we get, will i go to a netball game, do i like the LED advertising etc has an impact on where the club is and where it is heading. I will do it again just for the exercise. We need some human interaction at a level more personal than the forum and a periodic email (and not phone calls asking me to buy $200 a ticket raffles). I am someone who has put my money where my mouth is for over 2 decades (and expected nothing in return). We are not the quiet majority for much longer.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

I know everyone is piling on you wicksy but I'm with you man. Ed's time is up, but it was up well before this season.

 

[wicksy]

I know everyone is piling on you wicksy but I'm with you man. Ed's time is up, but it was up well before this season.

People hate change... I'm not taking anything personally... I do think the conversation had to be had.
The general consensus is that it's an overreaction based on one event but the fact is, this is another mistake in a LONG list of mistakes made by the man in charge. Everyone else's heads are rolling except his and I think it's time to at least ask the question... Could a fresh face do better?

 

[wicksy]

You are no expert. I'm no expert. We are just fans. Fans with an opinion.

My opinion is that too many people react too quickly to media reports and grasp at the negatives too quickly. Give time for things to settle, then judge. What you have done is ask Eddie to stand down before any judgement has been made. What you had done is come to a conclusion before I believe it is fair to do so.

I'm not happy with our "current state", but Eddie has runs on the board as President. I won't be jumping off as quickly as others have done. I don't assume to know all the machinations of what has occurred, so I won't be judging anyone at the club just yet.

I never asked him to stand down.... I merely posed the question about whether it's time we should look at our options.

Is it time we look at alternatives?

 

[76woodenspooners]

I know everyone is piling on you wicksy but I'm with you man.

Ed standing down over the Gubby issue is one thing.

Ed's time being up is a whole new kettle of clownfish.

I'd encourage anybody who reckons they can run the club better than Ed, to call up the club ASAP and ask to speak to the returning officer of the upcoming AGM, and throw their hat into the ring.

Ed's time is up, but it was up well before this season.

No, please don't leave us

 

[wicksy]

The Essendon folks had their day / days / weeks / months in court / courts. By contrast Gubby hasn't even been told he has a case to answer!

For the Essendon folks there was published evidence in the public domain that the punters could use to make up their own mind (largely the cache of evidence that was released by the AFL at the end of their investigation). By contrast with this GWS issue, there is no evidence in the public domain, just a few opinion pieces in the media with the word "allegedly" sprinkled around in them.

Sure, there is huge kudos saying "See, I was the first to say Eddie should be sacked". And you may very well end up being right. You may very well end up being wrong too.

I just prefer to keep my powder dry until it's needed.

I'm not in this for "Kudos" so let's just ignore that statement.
I am a big believer that where there's smoke there's fire and there is no debate around the fact that Eddie hired a man, while under investigation by ASADA and the AFL, and it's now starting to impact the reputation of our club.

Adam Goodes
Jessica Rowe "boning"
Drowning Caroline Wilson
Hiring a man under investigation by ASADA at a time where drugs in sport is blinding

I don't even care if Gubby is found "innocent"... The fact we've been dragged into the sh@# again by our president is enough to warrant this thread in my opinion.

 

[left at home]

we should be asking ourselves as a club at all levels is there any one better that can do the job.
from the prez down. but to replace there has to be a person suitable and more importantly available at the time
l think you can have a person in their job to long and eddie time is nearly up, but not yet

 

[wicksy]

Ed standing down over the Gubby issue is one thing.

Ed's time being up is a whole new kettle of clownfish.

I'd encourage anybody who reckons they can run the club better than Ed, to call up the club ASAP and ask to speak to the returning officer of the upcoming AGM, and throw their hat into the ring.



No, please don't leave us

Does there need to be another "Adam Goodes" event for us to question his time as president?
Why shouldn't it be the accumulation of f@#$ ups that he's overseen.

I'm starting to wonder if you're on the payroll to be honest.
Usually such an astute poster, able to see 360 degrees on most topics, you seem to be taking this personally.

 

[MagpieJoel]

I never asked him to stand down.... I merely posed the question about whether it's time we should look at our options.

The title of the thread is #standdowneddie. That's pretty suggestive to me.

 

[wicksy]

The title of the thread is #standdowneddie. That's pretty suggestive to me.

Was a mock of the "StandbyHird" hash tag and potentially should have had a question mark at the end of it.
Regardless, this is a discussion forum and I believe it's generated some pretty good discussion regardless of which side you take.

Are you happy with the club being dragged into the sh@# again by our president?
Do you think any other club's president (save for Koshy) would have made such a poor decision?
Is Eddie's head a little too fat with power lately?

 

[jackcass]

He knew Gubby was under investigation and hired anyway . . . . Shafted Balme, a good football person.

Gubby will get banned. That's on Ed.

Wasn't this a board appointment?

 

[jdpie]

Wasn't this a board appointment?

Unfortunately i think there is a fair chance that the perception is that the Board acquiesce to Eddies whims. This would be even more so in relation to Football related issues. Do we have an "Andy Gowers" on our board ? At Hawthorn there has, for the period of their sustained success, been a board member who has direct knowledge and active participation in the running of the footy department. The filtering of football information to the board is through this individual. My knowledge of the Pies structure is that Eddie and Gary have significant dabbling of fingers in the football pie (so to speak). Maybe this is a change that can happen sooner rather than later (if not already in place) ?

 

[Maggie5]

Can't see any of the above challenging. Didn't Craig Kelly think of challenging at one stage?
I actually thought he was a board member.

 

[Chameleon75]

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Can't see any of the above challenging. Didn't Craig Kelly think of challenging at one stage?
I actually thought he was a board member.

Was Eddie a board member when he challenged?