Stats for an allrounder

[raiderman00]

Name Mat O M R W Ave Best 5w SR Econ

Harvey 43 345 18 1626 47 34.59 4-28 1 44.1 4.70

Symonds 54 287 5 1414 44 32.14 4-11 2 39.1 4.92

Watson 23 136 8 632 18 35.11 3-27 45.6 4.61

Hogg 15 121 5 559 15 37.26 3-37 48.4 4.61

There one day international figures for bowling.
Now batting Figures for ODI

Name Mat I NO Runs HS Ave SR 100 50 Ct St

Harvey 43 32 8 429 47* 17.87 85.80 - - 13 -

Hogg 15 10 6 127 71* 31.75 85.23 - 1 3 -

Symond 54 38 6 762 68* 23.81 96.21 - 2 23 -

Watson 23 15 7 288 77* 36.00 67.76 - 1 6 -

 

[ScouseCat]

Ian Harvey will be more suited on the South African pitches then either Brad Hogg or Andrew Symonds but his batting needs improvement. Brad Hogg could play if the pitches are turning more whereas Andrew Symonds will struggle to get a game when Darren Lehmann returns, although his fielding is better then both Harvey or Hogg.

 

[Gandalf]

Originally posted by ScouseCat
Ian Harvey will be more suited on the South African pitches then either Brad Hogg or Andrew Symonds but his batting needs improvement. Brad Hogg could play if the pitches are turning more whereas Andrew Symonds will struggle to get a game when Darren Lehmann returns, although his fielding is better then both Harvey or Hogg.

Your kidding right???

Harvey is a dud plain and simple, he can't bat and he can't bowl.

I'd rate Hogg as good a fielder than Symonds.

Anyway when was the last time Harvey made a 71 for Australia in a pressure cooker match of a final in 40 degrees heat when his side really needs it? When was the last time he bambozzled thhe opposition with his bowling?

 

[Ghostwriter]

Originally posted by Gandalf
Your kidding right???

Harvey is a dud plain and simple, he can't bat and he can't bowl.

But can he throw?

 

[Zombie]

Originally posted by Gandalf

Anyway when was the last time Harvey made a 71 for Australia in a pressure cooker match of a final in 40 degrees heat when his side really needs it? When was the last time he bambozzled thhe opposition with his bowling?

How many times has Hogg score 50+ in any first class One Dayers? 3, Harvey? 19.

How many times has Hogg taken 4+ wickets in any first class One Dayers? 1, Harvey? 22.

That's right, 22, that's 4 more than Shane Warne and 5 more than Glenn McGrath.

 

[wagstaff]

Originally posted by Zombie
How many times has Hogg score 50+ in any first class One Dayers? 3, Harvey? 19.

How many times has Hogg taken 4+ wickets in any first class One Dayers? 1, Harvey? 22.

That's right, 22, that's 4 more than Shane Warne and 5 more than Glenn McGrath.

A classic case of meaningless stats if I've ever seen one. You've failed to include the fact that Ian Harvey has played 199 domestic one-dayers, as opposed to just 85 from Brad Hogg, so Ian Harvey would have a significant statistical advantage.

Also, Harvey has played a large proportion of these matches in English county cricket for Gloustershire, and it would be fair to say that the standard in that competition is well below that of Australian domestic one-day cricket.

 

[DaveW]

Originally posted by Zombie
How many times has Hogg score 50+ in any first class One Dayers? 3, Harvey? 19.

How many times has Hogg taken 4+ wickets in any first class One Dayers? 1, Harvey? 22.

That's right, 22, that's 4 more than Shane Warne and 5 more than Glenn McGrath.

Well first of all 'first class one dayers' is a bit of an oxymoron (but I know what you mean), and secondly are we supposed to be impressed by a multitude of wickets for Gloucestershire in the substandard english one-day leagues?

 

[lamby29]

He is a gun for Victoria, but he hasn't played well enough for Australia.

 

[Zombie]

Originally posted by wagstaff
A classic case of meaningless stats if I've ever seen one. You've failed to include the fact that Ian Harvey has played 199 domestic one-dayers, as opposed to just 85 from Brad Hogg, so Ian Harvey would have a significant statistical advantage.

Don't need to, Hogg is older than Harvey.

Also, Harvey has played a large proportion of these matches in English county cricket for Gloustershire, and it would be fair to say that the standard in that competition is well below that of Australian domestic one-day cricket.

Haha! Since when? I hardly think the likes of Blewett, Arnberger, Fitzgerald, etc are anywhere near the level of the likes of S.Pollock, D.Lehmann, M.Bevan, S.Waugh, N.Knight, M.Trescothick, A.Donald, A.Caddick, etc.

Sure the general talent pool of players wouldn't be as good as the Australian domestic competition but it wouldn't be well below it, especially with all the English domestic international stars.

 

[wagstaff]

Originally posted by Zombie
Don't need to, Hogg is older than Harvey.

Meaningless, as you used a series of stats that favours a players who's played a higher amount of games, and Harvey has played a lot more then Hogg.

Originally posted by Zombie
Haha! Since when? I hardly think the likes of Blewett, Arnberger, Fitzgerald, etc are anywhere near the level of the likes of S.Pollock, D.Lehmann, M.Bevan, S.Waugh, N.Knight, M.Trescothick, A.Donald, A.Caddick, etc.

Sure the general talent pool of players wouldn't be as good as the Australian domestic competition but it wouldn't be well below it, especially with all the English domestic international stars. [/B]

Please provide me with a list of these 'English domestic stars'? Ronnie Irani? Vince Wells? Chris Adams? Certainly, there are some good players in the English county scene but when you consider there are 17 or so teams running around, there's a lot of ordinary players running around and hence, a lot of cheap runs and wickets on offer.

Overall, Ian Harvey's domestic one-day record would be more impressive then Brad Hogg's but Harvey has played over 40 one-dayers for Australia and has failed to impress constantly. I was rather dubious of Brad Hogg's talents, but I'll admit he did well in the VB series and his innings in the 2nd final at the MCG was a better effort then Harvey has ever done at international level.

 

[Zombie]

Originally posted by wagstaff
Meaningless, as you used a series of stats that favours a players who's played a higher amount of games, and Harvey has played a lot more then Hogg.

Hogg is older, he has had more time than Harvey to take more wickets, the fact that Hogg is a poor cricketer and found it hard to get a game at state level is his own fault. Harvey has played more games because he is a better player

Overall, Ian Harvey's domestic one-day record would be more impressive then Brad Hogg's but Harvey has played over 40 one-dayers for Australia and has failed to impress constantly. I was rather dubious of Brad Hogg's talents, but I'll admit he did well in the VB series and his innings in the 2nd final at the MCG was a better effort then Harvey has ever done at international level.

Failed to impress? he has taken more ODI wickets per match than Hogg has and made more ODI runs per match than Hogg has. If he has failed to impress then so must have Hogg.

 

[ScouseCat]

Ian Harvey is a better prospect on the South African pitches then Brad Hogg but I agree that his batting needs to improve. We can't afford to have someone batting at number 7 with an average of only 17.87 as Harvey does at the moment, even with our strong batting order.

 

[larrikin]

Originally posted by Zombie
Haha! Since when? I hardly think the likes of Blewett, Arnberger, Fitzgerald, etc are anywhere near the level of the likes of S.Pollock, D.Lehmann, M.Bevan, S.Waugh, N.Knight, M.Trescothick, A.Donald, A.Caddick, etc.

Sure the general talent pool of players wouldn't be as good as the Australian domestic competition but it wouldn't be well below it, especially with all the English domestic international stars.

Please don't tell me you are trying to suggest that English County Cricket even comes close to the standard of the Australian Domestic Competition.

It's fine Zombie, all you need to say is four words.

"I don't like Hogg."

You don't have to make up stuff to prove it.

 

[Zombie]

Originally posted by larrikin
Please don't tell me you are trying to suggest that English County Cricket even comes close to the standard of the Australian Domestic Competition.

It's fine Zombie, all you need to say is four words.

"I don't like Hogg."

You don't have to make up stuff to prove it.

Who said I don't like him? I think he will make a handy replacement for Warne as a spinner after the World Cup, I just don't think he is what we need as an allrounder in this WC.

 

[larrikin]

Originally posted by Zombie
Who said I don't like him? I think he will make a handy replacement for Warne as a spinner after the World Cup, I just don't think he is what we need as an allrounder in this WC.

Fair enough, I just think he is a much better batsmen than you are giving him credit for.

 

[Catman]

Originally posted by Gandalf
When was the last time he bambozzled thhe opposition with his bowling?

3-2 against Sri Lanka in Adelaide for the Aus A. You can't tell me the Sri Lankans had a clue as to how to cope with his vast range of deliveries. They had no idea.

Whereas they took 75 off Hogg's spell in Sydney, 2 days later.

Both were good pitches, with neither bowling or batting favoured.

But Harvey is a Medium to Fast Bowler, Hogg is a spinner. You really can't compare them.