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red+black said:
I dare say we have never seen anything like this before.

Losing streaks in 2016:

17 - Essendon*
12 - Brisbane
10 - Fremantle, Gold Coast
9 - Carlton*, Fremantle [if they lose to Ade(h), GWS(a), WB(h)]

In R11, we saw Fremantle (10L) v Essendon (8L)
In R19, we saw Essendon (14L) v Brisbane (12L)
In R23, we could see Essendon (19L) v Carlton (10L)
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This topic got a mention in the Football Record recently (Round 17 page 68):-

This season we have had four clubs lose at least 10 matches in a row. Has that ever happened previously?
M . FULTON, VIA EMAIL

CH: This season has produced a unique situation, having so many examples of teams with long losing sequences. Fremantle provided a shock to everyone, losing its first 10 contests, after finishing as minor premier last season. There have been just two years when three clubs lost at least 10 in succession. In 1972, North Melbourne and Geelong each opened the season with 10 losses, before meeting each other at Waverley Park in round 11. The Cats were inspired
by skipper Doug Wade, who booted seven goals, and won by nine points. Ironically, Wade transferred to the Kangaroos in 1973. North Melbourne and the Swans both lost 16 in a row in 1972.

10 OR MORE CONSECUTIVE LOSSES IN A SEASON
SEASON LOSSES CLUB SEQ. FINISHED
1972
16 NM R1-R16 WS
10 Geel R1-R10 10
16 SM R7-R22 11

2012
14 GCS R1-R15 17
10 GWS R18-R19 WS (should be R8-R19)
11 WB R13-R23 15

2016
13 Ess R3- ?
11 Bris R5- ?
10 Frem R1-R10 ?
10 GCS R4-R14 ?
 

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So Essendon break the streak, but did Demspey play?
 

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Leon Davis did not play in the winning grand final of 2010 yet was awarded a premiership medallion. The AFL decided that any player of the premiership team that played in the drawn grand final or victorious replay would receive a medallion. Tyson Goldsack played the replay in place of Leon.
 
Catsace said:
Geelong and the Eagles have played 49 times for a dead-even 24-24-1 record.
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I took inspiration from the post above from the Questions thread to look into team match-ups:

Melbourne v Fitzroy 88-88-3
North Melbourne v Western Bulldogs 77-77-3
West Coast v Geelong 24-24-1
West Coast v Carlton 21-21-0
Port Adelaide v Brisbane Lions 15-15-2 (ie. post-"merger")
Port Adelaide v Western Bulldogs 13-13-0
Essendon v Brisbane Lions 13-13-1 (ie. post-"merger")
Richmond v Gold Coast 3-3-0
St Kilda v GWS Giants 3-3-0
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St Kilda v North Melbourne 77-76-2
West Coast v Collingwood 24-23-1
St Kilda v Brisbane Bears/Lions 22-21-0
Essendon v Adelaide 18-17-0
Carlton v Adelaide 18-17-0
Collingwood v Port Adelaide 14-13-0
 
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(yes, this is all a bit long-winded to point out a couple of rather insignificant observations)

Prior to the introduction of GWS, from 1994 to 2011, teams that won in Round 1 would be in the Top 8 and teams that lost would be in the Bottom 8. From 2012, that has not been the case for one team each year.

Year | Club | Round 1 | Rounds 2-23
\2012|Essendon|9th [102.0%]|19 times in top 8
\2013|Richmond|9th [105.0%]|19 times in top 8
\2014|Gold Coast|9th [126.1%]|13 times in top 8
\2015|Fremantle|9th [110.3%]|22 times in top 8
\2016|Melbourne|9th [102.6%]| 0 times in top 8
2011 is interesting. With 17 teams, at least one team had a bye each week, and in Round 1 that year, it was the new team, Gold Coast. Thus, we effectively had the same situation as previous years, win first up and be in the Top 8. But Melbourne and Sydney drew 11.18-84. The tie-break for Round 1 is by alphabetical order, so Melbourne went 8th while Sydney went 9th. NB: AFL Tables is currently wrong.

So Melbourne will most likely be the first club to not win in R1 yet start in the top 8, and the first team to win in R1 and not be in the top 8 at all during the season.
Year | Club | Win R1? | R1 Top 8? | Rounds 2-23/24
\2011|Melbourne|no| yes |5 times in top 8
\2016|Melbourne|yes|no| 0 times in top 8
 
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St Kilda won't make the finals this year, but their 1997 finals campaign makes for interesting reading, as the Saints' three finals opponents were teams that they had never played a finals game against before.

The Saints played new team the Brisbane Lions in the 1st vs. 8th Qualifying Final, with the Saints having last met Fitzroy in a final in the 1913 Grand Final, and never playing in the same finals series as the Lions in 83 consecutive years after that. St Kilda and the Brisbane Bears had also never played in the same finals series during the Bears' 10 year tenure from 1987 to 1996.

The Preliminary Final between the Saints and Kangaroos was not only the first time St Kilda and North Melbourne had played a final, but the first time there had been a finals series containing both the Saints and Kangaroos.

Likewise, Adelaide's victory over St Kilda in the 1997 Grand Final was the first Crows vs. Saints final, and the first time these teams had been in the same finals series.
 
emuboy said:
St Kilda won't make the finals this year, but their 1997 finals campaign makes for interesting reading, as the Saints' three finals opponents were teams that they had never played a finals game against before.

The Saints played new team the Brisbane Lions in the 1st vs. 8th Qualifying Final, with the Saints having last met Fitzroy in a final in the 1913 Grand Final, and never playing in the same finals series as the Lions in 83 consecutive years after that. St Kilda and the Brisbane Bears had also never played in the same finals series during the Bears' 10 year tenure from 1987 to 1996.

The Preliminary Final between the Saints and Kangaroos was not only the first time St Kilda and North Melbourne had played a final, but the first time there had been a finals series containing both the Saints and Kangaroos.

Likewise, Adelaide's victory over St Kilda in the 1997 Grand Final was the first Crows vs. Saints final, and the first time these teams had been in the same finals series.
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The fact Western Bulldogs had a finals series in 1997 was somewhat fortunate. At the end of round 14 they were a game clear on top of the ladder. By the end of round 18 after four straight losses they were outside the eight. Four consecutive wins then saw them finish the season back in the eight with the double chance.
 

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Coaches in relatively recent times that coached 3+ seasons and had a worse record than Justin Leppitsch (14-50) @ 21.88%:

Peter Rohde (WB, 2002-04): 9-35-1
Graeme Gellie (SK, 1984-86): 10-52
Royce Hart (FO, 1980-82): 8-45

If you can't win 5 games per year over 3 seasons, it's time to go. Leppa's win% is barely half that of Michael Voss who imo was prematurely dumped. I have zero sympathy for a team that was gifted the opportunity to win 3-4 premierships.
 
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iluvparis said:
There appears to be something wrong with the 1910 finals series at AFL tables - how does Carlton get to the GF: http://afltables.com/afl/seas/1910.html
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Back then, the Minor Premier had the right to challenge the winner of the "Preliminary Final", aka the Major Premier.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_VFL_finals_systems

If you look at 1909, Carlton defeated South Melbourne in the "Preliminary Final", then invoked their right to challenge, and won the rematch the following week: http://afltables.com/afl/seas/1909.html#fin
 
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iluvparis, just for you :)

CHALLENGE FINALS (1897-1900, 1902-1930)

In the early days of the VFL, if the Minor Premier lost their Semi Final or Preliminary Final, they had the option to challenge the Major Premier: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_VFL_finals_systems

YEAR | MINOR PREMIER | GRAND FINAL | SF REMATCH | GF REMATCH
\1898|Essendon|lost to Fitzroy||
\1900|Fitzroy|lost to Melbourne||
\1902|Collingwood (1)|defeated Essendon||
\1905|Collingwood|lost to Fitzroy||
\1909|South Melbourne (1)|defeated Carlton||yes
\1910|Carlton|lost to Collingwood||
\1912|South Melbourne|lost to Essendon|yes|
\1913|Fitzroy (1)|defeated St Kilda||yes
\1914|Carlton (1)|defeated South Melbourne||yes
\1915|Collingwood|lost to Carlton||
\1916|Carlton|lost to Fitzroy||yes
\1917|Collingwood (2)|defeated Fitzroy||yes
\1919|Collingwood (3)|defeated Richmond||yes
\1920|Richmond (1)|defeated Collingwood||
\1921|Carlton|lost to Richmond||yes
\1922|Collingwood|lost to Fitzroy|yes|
\1923|Essendon (1)|defeated Fitzroy||
\1925|Geelong (1)|defeated Collingwood||
\1926|Collingwood|lost to Melbourne|yes|
\1929|Collingwood (4)|defeated Richmond|yes|
\1930|Collingwood (5)|defeated Geelong||yes
Observations:
- St Kilda won the 1913 Grand Final, but were challenged by Fitzroy and lost the rematch
- Carlton (1916 and 1921) were the only team to lose a GF rematch
- without the Challenge rule in effect, Collingwood would have 5 less premierships!
 
Essendon's first game of 2014, 2015 and 2016 resulted in the loser scoring 60.

Essendon lost 2 of those games (2015 vs Sydney who scored 72 and 2016 vs Gold Coast who scored 121) while their 2014 game (they scored 99) had North Melbourne lose with the score of 60.
 
With just one round to play in the 2016 SANFL Season, a very rare thing is about to happen for the first time in many years.

West Adelaide sit two games plus percentage clear in last place and assured of the wooden spoon, with the Bloods having won the 2015 premiership (their first since 1983) just 12 months earlier.

At high level football, it is extremely uncommon a team to fall from premiers to wooden spooners in just one year. It has never happened to date in the AFL, the TAC Cup or the NEAFL. It has happened once before in the SANFL, when the Glenelg Tigers fell from premiers to last in 1934-1935. It has happened just once in the WAFL, when 1915 premier the Subiaco Lions fell to last in 1916 (although the movement of players to the armed services might have had some effect on this); and once in the VFA, when the Oakleigh Devils plummeted to last place in 1932 having won the 1930 & 1931 premierships.
 

R1,1991 (1st half) Melbourne (0.0, 0.1) v West Coast (Subiaco) [AWAY]
R23, 1992 (1st half) West Coast* (0.0, 0.2) v Footscray (Western Oval) [AWAY]
R19, 1994 (2nd half) Fitzroy (0.0, 0.2) v West Coast (Western Oval)
R1, 1995 (1st half) Fitzroy (0.0, 0.0) v Essendon (Western Oval)
R13, 1996 (2nd half) Fitzroy (0.1, 0.1) v Geelong (Western Oval)
R14, 2002 (2nd half) West Coast (0.2, 0.0) v Geelong (Kardinia Park) [AWAY]
R15, 2009 (1st half) Fremantle (0.1, 0.0) v Adelaide (Football Park) [AWAY]
R14, 2014 (1st half) Brisbane (0.1, 0.0) v Fremantle (Subiaco) [AWAY]
R22, 2016 (2nd half) Fremantle (0.1, 0.1) v GWS Giants (Sydney Showgrounds) [AWAY]

Thus, excluding Fitzroy, all teams were playing away, and in fact, were interstate.

*also scoreless 3rd quarter (0.2 at 3/4 time). This was the eventual premiership team one round before finals.
 
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BRENT HARVEY
- with Petrie, 3rd most times teammates
- 4th most wins, 3 behind Bruce Doull
- 5th most losses, 4 behind Paul Roos

- R22, now 11th oldest player, passing Michael Tuck
- R23, moves to =1st for most seasons (13) playing 22+ games
- R23, moves to =2nd for most seasons (11) playing every H&A game

- EF, 3rd most games in his 30s (184; Tuck 190, Bradley 195)
- EF, becomes 4th player to play 20 years
- EF, moves to 10th oldest player, passing Teddy Rankin
- EF, plays 12th finals series, =8th most
- EF, plays 24th final, 20 have played >25
- EF, with Firrito, =19th most times teammates

And lastly, EF/SF/PF/GF, after having won every* milestone game including his 1st, 50th, 100th, 150th, 200th, 250th, 300th, 312th (club record games), 350th, 400th, 404th (league record games for #29), 427th (league record games) will most likely lose his last game. NB: he did lose one milestone game (186th, club record games for #29).
 
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