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Connor7395

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Not the most obscure statistic, but Gary Ablett Junior is by FAR the player who played the most games without recording a single hit out in his career.
Brent Harvey: Two hitouts in 432 games.
One was against Essendon in Round 17, 1999, when Carey became the most recent player to kick 10 goals in a losing side. It can be seen here in all its historic glory, all thanks to a terrible bounce: The other one happened in Round 11, 2014 against the Eagles. No full match footage to find it in.
 

North park

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Some clubs have long Premiership droughts heading into the 2021 season:

Melbourne - 57 years (longest in club history, 4th longest in V/AFL history)
St. Kilda - 55 years (2nd longest in club history, 5th longest in V/AFL history)
Fremantle - 27th AFL season - still waiting for first Premiership
Carlton - 26 years (longest in club history)
Adelaide - 23 years (longest in club history)
North Melbourne - 22 years (2nd longest in club history)
Essendon - 21 years (longest in club history)
Brisbane - 18 years (longest in club history)
Port Adelaide - 17 years (longest in club history)
 

iluvparis

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Brent Harvey: Two hitouts in 432 games.
One was against Essendon in Round 17, 1999, when Carey became the most recent player to kick 10 goals in a losing side. It can be seen here in all its historic glory, all thanks to a terrible bounce: The other one happened in Round 11, 2014 against the Eagles. No full match footage to find it in.
No wonder they coughed up the leader playing Matthew Capuano as a loose man in defense.
 

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worbod

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Field umpire Dean Margetts has finished this season with 362 games but has yet to umpire a grand final.


300 games by a field umpire without a grand final appearance:

Justin Schmitt 363 (1997-2018)
Dean Margetts 362 (2002-2020)
Chris Mitchell 341 (1981-2002)
Stuart Wenn 340 (1995-2014)
 

worbod

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In re-watching my DVD box-set of the Western Bulldogs' 2016 finals matches, I heard Bruce McAvaney state that the crowd of 87,823 the Dogs played in front of in the second semi-final versus Hawthorn was the largest crowd to ever see the Bulldogs win a game (a figure which would be superseded two weeks later). The largest crowd ever to watch the Bulldogs occurred at the 1961 grand final, which thus inspired me to research the largest crowd to witness each team play and whether that had resulted in a win or a loss. For the vast majority of teams, it resulted in a loss.

Team
largest crowd to see them play
game
venue
largest crowd to see them win
game
venue
Adelaide
100,021​
grand final, 2017MCG
98,828​
grand final, 1997MCG
Brisbane Bears
66,719​
1st prelim, 1996MCG
33,829​
round 17, 1995Football Park
Brisbane Lions
91,817​
grand final, 2002MCG
SAME​
Carlton
121,696​
grand final, 1970MCG
SAME​
Collingwood
121,696​
grand final, 1970MCG
112,838​
2nd semi, 1970MCG
Essendon
116,828​
grand final, 1968MCG
104,846​
grand final, 1965MCG
Fitzroy
87,139​
1st semi, 1979MCG
82,570​
1st semi, 1947MCG
Fremantle
100,007​
grand final, 2013MCG
49,021​
round 2, 2018Perth Stadium
Geelong
109,396​
grand final, 1967MCG
101,209​
grand final, 1963MCG
Gold Coast
51,774​
round 4, 2018Perth Stadium
34,208​
round 2, 2016Subiaco
G.W.S.
100,014​
grand final, 2019MCG
77,828​
1st prelim, 2019MCG
Hawthorn
118,192​
grand final, 1971MCG
SAME​
Melbourne
115,802​
grand final, 1956MCG
SAME​
North Melbourne
113,839​
grand final, 1974MCG
110,551​
grand final, 1975MCG
Port Adelaide
97,302​
grand final, 2007MCG
77,671​
grand final, 2004MCG
Richmond
119,165​
grand final, 1969MCG
SAME​
St. Kilda
118,192​
grand final, 1971MCG
104,239​
1st semi, 1970MCG
South/Sydney
104,239​
1st semi, 1970MCG
99,683​
grand final, 2012MCG
West Coast
100,022​
grand final, 2018MCG
SAME​
Western Bulldogs
107,935​
grand final, 1961MCG
99,981​
grand final, 2016MCG
 
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Derby103

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In re-watching my DVD box-set of the Western Bulldogs' 2016 finals matches, I heard Bruce McAvaney state that the crowd of 87,823 the Dogs played in front of in the second semi-final versus Hawthorn was the largest crowd to ever see the Bulldogs win a game (a figure which would be superseded two weeks later). The largest crowd ever to watch the Bulldogs occurred at the 1961 grand final, which thus inspired me to research the largest crowd to witness each team play and whether that had resulted in a win or a loss. For the vast majority of teams, it resulted in a loss.

Good one, but I think you'll find that Essington won in front of a larger crowd in 1965.
 

emuboy

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The year 2010 doesn't seem that long ago in some ways, but in others due to everything this year it seems even further in the past.

Supporters of teams that took home the five major premierships around Australia that year would probably look back to 2010 with a fair bit of nostalgia and well they should, because not one of them has been able to replicate premiership glory since then, and some of them provide very interesting reading as to how things can change so quickly in a decade. It's almost like these cups are poisoned chalices as follows:

AFL - Collingwood Magpies - The Magpie team that thrashed St. Kilda in the 2010 GF replay to win their first flag since 1990 looked to have age and talent on their side, and a team capable of winning at least one more premiership in the next couple of years. But the Magpies couldn't do it, sliding from premiership contenders to finalists making up the numbers, then missing the finals altogether from 2014-2017. They have rebounded since, but appearances in the 2018 GF and 2019 PF resulted in heartbreaking losses.

VFL - North Ballarat Roosters - When Collingwood won the premiership in 1990 another black and white team took out its third premiership in a row. In 1990 it was the Port Adelaide Magpies in the SANFL, in 2010 it was the North Ballarat Roosters in the VFL. Country expansion had not been a success for the VFL, with the short tenures of Traralgon and Murray Kangaroos and the train-wreck that was Bendigo testament to this, but the powerful Roosters defied the trend. After winning the premiership in 2010 North Ballarat faded as flag contenders, but still were a decent team, usually finishing in the lower reaches of the finals or just outside in the next few years. However, when a partial alignment with North Melbourne was terminated at the end of 2015 things went bad very quickly, the Roosters falling to second last in 2016 and last with only one win in 2017. North Ballarat's VFL license was revoked at the end of the 2017 season.

WAFL - Swan Districts Swans - Swan Districts completed the black and white trifecta in 1990 with victory over Claremont in the WAFL Grand Final, and like Collingwood won their first flag in 20 years in 2010 to complete the trifecta with the Magpies and Roosters. But since then, it has all been downhill for the Swans, which slumped to second last in 2011 and have made only sporadic finals appearances in the years since. Swans have won only one final in that time, a 2017 Elimination Final over West Perth, and have been given some severe beatings by better teams in other finals matches. In other seasons Swans have finished well down the ladder, last in both 2016 and 2019. And since Swans last made the Grand Final in 2010, all other teams bar Perth and the new West Coast Eagles Reserves team which entered in 2019 have played at least one Grand Final, meaning Swans have in 10 years gone from premiers to the second longest GF appearance drought.

SANFL - Central Districts Bulldogs - When the year 2000 commenced, many people wondered if Central Districts would ever win a premiership. Fast forward 10 years, and people were wondering if Central Districts would ever NOT win a Grand Final. In a truly golden era, the Bulldogs made 12 consecutive Grand Finals from 2000-2011 inclusive, winning 9 with their only losses coming in 2002 to Sturt, and in 2006 and 2011 to the Woodville-West Torrens Eagles. The Bulldogs 2010 flag was their fourth in a row, a thrilling victory over Norwood. In yet another coincidence with 1990, that year Williamstown won the VFA flag with a thrilling GF win over Springvale Scorpions, the Scorpions like the Redlegs wearing navy blue and red jumpers. Central Districts were hot favorites to win the 2011 flag but the Eagles upset them in a very close match. Since then and very much like Swan Districts in the WAFL, Centrals have not made another GF and now have the second longest GF appearance drought behind South Adelaide, with only the Panthers and new team the Adelaide Crows Reserves which entered in 2013 not qualifying for a GF since the Bulldogs last played a premiership decider.

TAC CUP - Calder Cannons - The Calder Cannons, which represent Melbourne's north-western suburbs, had a very good era in the 2000s, winning premierships in 2001, 2003, 2004, 2007 and 2009, with runner up positions in 2002 & 2006. An easy win over the Gippsland Power in the 2010 GF suggested that this dominance might continue into the 2010s, but it hasn't worked out that way. Calder's only GF appearance since then was in 2014 against Oakleigh where they were given a bit of a hiding. The Cannons recruiting zone borders the Western Jets and Northern Knights, and if one of these teams had become more dominant in this era due to demographic shifts, Calder's decline might have been easier to explain. But this isn't the case - the Northern Knights still haven't made a Grand Final since 1996 when they won their fourth straight premiership, while the Western Jets are still waiting to see if Grand Finals are a third time lucky prospect, the Jets losing the first two GF's in 1992 and 1993 but never able to make one since.
 

emuboy

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You can add the St George-Illawarra Dragons to the list of 2010 premiers that haven't won a title since then.

When the Dragons took out the 2010 NRL Grand Final with a big win over the Sydney Roosters, it was the first premiership for the St George Illawarra joint venture, the first for a Wollongong team with the Steelers never having been premiers in their 1982-1998 tenure and the first premiership in 31 years for St George, which hadn't won a first grade title since 1979 and had suffered of plenty of heartbreaking GF defeats along the way.

But since that drought breaking premiership, things have gone downhill for the Dragons, who have won just one finals match from three finals series in a decade, the team significantly underperforming in other seasons.
 

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emuboy

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Not the most obscure statistic, but Gary Ablett Junior is by FAR the player who played the most games without recording a single hit out in his career.
It would be difficult and maybe impossible to find out, but thinking about this I was wondering which players who participated in most games without a single kick, handball or mark to their name? There's one game players that have career stats of 0-0-0, like Chris Hemley who was taken at pick 13 in the 1994 national draft by St. Kilda, but played just one senior game for the Saints in 1995 in a loss to the Adelaide Crows, where he failed to touch the ball. He was later listed by Geelong but never played senior football for the Cats. However, there might be players who participated in several games but for whatever reason failed to get a kick, mark or a hand-pass in any of their appearances. For example, there might be a player who was in 5 games and collected kicks and hand-balls in his brief career, but never once successfully marked the football in any of his appearances.
 

Demon in Hell

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In his debut game Kade Simpson failed to trouble the scorers with the exception of 2 tackles, in his second game he had complete donuts and in his third game managed just the one tackle.

So in his first 3 games he only managed a total of 3 tackles, but went on to play 342 games.
 
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It would be difficult and maybe impossible to find out, but thinking about this I was wondering which players who participated in most games without a single kick, handball or mark to their name? There's one game players that have career stats of 0-0-0, like Chris Hemley who was taken at pick 13 in the 1994 national draft by St. Kilda, but played just one senior game for the Saints in 1995 in a loss to the Adelaide Crows, where he failed to touch the ball. He was later listed by Geelong but never played senior football for the Cats. However, there might be players who participated in several games but for whatever reason failed to get a kick, mark or a hand-pass in any of their appearances. For example, there might be a player who was in 5 games and collected kicks and hand-balls in his brief career, but never once successfully marked the football in any of his appearances.
John Anthony of St Kilda failed to register a touch in his 3 games of AFL football:
As did Rodger Marsden of Geelong.

Funnily enough, Marsden was dropped after two games without registering a touch - then recalled over a year later to add another game to his tally, albeit another touchless one.
 

emuboy

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John Anthony of St Kilda failed to register a touch in his 3 games of AFL football:
As did Rodger Marsden of Geelong.

Funnily enough, Marsden was dropped after two games without registering a touch - then recalled over a year later to add another game to his tally, albeit another touchless one.
I am wondering if Anthony and Marsden might have been 19th/20th men in all of their league appearances. IIRC there wasn't an interchange until 1975, and players before that if they went to the bench to be replaced by one of the reserves, then they couldn't return and the 19th or 20th man would take their place for the rest of the game.
 

SJ

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I am wondering if Anthony and Marsden might have been 19th/20th men in all of their league appearances. IIRC there wasn't an interchange until 1975, and players before that if they went to the bench to be replaced by one of the reserves, then they couldn't return and the 19th or 20th man would take their place for the rest of the game.
They may have not got on the ground in some/all of those games.
 

35Daicos

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I am wondering if Anthony and Marsden might have been 19th/20th men in all of their league appearances. IIRC there wasn't an interchange until 1975, and players before that if they went to the bench to be replaced by one of the reserves, then they couldn't return and the 19th or 20th man would take their place for the rest of the game.
They may have not got on the ground in some/all of those games.
Both players were 19th or 20th man for all of their senior appearances. In two cases the player stayed on the bench, four cases they did get a run in the last quarter. 1978 saw the introduction of the interchange.

John Anthony

On in the last quarter for his debut game: AFL Tables - St Kilda v North Melbourne - Sat, 1-Apr-1972 2:10 PM - Match Stats
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Rae managed 3 disposals and 1 mark.

Stayed on the bench: AFL Tables - St Kilda v South Melbourne - Sat, 22-Jul-1972 2:10 PM - Match Stats
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He did get a late run here: AFL Tables - Richmond v St Kilda - Sat, 29-Jul-1972 2:10 PM - Match Stats
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Corner (the other reserve) also didn't record a stat.

Rodger Marsden

Stayed on the bench on debut: AFL Tables - Essendon v Geelong - Sat, 13-May-1967 2:20 PM - Match Stats
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Primmer didn't record a stat either.
Marsden had kicked 4 goals in the Reserves the week before, so was probably rather disappointed in his "debut"!

Came on in the last quarter here: AFL Tables - Geelong v South Melbourne - Sat, 20-May-1967 2:20 PM - Match Stats
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Primmer, also playing his 2nd game, managed 1 handball.

On in the last quarter again: AFL Tables - Essendon v Geelong - Sat, 29-Jun-1968 2:20 PM - Match Stats
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Primmer managed 4 kicks, 1 mark, 1 free kick!
 
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