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Chris who said:
The same carnival bonny campbell for WA kicked 25 odd goals v the same qld side. WA and SA both spanked the Queenslanders by 20+ goals from memory, but the Vics decided to let every player kick a goal, late in the game backmen were trying to recieve the ball in the back pocket and form a flying v and run the ball the length of the ground for a goal
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According to some sources they say that the backmen or any other scorers were put at full-forward and as soon as they scored they went back and put someone else there to score.
 
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Lowest percentage of finals games played in a career exceeding 200 games​



. . .Player . . Finals Games . Club/s
0.406 John Murphy . .1 . 246 . Fitzroy/South/North
0.421 Bob Skilton . .1 . 237 . South Melb
0.462 Stuart Magee . 1 . 216 . South/Footscray
0.600 Kevin Murray . 2 . 333 . Fitzroy
0.609 Barry Round . .2 . 328 . South/Footscray
0.806 John Dugdale . 2 . 248 . North Melb
0.865 Ron Clegg . . .2 . 231 . South Melb
0.884 Jeff Sarau . . 2 . 226 . St. Kilda
0.892 Ian Hampshire .2 . 224 . Geelong/Footscray
0.913 Dennis Carroll 2 . 219 . Sydney
0.938 David McLeish .2 . 213 . South Melb
0.966 George Bisset .2 . 207 . Footscray/Collingwood
0.990 Norm Goss . . .2 . 202 . South/Hawthorn
0.995 Laurie Dwyer . 2 . 201 . North Melb​
 
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Plus five who didn't play any

230 Trevor Barker
224 Geoff Cunningham
219 Gary Hardeman
203 Steven Smith
200 Ted Pool
 
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  • St Kilda bettered Essendon's score by a factor of 2 or more in round 14 of 1915 (70 v 31) . The next time was not until round 22, 2008 (147 v 39)
  • WB/Footscray has not doubled Geelong's score since 1968.
  • Geelong has not doubled Carton's score since 1966.
  • Melbourne has not doubled Collingwood's score since 1964.
  • WB/Footscray has not doubled Collingwood's score since 1962

Table: Each Teams Most Consecutive Matches Without Score Being Doubled or More Than Doubled.
 

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2008 NAB Cup Round 1 match.

Hawthorn kick five (regulation) goals less than Sydney, but win anyway.

Hawthorn: 3.2.13 (52)
Sydney: 0.7.8 (50)
 
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[FONT=&quot]How Long? Last 100 to 700 Wins (VFL/AFL)
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  • Geelong has taken 6 fewer seasons than Richmond to amass their last 100 wins and 9 fewer seasons to win their last 200 matches.
  • Essendon has won their last 400 matches in 16 fewer seasons than Melbourne.
  • Hawthorn has won their last 600 matches in 26 fewer seasons than St Kilda.
  • Richmond won their first 200 matches in 109 fewer matches than for their last 200 wins.
  • Both Melbourne and WB/Footscray have needed exactly 1,327 matches each to obtain their last 600 wins.
Full Tables:
 
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RogersResults said:
  • WB/Footscray has not doubled Geelong's score since 1968.
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That case was fascinating because Footscray had won only one of their first eleven games, and Geelong had been on top just three weeks before. It is still Footscray’s biggest win over Geelong, but historically pales in comparison with what Kelvin Templeton and Ian Dunstan did on the same round a decade later against St. Kilda.

Indeed:

  • Footscray had its biggest win against Richmond until 1989 (here for an amazing parallel I have noted ever since 1989) in Round 13 of 1958
  • its biggest win against Geelong (still) in Round 13 of 1968
  • its biggest win against St. Kilda (still) in Round 13 of 1978
It would be hard to find a parallel to that I presume!
 
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How Many Times Topped?
  • Hawthorn and Nth. Melbourne have each topped the other 43 times on the final season ladder.

  • West Coast has topped Collingwood 14 times in their 24 seasons. WB/Footscray has topped Collingwood 21 times in 86 seasons.

  • Between 1943 and 1995 Sydney/SM only topped Carlton twice on the final ladder. Since then Carlton has only topped Sydney/SM on 4 occasions.

  • Sydney/SM has topped Carlton on the ladder for 7 consecutive seasons, 2002-08. The previous best was 6, 1897-1902.

  • Geelong topped Collingwood on the ladder in 10 consecutive seasons 1991-2000. Prior to that the best was 3 consecutive on 3 occasions, 1923-5, 1950-2, 1961-3.

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  • Hawthorn did not top Carlton in a season until the 1957 First Semi-Final, and not by points in a home-and-away season until 1958
  • Hawthorn did not top Richmond in a season until 1956
  • Since 1956, Hawthorn has topped Richmond in 37 of 55 seasons (67 percent), including 14 in a row from 1981 to 1994
  • Melbourne did not top Carlton in a home-and-away season from 1965 to 1988, not Hawthorn from 1968 to 1989 (shows what a gerrymander country zoning was)
  • St. Kilda did not top Essendon in a season from 1940 to 1962
  • South Melbourne topped Carlton only three times post-finals from 1937 to 1995;
    1. 1942 (by percentage only)
    2. 1977 (only after the last round)
    3. 1989 (only by a single place)
 
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Consecutive Matches Won
Leading at Each Break - Lost Trailing Each Break 1897- 2010


  • In 2010 Geelong became the first team to have streaks of 5 or more matches which were won leading at each quarter break in 4 consecutive seasons.

  • Richmond last won 5 consecutive matches in this fashion in 1980.

  • Melbourne in 1962.

  • Sydney/SM in 1934.

  • St Kilda lost their first 27 matches in the VFL trailing at each break,
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Progression of most goalkickers (team)

  1. First instance of 7 goalkickers
    • Fitzroy (12-6) against St. Kilda in Round 2 of 1897
  2. First instance of 8 or more goalkickers
    • Essendon (nine goalkickers in 12-6) against Carlton in Round 3, 1897
  3. First instance of 10 goalkickers
    • Essendon (14-10) against South Melbourne in the third sectional round of 1903
  4. First instance of 11 goalkickers
    • Essendon (14-11) against St. Kilda in Round 16 of 1926
    • Amazingly, the Saints kicked eleven behinds - but only two goals and none after quarter time!
  5. First instance of 12 goalkickers
    • Footscray (24-13) against South Melbourne in Round 3 of 1958
    • In Stephen Rogers' old 1986 VFL statistics book it is said Bulldog supporters could be forgiven for expecting 34 goals against North Melbourne (which would have been then a record) as the club had kicked in successive weeks
      • 4-5 (29) against Collingwood
      • 14-12 (96) against Richmond (see here)
      • 24-13 against South Melbourne
  6. First instance of 13 goalkickers
    • Hawthorn (21-10) against South Melbourne in Round 8 of 1976
    • an amazing effort on the only wet day of the first 18 rounds
  7. First instance of 14 goalkickers
    • Carlton (25-14) against Essendon in Round 20 of 1980
    • the last Carlton win over Essendon until 1985
  8. First instance of 15 or more goalkickers
    • Essendon (16 goalkickers in a score of 29-20) v Brisbane, Round 9 of 1988
 
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Highest goalkicking averages achieved during a player's career


. . . . . . . .Highest . . . . . . . . . . . . . Final
Player . . . . .Average . . Achieved After . . . Average
Peter Hudson . . 5.96 . . . 103 games, 614 goals .5.63
John Coleman . . 5.57 . . . .77 games, 429 goals .5.47
Tony Lockett . . 5.06 . . . 220 games, 1114 goals 4.83
Peter McKenna . .5.00 . . . 133 games, 665 goals .4.57
Jason Dunstall . 4.94 . . . 197 games, 974 goals .4.66
Bob Pratt . . . .4.69 . . . 104 games, 488 goals .4.31
Gordon Coventry .4.29 . . . 279 games, 1198 goals 4.24
Bill Mohr . . . .4.22 . . . 136 games, 575 goals .3.76
 

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Yeah, decided it would be easier to have restrictions. There are so many players who would have kicked 5 goals on debut, and thus possessed an average of 5.00 at that stage of their career. I couldn't be bothered researching all of them. Many of these players would still have had pretty good averages after their second game as well, maybe even their third, fourth or fifth (remember Adrian McAdam's first three games?).
 
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Jakovich holds until 22 games, then the usual suspects take over.
Code: 
GM   Player                       Ave.
 1   John Coleman                 12.00
 2   George Moloney               9.50
 3   Adrian McAdam                7.67
 4   Adrian McAdam                6.50
 5   Adrian McAdam                5.80
 6   Adrian McAdam                6.33
 7   Alan Rait                    6.00
 8   Alan Rait                    5.63
 9   Allen Jakovich               5.56
 10  Allen Jakovich               5.50
 11  Ross Ditchburn               5.27
 12  Ross Ditchburn               5.08
 13  Allen Jakovich               5.15
 14  Allen Jakovich               5.07
 15  Allen Jakovich               5.20
 
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Some "time played" stats from this year
Code: 
Team               Tot        GM   Ave           Leading   Level     Behind
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Adelaide           2682m 49s  22   121m 56s      1187m 8s  145m 54s  1349m 47s
Brisbane Lions     2686m 44s  22   122m 7s       675m 2s   98m 12s   1913m 30s
Carlton            2840m 6s   23   123m 28s      1231m 58s 93m 35s   1514m 33s
Collingwood        3180m 49s  26   122m 20s      2523m 13s 145m 54s  511m 42s
Essendon           2722m 12s  22   123m 44s      1049m 42s 113m 26s  1559m 4s
Fremantle          2999m 20s  24   124m 58s      1561m 25s 101m 37s  1336m 18s
Geelong            3061m 55s  25   122m 28s      2030m 6s  131m 41s  900m 8s
Hawthorn           2852m 49s  23   124m 2s       1602m 46s 162m 55s  1087m 8s
Melbourne          2671m 31s  22   121m 25s      978m 9s   114m 40s  1578m 42s
North Melbourne    2704m 27s  22   122m 55s      1218m 46s 100m 57s  1384m 44s
Port Adelaide      2738m 10s  22   124m 27s      1040m 7s  122m 31s  1575m 32s
Richmond           2697m 44s  22   122m 37s      787m 56s  90m 43s   1819m 5s
St Kilda           3150m 41s  26   121m 10s      1712m 23s 177m 8s   1261m 10s
Sydney             2972m 42s  24   123m 51s      1559m 40s 158m 44s  1254m 18s
West Coast         2742m 26s  22   124m 39s      943m 57s  103m 44s  1694m 45s
Western Bulldogs   3016m 21s  25   120m 39s      1737m 12s 180m 5s   1099m 4s
 
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On September 11, 1982, during the second week of the finals, three players registered their 100th goal of the season. Malcolm Blight kicked 5 goals for North Melbourne against Hawthorn in the 1st Semi to go to 103 for the season, a total upon which he finished as North Melbourne lost and were bundled out of the finals.

Ross Ditchburn kicked 4 goals for Carlton against Richmond in the 2nd Semi to go to 102 for the season, 58 in the seniors and 44 in the reserves. Ditchburn finished with 105 goals for the season (61 seniors, 44 reserves).

Mark Scott, playing for St. Kilda Reserves, kicked 5 goals against Geelong Reserves in the 2nd Semi to go to 102 goals for the season (45 seniors, 57 reserves). Scott finished with 109 for the season (45 seniors, 64 reserves).

Not sure how many combined totals there have been in VFL/AFL history, but the highest one I know of is 131 by Allen Jakovich for Melbourne in 1991 (71 seniors, 60 reserves).

Then again, you can look at Peter Hudson in 1970, when he kicked 146 goals in home and away, 8 goals in night series games and 10 goals in state games, a total of 164 goals in senior football.
 
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After previous discussion about the biggest score ever I reckon the game mentioned on the front page of this paper was halfway there when the losing side did a runner.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=MDQ-9Oe3GGUC&dat=19800519&printsec=frontpage

33.12 to 0.0 at half time!

Incidentally it seems Google News Archive will now let you browse by date (hoorah!) but that heaps of papers that used to be there have been removed (boo!) and the year I'm currently looking through (1980) has most of the Monday papers removed which takes out all the footy match reports.
 

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Supermercado said:
Here's another match that was heading for a massive score when abandoned.

http://news.google.com.au/newspapers?id=MSBVAAAAIBAJ&sjid=L5QDAAAAIBAJ&pg=3350,2841632

Moorabbin Under 19's 372 points in front of Yarraville in the last quarter when player knocks umpire out and kicks/headbutts boundary umpire. Banned for life as a 16 year old.
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That is amazing!

Since it occurred on the same day as the amazing Fitzroy win over North Melbourne, I would have had a lot of opportunity to look in The Age for details, but I do not recall any from my numerous looks at June 20, 1983 (or The Sun, or The Herald of June 18, 1983).

If the match was to be abandoned, the incident would have to have been far more serious than merely one player kicking or head-butting a boundary umpire - appalling as that is! There was of course a VFA section near the VFL one, but it says nothing about the incident.

One thing I did know about from the 1980s VFA, Supermercado, was that a Brunswick Reserves player was suspended for urinating in the goal square during a game! Do you know the exact date of that incident and was it reported in the papers?
 
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mianfei said:
That is amazing!

Since it occurred on the same day as the amazing Fitzroy win over North Melbourne, I would have had a lot of opportunity to look in The Age for details, but I do not recall any from my numerous looks at June 20, 1983 (or The Sun, or The Herald of June 18, 1983).

If the match was to be abandoned, the incident would have to have been far more serious than merely one player kicking or head-butting a boundary umpire - appalling as that is! There was of course a VFA section near the VFL one, but it says nothing about the incident.

One thing I did know about from the 1980s VFA, Supermercado, was that a Brunswick Reserves player was suspended for urinating in the goal square during a game! Do you know the exact date of that incident and was it reported in the papers?
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I only started looking from '81 on (researching the Barassi as Melbourne coach era) but if I find anything on that I'll send a link.

Better out than in.
 
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Hope this stat has not been displayed yet.

What would be the record for the most goals kicked by a player against one team in a season?

Peter McKenna kicked 32 against Carlton in 1970 from four games (two home and away, two finals). I have a feeling that certain Big Footy members will be able to search and scour their databases and compile a list faster than I could.
 
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worbod said:
Hope this stat has not been displayed yet.

What would be the record for the most goals kicked by a player against one team in a season?

Peter McKenna kicked 32 against Carlton in 1970 from four games (two home and away, two finals). I have a feeling that certain Big Footy members will be able to search and scour their databases and compile a list faster than I could.
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Code: 
Gl Player            Cb M Year Op
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32 McKenna, Peter    Co 4 1970 Ca
29 Dunstall, Jason   Ha 2 1992 Ri
29 Todd, Ron         Co 3 1939 St
29 Hudson, Peter     Ha 4 1971 St
28 Fanning, Fred     Me 2 1947 St
26 Pratt, Bob        Sy 2 1934 Es
25 Hudson, Peter     Ha 2 1969 Me
23 Templeton, Kelvin WB 2 1978 St
23 Lockett, Tony     St 2 1991 Sy
23 Modra, Tony       Ad 2 1993 Ri
23 Lockett, Tony     Sy 2 1995 Fi
23 Vallence, Harry   Ca 3 1931 Co
23 McKenna, Peter    Co 3 1971 Ri
23 Dunstall, Jason   Ha 3 1993 Ad
23 Gardiner, Vin     Ca 6 1916 Fi
22 Coventry, Gordon  Co 2 1929 Ha
22 McKenna, Peter    Co 2 1969 Sy
22 Lockett, Tony     St 2 1991 Ad
22 Quinlan, Bernie   Fi 3 1983 Ha
21 Coventry, Gordon  Co 2 1930 Fi
21 Pratt, Bob        Sy 2 1934 Ca
21 McKenna, Peter    Co 2 1972 Es
21 McKenna, Peter    Co 2 1972 Ge
21 Roach, Michael    Ri 2 1980 WB
21 Lockett, Tony     St 2 1987 Me
21 Dunstall, Jason   Ha 2 1992 Ge
21 Todd, Ron         Co 3 1938 Ca
21 Dunstall, Jason   Ha 3 1988 Me
 
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Thanks for the list Ron. I knew you wouldn't let us down.
 
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There appears to be something unlucky about premierships won in the year 1999. Of the five major leagues around Australia (AFL, VFL, TAC Cup SANFL and WAFL), only one 1999 Premier, WAFL team the West Perth Falcons, has played in a Grand Final since then, winning in 2003 and losing in 2002.

All of the others - AFL North Melbourne Kangaroos (AFL), VFL Springvale Scorpions(now Casey) , TAC team Prahran Dragons (now Sandringham) and SANFL Port Adelaide Magpies have failed to make it to the last day of the season in over a decade since then.

What makes it all the more strange is that three of these teams were very dominant around this time; North won in 1996 & 1999 and were runner up in 1998; the Scorpions won the 1995, 1996, 1998 & 1999 flags and the Port Adelaide Magpies played in every Grand Final in the 1990s except 1991 & 1993, winning 7 and losing on 1 in 1997.
 

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