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red+black said:
Any newspaper articles from then? Although I'm guessing Club B+Fs probably didn't make the newspapers 80 years ago.
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Plenty of newspaper articles from 1932 about everything from Cinema awards and Annual General Meeting, but not a single one that references a Best and Fairest Award in 1932.
It's of my opinion the 1988 entry was incorrectly added, and that it has not been altered ever since.

However, I need to stress that the Richmond Board rejected the lengthy submission put before them, by saying there was no evidence to suggest Dyer didn't win the 1932 BF, and that it still stands.
The counter argument that there is no evidence (before 1988) that Dyer did win apparently made no difference in their decision.
My opinion is that partly because it is a player of such significance they are wary to changing it. They reviewed the evidence and rejected the submission. The Board said the decision can be looked at again if evidence surfaces that he DIDN'T win the award that year (which to me is such a silly request for evidence)
 
rbartlett said:
Plenty of newspaper articles from 1932 about everything from Cinema awards and Annual General Meeting, but not a single one that references a Best and Fairest Award in 1932.
It's of my opinion the 1988 entry was incorrectly added, and that it has not been altered ever since.

However, I need to stress that the Richmond Board rejected the lengthy submission put before them, by saying there was no evidence to suggest Dyer didn't win the 1932 BF, and that it still stands.
The counter argument that there is no evidence (before 1988) that Dyer did win apparently made no difference in their decision.
My opinion is that partly because it is a player of such significance they are wary to changing it. They reviewed the evidence and rejected the submission. The Board said the decision can be looked at again if evidence surfaces that he DIDN'T win the award that year (which to me is such a silly request for evidence)
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That is ridiculous.
 
rbartlett said:
Plenty of newspaper articles from 1932 about everything from Cinema awards and Annual General Meeting, but not a single one that references a Best and Fairest Award in 1932.
It's of my opinion the 1988 entry was incorrectly added, and that it has not been altered ever since.

However, I need to stress that the Richmond Board rejected the lengthy submission put before them, by saying there was no evidence to suggest Dyer didn't win the 1932 BF, and that it still stands.
The counter argument that there is no evidence (before 1988) that Dyer did win apparently made no difference in their decision.
My opinion is that partly because it is a player of such significance they are wary to changing it. They reviewed the evidence and rejected the submission. The Board said the decision can be looked at again if evidence surfaces that he DIDN'T win the award that year (which to me is such a silly request for evidence)
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Rhett. Aren't there a couple of other alleged B&F wins prior to 1932 which are also lacking evidence.
Did those other "dubious" ones also suddenly appear in that 1988 report ?
 
Goals scored by Ross Lyon coached sides in finals:

GOALS | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18+
\ FINALS | 1 | 3 | 3 | 1 | 2 | 4 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0
Seems a tad light on.
 

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Fremantle (2014) join the Western Bulldogs (1999) as the only 4th placed sides to go out in straight sets. Under the previous Final Eight system, Essendon (1995) and West Coast (1996) also lost their semi final, however they had won their Qualifying Final the previous week.
 
the croucher said:
Rhett. Aren't there a couple of other alleged B&F wins prior to 1932 which are also lacking evidence.
Did those other "dubious" ones also suddenly appear in that 1988 report ?
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Yes they did.
It's of my belief that many prior to 1940 are incorrect.
However, again, I need to stress that the Richmond FC board disagree and that the say the current best and fairest list printed in their annual reports are the correct ones
 
With Geelong and Fremantle now having lost both their finals to bow out of premiership contention, and with no other team capable of losing two finals games this season, there have now been 117 instances in which a team has lost two games in one finals series. The only team to lose by the same margin in two finals games in the same season has been Essendon in 1996. They lost both their qualifying final and their preliminary final by one point.
 
There have so far been two instances of a team coming from 30 points behind or more to win in this finals series, with North Melbourne having been 33 points behind Essendon when the scores became 17 to 50 at the 3:52 mark of the third quarter. Also, Port Adelaide were 31 points behind Fremantle when the scores became 15 to 46 at the 22:26 mark of the second quarter.
The last time this happened was in the 2009 finals series, when Brisbane Lions were 30 points behind Carlton in the second elimination final when the scores became 70 to 100 at the 1:18 mark of the fourth quarter, with Brisbane eventually winning by 7 points. Also. Collingwood were 32 points behind Adelaide in the first semi final when the scores became 17 to 49 at the 20:53 mark of the second quarter, with Collinwood eventually winning by 5 points.

Not sure if this has happened in any other finals series.
 
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Jack Billings - 16 games and yet to give away a free kick. Jackson Thurlow - 10 games, yet to get one.
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Just waiting for the day when both are in the same contest and a free's been paid.
 
The key to beating Hawthorn appears quite simple. Score 100 points.

The below is for this season:

If an opponent scores 100 points or more against Hawthorn, they win (5 out of 5).
If an opponent scores less than 100 points against Hawthorn, they lose (19 out of 19).
If Sydney scores 100 points or more, they win (11 out of 11)

Opponents average 80 points against Hawthorn this season.

If the Hawks score 90 points or more, they almost always win (19 out of 20).
If the Hawks score less than 90 points, they always lose (4 out of 4).
If an opponent scores 89 points or more against Sydney, they almost always win (4 out of 5)

The Hawks have yet to score less than 86 points this season.
 
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The Swert said:
The key to beating Hawthorn appears quite simple. Score 100 points.

The below is for this season:

If an opponent scores 100 points or more against Hawthorn, they win (5 out of 5).
If an opponent scores less than 100 points against Hawthorn, they lose (19 out of 19).
If Sydney scores 100 points or more, they win (11 out of 11)

Opponents average 80 points against Hawthorn this season.

If the Hawks score 90 points or more, they almost always win (19 out of 20).
If the Hawks score less than 90 points, they always lose (4 out of 4).
If an opponent scores 89 points or more against Sydney, they almost always win (4 out of 5)

The Hawks have yet to score less than 86 points this season.
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Considering that on 119 occasions this year a team has kicked 100+ points, and on only 6 occasions that team has lost (5%), I'm not sure if that's a Hawthorn rule or just a competition rule.

100 points is a big (winning) score these days.
 
SJ said:
Considering that on 119 occasions this year a team has kicked 100+ points, and on only 6 occasions that team has lost (5%), I'm not sure if that's a Hawthorn rule or just a competition rule.

100 points is a big (winning) score these days.
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My point being that you can't afford to be defensive against the Hawks. They keep finding a way to score against even the most defensive teams this year. You need to go out there and kick a proper score yourself.
 
The Swert said:
My point being that you can't afford to be defensive against the Hawks. They keep finding a way to score against even the most defensive teams this year. You need to go out there and kick a proper score yourself.
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I agree with your point, but to me the '100 points rule' trend with Hawthorn is just an extension of the trend across the entire competition but slightly more stark because Hawthorn is a better team.
 
Gary Ablett Jnr and Chris Judd are =1st for the Most Brownlow Medal 3-votes:
46 - Gary Ablett Jnr, Chris Judd
45 - Gary Dempsey, Robert Harvey

They are also both =3rd for Most All-time Brownlow Medal votes:
246 - Gary Dempsey (218.5 with 1/2 votes counted for '76 and '77)
215 - Robert Harvey
209 - Gary Ablett Jnr, Chris Judd

Of course, next year Ablett will race away from Judd in both categories and in 2016/17 should pass Dempsey.
 
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Priddis polled in 11 of 14 matches from Round 6-20. Other players to have done this since 1984 are

Nick Dal Santo 2011
Robert Harvey 1998
Joel Selwood 2010
Jobe Watson 2012 (polled 12 times)
 

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The Grand Final has never been won by these (0-60) margins:

8, 16, 19, 21, 22, 23, 34, 36, 45, 47, 52, 54, 58, 59

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More than 100,000 people have attended 3 of the last 7 grand finals.

Sydney / South Melbourne have never played a grand final in front of 100,000 people.
 
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Most teammates reaching milestone:

Milestone|Games|Player|Club(s)|Career|Games
\400|1|38 players|||
\350|2|Porter, Mark|Ca,NM|1997-2004|110
\|2|Silvagni, Stephen|Ca|1985-2001|312
\300|5|Boyd, Matthew|WB|2003-2014|239
\|5|Cooney, Adam|WB|2004-2014|219
\|5|Cross, Daniel|WB,Me|2002-2014|227
\|5|Eagleton, Nathan|PA,WB|1997-2010|277
\|5|Gilbee, Lindsay|WB|2001-2012|206
\|5|Giansiracusa, Daniel|WB|2001-2014|265
\|5|Griffen, Ryan|WB|2005-2014|202
\|5|Lake, Brian|WB,Ha|2002-2014|228
\|5|Mattner, Martin|Ad,Sy|2002-2013|222
\|5|Minson, Will|WB|2004-2014|179
\|5|Morris, Dale|WB|2005-2014|193
\|5|Power, Sam|WB,NM|2002-2009|123
\|5|Schwab, Peter|Ha|1980-1991|171
\250|11|Michael, Mal|Co,Br,Es|1997-2008|238
\200|18|Black, Simon|Br|1998-2013|322
\150|28|Archer, Glenn|NM|1992-2007|311
\100|35|Fletcher, Dustin|Es|1993-2014|393
\|35|Harvey, Brent|NM|1996-2014|384
\|35|Williams, Paul|Co,Sy|1991-2006|306
\50|61|Fletcher, Dustin|Es|1993-2014|393
\1|190|Lever, Harry|St|1905-1922|218
 
The Swert said:
Not sure how to interpret this.

Is it saying that Steven Silvagni witnessed 2 teammates play in their 350th game during his career? Dustin Fletcher witnessed 61 teammates play in their 50th game during his career?
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Played in the same team in the teammate's milestone game, e.g. Silvagni 350 => Doull, Bradley
 
Matt Priddis (2014) had the most H&A possessions (627) and won the Brownlow Medal with 26 votes.

Barry Mitchell (1991) had the most H&A possessions (689) and didn't poll a single Brownlow vote.

In 9 seasons with Sydney, Barry Mitchell had:
- 6 40+ possession games and didn't poll a single Brownlow vote in any
- 61 30+ possession games and only polled 7 Brownlow votes across them all (and no BOG's)
 
Highest Game# to receive Brownlow votes (1984-2014)
(Incredibly the top 10 are all 3-votes! Boomer might spoil that next year, although the last 6 times he's polled have been 3-votes.)
## | PLAYER | 3 | 2 | 1
\ 420 | Michael Tuck | x | |
\ 417 | Michael Tuck | x | |
\ 375 | Craig Bradley | x | |
\ 374 | Brent Harvey | x | |
\ 373 | Michael Tuck | x | |
\ 373 | Brent Harvey | x | |
\ 371 | Robert Harvey | x | |
\ 370 | Brent Harvey | x | |
\ 369 | Michael Tuck | x | |
\ 368 | Brent Harvey | x | |
\ 367 | Craig Bradley | | | x
\ 364 | Michael Tuck | x | |
\ 364 | Brent Harvey | x | |
\ 358 | Brent Harvey | x | |
\ 357 | Brent Harvey | | | x
\ 355 | Simon Madden | x | |
\ 355 | Michael Tuck | | | x
\ 354 | Simon Madden | | x |
\ 354 | Craig Bradley | | x |
\ 353 | Robert Harvey | | | x
\ 353 | Brent Harvey | x | |
\ 352 | Craig Bradley | | x |
\ 351 | Robert Harvey | | | x
\ 350 | Bruce Doull | x | |
\ 350 | Brent Harvey | | | x
\ 350 | Robert Harvey | | | x
NB: In 1981, Kevin Bartlett may have had a 3 vote game between Game 350 and 361
 
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