Stats observations

[RedmanWasHere]

Of seasons that produced at least one 100 point win, statistically, 2017 delivered the lowest average margin since 1998.

The last year to have no 100 point wins was 1973.

These are the margins yet to happen in the VFL/AFL:

189.
188.
187.
185.
184.
183.
182.
181.
180.
179.
177.
176.
175.
174.
173.
172.
170.
169.
167.
166.
159.
158.
156.
155.
154.
153.
149.
144.
136.

Regarding 100 point margins in the VFL/AFL:

EACH SEASON'S TRIPLE DIGIT WIN TOTAL AND AVERAGE.

PPG = POINTS PER GAME (IF MORE THAN ONE TRIPLE DIGIT WIN)

TRIPLE DIGIT WIN TALLIES PER YEAR IN PARENTHESES WHERE POSSIBLE

1899 = 278 POINTS OR 139 PPG (2)
1901 = 337 POINTS OR 112.33 PPG (3)
1902 = 117 POINTS
1906 = 107 POINTS
1911 = 239 POINTS OR 119.5 PPG (2)
1919 = 405 POINTS OR 135 PPG (3)
1926 = 267 POINTS OR 133.5 PPG (2)
1927 = 112 POINTS
1930 = 230 POINTS OR 115 PPG (2)
1931 = 168 POINTS (1)
1932 = 352 POINTS OR 117.3 PPG (3)
1933 = 332 POINTS OR 110.66 PPG (3)
1934 = 116 POINTS (1)
1936 = 102 POINTS (1)
1937 = 235 POINTS OR 117.3 PPG (2)
1939 = 107 POINTS (1)
1940 = 114 POINTS (1)
1942 = 244 POINTS OR 122 PPG (2)
1943 = 104 POINTS (1)
1944 = 664 POINTS OR 110.66 PPG (6)
1945 = 100 POINTS (1)
1946 = 215 POINTS OR 107.5 PPG (2)
1947 = 304 POINTS OR 101.66 PPG (3)
1948 = 212 POINTS OR 106 PPG (2)
1949 = 217 POINTS OR 108.5 PPG (2)
1950 = 214 POINTS OR 107 (2)
1951 = 103 POINTS (1)
1955 = 134 POINTS (1)
1958 = 120 POINTS (1)
1960 = 125 POINTS (1)
1961 = 103 POINTS (1)
1963 = 102 POINTS (1)
1964 = 376 POINTS OR 124 PPG (3)
1966 = 217 POINTS OR 108 PPG (2)
1967 = 215 POINTS OR 107.5 PPG (2)
1969 = 246 POINTS OR 123 PPG (2)
1970 = 110 POINTS (1)
1971 = 367 POINTS OR 122.66? PPG (3)
1972 = 108 POINTS (1)
1974 = 235 POINTS OR 117.5 PPG (2)
1975 = 225 POINTS OR 112.5 PPG (2)
1976 = 205 POINTS OR 102.5 PPG (2)
1977 = 522 POINTS OR 104.4 PPG (5)
1978 = 320 POINTS OR 106.66 PPG (3)
1979 = 804 POINTS OR 134 PPG (6)
1980 = 721 POINTS OR 120.16 PPG (6)
1981 = 558 POINTS OR 111.6 PPG (5)
1982 = 733 POINTS OR 122.16 PPG (6)
1983 = 998 POINTS OR 124.75 PPG (8)
1984 = 489 POINTS OR 122.25 PPG (4)
1985 = 925 POINTS OR 115.63 PPG (8)
1986 = 699 POINTS OR 116.5 PPG (6)
1987 = 851 POINTS OR 121.57 PPG (7)
1988 = 361 POINTS OR 120.33 PPG (3)
1989 = 526 POINTS OR 131.50 PPG (4)
1990 = 383 POINTS OR 127.66 PPG (3)
1991 = 1210 POINTS OR 121 PPG (10)
1992 = 1009 POINTS OR 126.12 PPG (8)
1993 = 756 POINTS OR 126 PPG (6)
1994 = 344 POINTS OR 114.66 PPG (3)
1995 = 703 POINTS OR 117.16 PPG (6)
1996 = 969 POINTS OR 121.12 PPG (8)
1997 = 460 POINTS OR 115 PPG (4)
1998 = 308 POINTS OR 102.66 PPG (3)
1999 = 332 POINTS OR 110.66 PPG (3)
2000 = 675 POINTS OR 112.5 PPG (6)
2001 = 338 POINTS OR 112.66 PPG (3)
2002 = 332 POINTS OR 110.66 PPG (3)
2003 = 240 POINTS OR 120 PPG (2)
2004 = 568 POINTS OR 113.6 PPG (5)
2005 = 595 POINTS OR 119 PPG (5)
2006 = 576 POINTS OR 115.2 PPG (5)
2007 = 599 POINTS OR 119.8 PPG (5)
2008 = 563 POINTS OR 112.6 PPG (5)
2009 = 117 POINTS (1)
2010 = 429 POINTS OR 107.25 PPG (4)
2011 = 1343 POINTS OR 134.3 PPG (10)
2012 = 1109 POINTS OR 123.22 PPG (9)
2013 = 969 POINTS OR 121.12 PPG (8)
2014 = 800 POINTS OR 114.29 PPG (7)
2015 = 465 POINTS OR 116.25 PPG (4)
2016 = 693 POINTS OR 115.5 PPG (6)
2017 = 525 POINTS OR 105 PPG (5)

If there are corrections needing done, please tell me.

 

[35Daicos]

Of seasons that produced at least one 100 point win, statistically, 2017 delivered the lowest average margin since 1998.

The last year to have no 100 point wins was 1973.

Regarding 100 point margins in the VFL/AFL:

EACH SEASON'S TRIPLE DIGIT WIN TOTAL AND AVERAGE.

PPG = POINTS PER GAME (IF MORE THAN ONE TRIPLE DIGIT WIN)

TRIPLE DIGIT WIN TALLIES PER YEAR IN PARENTHESES WHERE POSSIBLE

1947 = 203 POINTS OR 101.5 PPG (2)
1978 = 207 POINTS OR 103.5 PPG (2)

If there are corrections needing done, please tell me.

I make it 3 100 point + margins in 1947 and 1978.

 

[RedmanWasHere]

I make it 3 100 point + margins in 1947 and 1978.

Updated and edited.

Also, are these right?
Again, 100+ findings.

NORTH MELBOURNE : 5118 | 4886. 104.75 92. 23-0-21 P44.
MELBOURNE : 3637 | 5530. 65.77 56. 14-0-29 P43.

 

[35Daicos]

Updated and edited.

Also, are these right?
Again, 100+ findings.

NORTH MELBOURNE : 5118 | 4886. 104.75 92. 23-0-21 P44.
MELBOURNE : 3637 | 5530. 65.77 56. 14-0-29 P43.

I have North Melbourne 22-21, Melbourne 14-28.

 

[Dirty Bird]

Geelong are 0-5 in finals outside of Melbourne
4 of those teams won the premiership (Essendon '97, Adelaide '97, port Adelaide '04, Sydney '05) and the other won had their best result ever (Fremantle '13)

 

[red+black]

Best annual Attendance for Richmond
1,173,875 in 2001
1,144,540 in 2015
1,134,980 in 2013
1,119,779 in 2017*
1,023,821 in 1998

This will be the best ever attended season for Richmond.

 

[Catsace]

Geelong's first win over Sth Melb/Syd in a final last night.

Maybe it could be a year of records breaking, the Tigers smashed the Geelong hoodoo last week, and Geelong will need to overcome an interstate finals duck and also beating the Crows in September to advance to the GF.

 

[red+black]

Some interesting stats worthy of being added to *Paul*'s afltables.com site

Most Games Before Winning Final
https://afltables.com/afl/stats/alltime/misc_players.html#11

https://afltables.com/afl/stats/alltime/misc_goals.html
Most Games Kicking A Goal

Most Finals Kicking A Goal

Also need a Finals Totals and Averages page similar to https://afltables.com/afl/stats/players.html

eg. (Finals) Disposals
742 (26 finals) Sam Mitchell
689 (39) M Tuck
677 (28) J Bartel
609 (21) J Kennedy
601 (25*) J Selwood
586 (27) K Bartlett
586 (29) L Matthews
555 (33) S Burgoyne
551 (29) W Schimmelbusch
533 (20) D Swan
530 (23) J Lewis
516 (23) L Hodge
513 (28) A Goodes
512 (27) J McVeigh
502 (23) G Birchall
495 (25*) S Johnson

 

[red+black]

Preliminary Final Matchups
(similar to https://afltables.com/afl/teams/allteams/grandfinals.html#06a)

Under a final 8 system, 1st has always made the preliminary final.
Under the final 8 system since 2000, 1st and 2nd have always made the preliminary final.
The top 2 teams have met 10 times in the PF, yet 1st has only hosted 5 of those times.
Under the original final 8 system, not once did the top 4 all make the PF.
Under the revised final 8 system, 13 times in 18 years did the top 4 all make the PF.

| 1st | 2nd | 3rd | 4th | 5th | 6th | 7th | 8th
\ 1994-1999 (/6) |6|4|5|3|1|3|2|0
\ 2000-2017 (/18) |18|18|14|16|1|3|1|1
\ Overall (/24) | 24 | 22 | 19 | 19 | 2 | 6 | 3 | 1

PFs | 1994-1999 | 2000-2017 | Matchups
\ 3v4 | 2 | 9 | 11
\ 1v2 | 0 | 10 | 10
\ 2v4 | 0 | 6 | 6
\ 1v6 | 3 | 3 | 6
\ 1v3 | 0 | 5 | 5
\ 2x3 | 3 | 0* | 3
\ 1v7 | 2 | 0 | 2
\ 2v5 | 1 | 1 | 1
\ 1v4 | 1 | 0* | 1
\ 2v8 | 0 | 1 | 1
\ 4v7 | 0 | 1 | 1

NB: 0* - this PF matchup no longer possible

Preliminary Final Matchups 1994-2017 (by host team)

3v4 | 1v6 | 2v4 | 1v2 | 1v3 | 2v1 | 4v3
\ 7 | 6 | 6 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 4

 

[emuboy]

In 2016 in the NEAFL, the UWS Giants finished as premiers by beating the Sydney Swans in the Grand Final, while the Brisbane Lions finished last.

Fast forward 12 months, and the Brisbane Lions defeat the Sydney Swans in the 2017 NEAFL Grand Final to finish premiers, while the UWS Giants slide from premiers to last in one season.

 

[North park]

Adelaide and Richmond, who both play in Preliminary Finals this weekend, currently have the longest Grand Final droughts in the AFL.

Richmond has not appeared in a Grand Final since 1982, while Adelaide is next longest not appearing in one since 1998.

If both are successful this week, the longest drought will be shared by Carlton and North Melbourne - no Grand Final appearance for either since they met in 1999.

 

[North park]

This Friday's match will be the 11th time a Victorian team has traveled interstate for a Preliminary Final.

On the previous 10 occasions, the Victorian team has lost 8 times:

1994 - Melbourne lost to West Coast
1996 - Essendon lost to Sydney
2001 - Richmond lost to Brisbane
2004 - St.Kilda lost to Port Adelaide
2007 - North Melbourne lost to Port Adelaide
2012 - Collingwood lost to Sydney
2014 - North Melbourne lost to Sydney
2015 - North Melbourne lost to West Coast

However, the 2 wins have come in the last 2 years:

2015 - Hawthorn d Fremantle
2016 - Western Bulldogs d GWS

Also, Geelong has never played a Preliminary Final interstate, and Adelaide has only hosted a Preliminary Final once before - in 2006 when it lost to West Coast.

This Saturday's match will be the 16th time a non-Victorian team has traveled to Victoria for a Preliminary Final.

On the previous 15 occasions, the non-Victorian team has lost 9 times:

1990 - West Coast lost to Essendon
1993 - Adelaide lost to Essendon
1996 - Brisbane lost to North Melbourne
1999 - Brisbane lost to North Melbourne
2002 - Adelaide lost to Collingwood
2003 - Port Adelaide lost to Collingwood
2011 - West Coast lost to Geelong
2012 - Adelaide lost to Hawthorn
2014 - Port Adelaide lost to Hawthorn

And the non-Victorian team has won 6 times:

1991 - West Coast d Geelong
1997 - Adelaide d Western Bulldogs
1998 - Adelaide d Western Bulldogs
2004 - Brisbane d Geelong (this should have been a Brisbane home final)
2005 - Sydney d St.Kilda
2016 - Sydney d Geelong

Also, Richmond has never beaten a non-Victorian team in a Preliminary Final, and GWS has never played a Preliminary Final interstate.

 

[red+black]

I think you're missing quite a few matches.
eg. Sydney played 4 finals at the MCG in 1986/87.
WCE played 5 finals at Waverley in 1988/90.
Essendon played in Brisbane in 1996.

EDIT: my bad, first line of previous post clearly states preliminary finals.

 

[footyfan1978]

The wooden spoon team of 1980 season were the 4th highest scoring team of that season.

 

[Procrastinator35]

The wooden spoon team of 1980 season were the 4th highest scoring team of that season.

The Roys of that era had a potent attack but an appalling defense.

There's actually an even stranger anomaly still with regards 1980.

It's the only season in the competition's history where both the teams finishing first & second failed to reach the Grand Final.....Has never happened before nor since.....And can't happen this year either.

 

[footyfan1978]

Wow!!!
We were robbed at Kardinia Park, that is why.

 

[Procrastinator35]

Wow!!!
We were robbed at Kardinia Park, that is why.

Going out in straight sets by 7 & 8 goal margins respectively, suggests otherwise....At least the cats bowed out with less than a goal margin in the Preliminary Final.....Ouch.

 

[North park]

I think you're missing quite a few matches.
eg. Sydney played 4 finals at the MCG in 1986/87.
WCE played 5 finals at Waverley in 1988/90.
Essendon played in Brisbane in 1996.

This was a list only of Preliminary Finals between Victorian and non-Victorian clubs. It does not include other finals matches.

 

[footyfan1978]

Going out in straight sets by 7 & 8 goal margins respectively, suggests otherwise....

I was talking about being robbed of top spot by the dodgy shit that went on at Kardinia Park that saw them win by 5 points.
We should have been top of ladder and had the first week off. There was no Perovic, Keogh and Jimmy Buckley in week one final. Maybe a well earned week off is all we needed to refresh and re-load,
That actually changes the whole dynamics if had week off as we should have as we saw last year for Dogs when they got back a few players at perfect time.

Having said that it was not meant to be as it turned out. Season was cursed from start for things to go wrong.

 

[Procrastinator35]

I was talking about being robbed of top spot by the dodgy shit that went on at Kardinia Park that saw them win by 5 points.
We should have been top of ladder and had the first week off. There was no Perovic, Keogh and Jimmy Buckley in week one final. Maybe a well earned week off is all we needed to refresh and re-load,
That actually changes the whole dynamics if had week off as we should have as we saw last year for Dogs when they got back a few players at perfect time.

Having said that it was not meant to be as it turned out. Season was cursed from start for things to go wrong.

Yeah.....What goes around comes around.

Kernahan kicking that goal after the siren in round 22, of 1987, against the Roos out at waverley, was basically what decided the premiership that season.

 

[footyfan1978]

Yeah.....What goes around comes around.

I am still waiting 37 years for it to come around.
My therapist assures me it will not be much longer.

 

[red+black]

Most Finals Disposals
742 (26 finals) Sam Mitchell
689 (39) M Tuck
677 (28) J Bartel
634 (26) J Selwood
609 (21) J Kennedy

 

[Aramis]

Best annual Attendance for Richmond
1,173,875 in 2001
1,144,540 in 2015
1,134,980 in 2013
1,119,779 in 2017*
1,023,821 in 1998

This will be the best ever attended season for Richmond.

They are going to smash it... this was prior to a sold out MCG prelim and a potential GF.

 

[footyfan1978]

Carlton lowest score as premiers in 1979 season was the grand final score itself.

 

[Dirty Bird]

2017 afl grand final - 1st gf since the first in 1898 with no players with gf experience