Stats observations

[35Daicos]

From wooden spoon to finals:

North Adelaide in 2018 finished 5th and have so far made it into the preliminary

North just made it into the Grand Final, coming from 47 points down (I think it was) early in the 3rd quarter, to win by 5 points!

 

[Dirty Bird]

North just made it into the Grand Final, coming from 47 points down (I think it was) early in the 3rd quarter, to win by 5 points!

Hold on a second

red+black have any FINALS ever been overturned after the fact in any of the major leagues like the Fremantle/St Kilda game a few years back?

 

[35Daicos]

Hold on a second

red+black have any FINALS ever been overturned after the fact in any of the major leagues like the Fremantle/St Kilda game a few years back?

Amazing story, this one! I watched the whole game but didn't know about this controversy until a few minutes ago. North's comeback win was just fantastic, but there has to be a fair bit of doubt about the result now! I still can't imagine the SANFL would be prepared to overturn the result, but we'll see!!

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/no...y/news-story/0c1760bec118c14e80b7b6db810597ee

 

[Ron The Bear]

Most Finals Losses:
15 - Jarrad McVeigh (2004-18)
14 - Gordon Coventry (1920-37)
14 - Len Thompson (1965-80)
14 - Wayne Schimmelbusch (1973-87)
14 - Bruce Doull (1969-86)
14 - Shaun Burgoyne (2002-18, inc. SF)
13 - D Lee, J Dyer, M Tuck, A Goodes, B Harvey

I've got

16 - Len Thompson
15 - Jarrad Mc Veigh, Shaun Burgoyne, Wayne Richardson, Brad Johnson
14 - Wayne Schimmelbusch, Bruce Doull, Gordon Coventry
13 - Adam Goodes, Keith Greig, Michael Tuck, Brent Harvey, Justin Madden, Gavin Wanganeen, Ross Dunne, Jack Dyer, Dick Lee, Max Richardson

For wins

18 - Francis Bourke, Rodney Eade

 

[red+black]

I've got ...

Most of my stats should be good but some not so much as I'm not working with an actual database.

I have no doubt that your stats are accurate, feel free to double check anything I post.

 

[emuboy]

The signs of Melbourne making the 2018 Grand Final are good when you consider the results in the state leagues.

With the exception of the NEAFL where there isn't a red and blue team, in each of the major state leagues a red and blue team has made the Grand Final to be played next weekend.

Casey Demons will play the Box Hill Hawks in the VFL; Oakleigh Chargers play Dandenong Southern Stingrays in the TAC Cup; Norwood Redlegs are playing North Adelaide in the SANFL Grand Final; and in the WAFL Grand Final the West Perth Falcons will play Subiaco.

 

[kranger]

Well the AFL looks set to smash the attendance record for the finals series:

https://afltables.com/afl/crowds/summary.html

Even with the double grand final in 2010 due to the draw which resulted in an extra game there was only a total finals attendance of 650,000, this may be the first season to get over 700,000 attendants to finals.

But the average attendance should be about 77,000 per game which is the largest since 1981, the last true year of the VFL before South Melbourne moved to Sydney is 1982.

 

[red+black]

Well the AFL looks set to smash the attendance record for the finals series:

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/stats-observations.982508/page-175#post-57932788

 

[kranger]

Bugger


On iPhone using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[red+black]

This weekend should see:
- the 1st or 2nd largest Friday night preliminary final ever,
- the 2nd or 3rd largest aggregate attendance for a preliminary final weekend

Large preliminary final crowds:
- 108215 (1970), 107279 (1969), 103649 (1968), 102494 (1971)
- 99203 (1962), 98652 (1973), 98002 (2007), 96272 (1972)

As you can see from the table, the AFL policy on which team plays their PF first is not set in stone. More recently though, the highest winning QF team has played on the Friday, although that was not the case in 2012.
1994-96, 1999-2000, 2002, 2005-06, 2012: Highest winning QF team did not play their prelim first
2004: Brisbane played their home PF at the MCG due to policy at the time (when did this end?)
2008-09: only instances of Friday night and Saturday night prelims

 

[Dirty Bird]

Lets revisit this in 2 weeks time

The dream lives.

 

[giblj]

The signs of Melbourne making the 2018 Grand Final are good when you consider the results in the state leagues.

With the exception of the NEAFL where there isn't a red and blue team, in each of the major state leagues a red and blue team has made the Grand Final to be played next weekend.

Casey Demons will play the Box Hill Hawks in the VFL; Oakleigh Chargers play Dandenong Southern Stingrays in the TAC Cup; Norwood Redlegs are playing North Adelaide in the SANFL Grand Final; and in the WAFL Grand Final the West Perth Falcons will play Subiaco.

and in the TSL North Hobart won the wooden spoon

 

[worbod]

red+black - As you seem to have the full details of sanfl/wafl/vfl/afl, I was wondering if you could tell me which teams have gone from

wooden spoon to Premiers

and/or

wooden spoon to finals.

For the WAFL:

from wooden spoon to premier:

Swan Districts 1960 and 1961
Claremont 1963 and 1964
South Fremantle 1969 and 1970
West Perth 1974 and 1975

From wooden spoon to finals:

South Fremantle in 1905 finished 4th on the ladder, then lost 2nd semi
Perth in 1913 finished 3rd then finished runner up
Subiaco in 1917 finished 4th then lost 2nd semi
West Perth in 1925 finished 2nd then lost 1st semi
South Fremantle in 1945, after a winless season, finished 3rd then finished runner up
South Fremantle in 1962 finished 3rd then lost 1st semi
South Fremantle in 1967 finished 3rd then lost the preliminary
Subiaco in 1968 finished 4th then lost 1st semi
Swan Districts in 1987 finished 4th then lost 1st semi
South Fremantle in 1988 finished 3rd then lost 1st semi
West Perth in 1993 finished 1st then finished runner up
Swan Districts in 2017 finished 4th then lost 1st semi

 

[red+black]

The dream lives.

I don't know if the pre-finals bye is the sole reason but I think we should expect more top 4 teams to lose in straight sets and more 5-8 teams make the prelim. I think that's great for football. There's no real reason why any team can't win 4 games in September, the Bulldogs proved that in 2016.

 

[Schilthorn]

Interesting statistics after last weekend.

 

[Dirty Bird]

I don't know if the pre-finals bye is the sole reason but I think we should expect more top 4 teams to lose in straight sets and more 5-8 teams make the prelim. I think that's great for football. There's no real reason why any team can't win 4 games in September, the Bulldogs proved that in 2016.

I’m talking about north Adelaide from 5th

Has any team ever had 5 teams in a finals series?

North has beaten south, Sturt, woodville* and the sanfl* at tribunal so far!
Come on down norwood

 

[worbod]

At three stages during 1992, Tony Lockett and Jason Dunstall had the same number of career goals at the end of a round.

At the end of round 14, both had 733 goals (Lockett 152 games, Dunstall 158)
At the end of round 17, both had 748 goals (Lockett 155 games, Dunstall 161)
At the end of round 22, both had 775 goals (Lockett 160 games, Dunstall 166)

Not before or after did they have the same number of career goals at the end of any round.

 

[red+black]

Most hit outs in a season:
1083 - Max Gawn (2018)
1058 - Todd Goldstein (2015)
998 - Aaron Sandilands (2015)
996 - Sam Jacobs (2017)
989 - Brodie Grundy (2018, inc. PF)
952 - Gary Dempsey (1982)
928 - Max Gawn (2016)

Most clangers in a season:
125 - Lance Franklin (2008)
124 - Dustin Martin (2017)
115 - Scott Thompson (2012)
113 - Dustin Martin (2016)
107 - Dustin Martin (2018, inc. PF)
106 - Luke Parker (2017)
106 - Patrick Dangerfield (2017)
106 - Taylor Adams (2018, inc. PF)
104 - Elliot Yeo (2018, inc. QF)

Most one-percenters in a season:
259 - Josh Gibson (2011)
242 - Alex Rance (2017)
231 - Daniel Talia (2017)
230 - Dougal Howard (2018)
217 - Alex Rance (2018, inc. PF)
215 - Sam Rowe (2016)
214 - Daniel Talia (2016)

 

[footyfan1978]

1901, 1999 and 2018 are the only finals series I can find where minor premier fails to make grand final after one finals loss. Given traditional final five and final four systems had double chance to reach grand final 1931 to 1993 was not even possible as you had to be beaten twice not to make it. Before 1931 most years minor premier had right of challenge if lost a final so also effectively double chance. 1901 for some reason did not and Cats top of ladder lost one final and not in grand final.

 

[red+black]

Highest H&A Attendance: 6,893,909 (2018); 6,733,960 (2017); 6,525,071 (2011)

Highest Finals Series Attendance: 650,924 (2010); 615,283 (2009); 614,783 (2011) ... 540,763 (2018, 15th)
650,924 - (91446+91767+40350+59585 + 90152+72504 + 94959) = 110,161 more required for a Finals Series record

Highest Season Attendance: 7,434,672 (2018); 7,287,778 (2017); 7,146,738 (2010)
6,893,909 + 91446+91767+40350+59585 + 90152+72504 + 94959 = 7,434,672 (146,894 more than previous record in 2017)

 

[red+black]

1901, 1999 and 2018 are the only finals series I can find where minor premier fails to make grand final after one finals loss. Given traditional final five and final four systems had double chance to reach grand final 1931 to 1993 was not even possible as you had to be beaten twice not to make it. Before 1931 most years minor premier had right of challenge if lost a final so also effectively double chance. 1901 for some reason did not and Cats top of ladder lost one final and not in grand final.

Freo in 2015? https://afltables.com/afl/seas/2015.html#fin

re 1901, the first Argus system only lasted one year: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argus_finals_system#First_Argus_system

 

[footyfan1978]

Freo in 2015? https://afltables.com/afl/seas/2015.html#fin

Arghh yes, forgot them. Remember did not rate them so easy to forget.
That makes 4 teams in finals history that finished top of ladder and missed grand final losing once in series.

 

[red+black]

Lowest average finals score in the Final 8 era:
71.64 - 2018 (so far)
77.17 - 2005
81.28 - 2017
81.78 - 2001
82.28 - 2015

 

[red+black]

161st Game as Coach:
Mick Malthouse - Preliminary final (1990)
Nathan Buckley - Preliminary final (2018)

First Grand Final as Coach:
Mick Malthouse - 187th Game
Nathan Buckley - 162nd Game

First Grand Final Win as Coach:
Mick Malthouse - 212th Game
Nathan Buckley - ???

 

[red+black]

Highest Aggregate 1/2 Time Margin for a Preliminary Final Weekend:
107 - 2018 (CO > RI +44, WC > ME +63)
99 - 1995 (GE > RI +62, CA > NM +37)
84 - 1984 (ES > CO)
74 - 2001 (BR > RI +38, ES > HW +36)
68 - 2008 (HW > SK +47, GE > WB +21)
68 - 2010 (CO > GE +62, WB > SK +6)