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What's the biggest ever turnaround in two consecutive - ie lost won week to won the following week and vice versa - in margin?

Actually what is the biggest turnaround both ways?


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I have had a stats question sent to me by someone I know. He can't find the answer to this anywhere in his publications (including the AFL Record) or online. I do have Inside Football for the year in question and will look there for him (although I don't hold out much hope there either), but in the meantime I though I would ask the experts on BF. :) Here it is:

In the 5th round of 1978 at Western Oval, Footscray played Essendon. The Bulldogs trailed by 52 points during the second quarter and turned things around and went on to win the match 15.20-110 to 13.15-93. The Dogs had closed the gap by half-time to 27 points, Fsc 6.8-44 to Ess 11.5-71, so it was pretty much one-way traffic once the Doggies got going. I was hoping to find what the scores were when they were 52 points in arrears.
I haven't looked online myself I must admit, but I am assuming it isn't there - he is very thorough. I guess the only other option for him is the newspapers if all else fails.
 
sherb said:
I haven't looked online myself I must admit, but I am assuming it isn't there - he is very thorough. I guess the only other option for him is the newspapers if all else fails.
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A few people have asked for similar things on this forum, but scoring progressions weren't recorded until the last decade or so. So yeah, you'd have to hope that it's mentioned in a newspaper report (unlikely IMO), or perhaps someone has a video (again a bit unlikely, as Western Oval matches weren't often among the three games covered by TV each week in that era).
 

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sherb said:
I have had a stats question sent to me by someone I know. He can't find the answer to this anywhere in his publications (including the AFL Record) or online. I do have Inside Football for the year in question and will look there for him (although I don't hold out much hope there either), but in the meantime I though I would ask the experts on BF. :) Here it is:

In the 5th round of 1978 at Western Oval, Footscray played Essendon. The Bulldogs trailed by 52 points during the second quarter and turned things around and went on to win the match 15.20-110 to 13.15-93. The Dogs had closed the gap by half-time to 27 points, Fsc 6.8-44 to Ess 11.5-71, so it was pretty much one-way traffic once the Doggies got going. I was hoping to find what the scores were when they were 52 points in arrears.
I haven't looked online myself I must admit, but I am assuming it isn't there - he is very thorough. I guess the only other option for him is the newspapers if all else fails.
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The only options are:

F 1.5.11 E 10.3.63
F 1.6.12 E 10.4.64
F 1.7.13 E 10.5.65
F 2.5.17 E 11.3.69
F 2.6.18 E 11.4.70
F 2.7.19 E 11.5.71
 
One Eyed Sainter 66 said:
What's the biggest ever turnaround in two consecutive - ie lost won week to won the following week and vice versa - in margin?

Actually what is the biggest turnaround both ways?
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Diff|Club|Year|Rounds|Res1|Mgn1|Opp1|Res2|Mgn2|Opp2
\239|Ha|1991|6-7|W|157|Fi|L|82|WC
\235|Ha|1992|19-20|L|75|St|W|160|Es
\219|Me|1979|17-18|L|190|Fi|W|29|Es
\217|Es|1987|16-17|W|54|Ri|L|163|Sy
\210|Me|1991|1-2|L|79|WC|W|131|Fi
\206|Co|1979|3-4|L|28|NM|W|178|St
\206|PA|2007|PF-GF|W|87|NM|L|119|Ge
\205|Br|1993|7-8|L|43|Ha|W|162|Sy
\204|Ha|1982|3-4|W|143|WB|L|61|Ca
\201|WB|1979|15-16|W|79|St|L|122|Co
\199|Br|1993|8-10|W|162|Sy|L|37|Ad
\198|WC|2000|5-6|L|81|Ge|W|117|Fr
\197|WC|1995|18-19|L|62|NM|W|135|Ad
\195|WC|2000|4-5|W|114|Ad|L|81|Ge
\194|NM|1990|1-2|L|53|Me|W|141|Ri
\192|Sy|1955|4-5|L|58|Ri|W|134|St
\192|Es|1992|20-21|L|160|Ha|W|32|Me
\190|Es|1997|12-13|L|97|Fr|W|93|Ri
\189|Ad|1991|14-15|W|66|Br|L|123|Co
\188|Ge|1995|GF-1996 1|L|61|Ca|W|127|Me
\185|NM|1983|2-3|L|45|Fi|W|140|Sy
\185|Ha|1986|18-19|L|87|Es|W|98|Sy
\185|Fi|1991|20-21|W|59|Ri|L|126|Ha
 
UpForGrabs said:
OK - so Freo are now in the Grand Final. In 19 seasons they've still never been top of the ladder after a completed round of football.

Are they the first team to make the GF (let alone win the premiership) without ever being top of the ladder?
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If they win, yes, I think so.
 
UpForGrabs said:
OK - so Freo are now in the Grand Final. In 19 seasons they've still never been top of the ladder after a completed round of football.

Are they the first team to make the GF (let alone win the premiership) without ever being top of the ladder?
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red+black said:
If they win, yes, I think so.
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When did Adelaide first hit the top?
 
UpForGrabs said:
OK - so Freo are now in the Grand Final. In 19 seasons they've still never been top of the ladder after a completed round of football.

Are they the first team to make the GF (let alone win the premiership) without ever being top of the ladder?
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South Melbourne played in 1899 and didn't head the ladder until 1905.

I have these approximates for each club (year of first GF, total rounds #1 before first GF, rounds #1 in same year as first GF). There may be some slight differences to official ladders of the time where games were played out of sync with the round number, e.g. 1987 R16 & 17:

Adelaide 1997, 7, 1
Brisbane 2001, 6, 0
Carlton 1904, 1, 0
Collingwood 1901, 6, 6
Essendon 1898, 21, 14
Fremantle 2013, 0, 0
Geelong 1925, 26, 11
Gold Coast -, 0, -
GWS -, 0, -
Hawthorn 1961, 11, 5
Melbourne 1900, 14, 0
North Melbourne 1950, 2, 0
Port Adelaide 2004, 20, 3
Richmond 1919, 1, 1
St.Kilda 1913, 6, 0
Sydney 1899, 0, 0
West Coast 1991, 27, 24
Western Bulldogs 1954, 21, 4
Fitzroy 1898, 2, 0
University -, 1, -
 

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Ron The Bear said:
A few people have asked for similar things on this forum, but scoring progressions weren't recorded until the last decade or so. So yeah, you'd have to hope that it's mentioned in a newspaper report (unlikely IMO), or perhaps someone has a video (again a bit unlikely, as Western Oval matches weren't often among the three games covered by TV each week in that era).
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SJ said:
The only options are:
F 1.5.11 E 10.3.63
F 1.6.12 E 10.4.64
F 1.7.13 E 10.5.65
F 2.5.17 E 11.3.69
F 2.6.18 E 11.4.70
F 2.7.19 E 11.5.71
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Thanks for the responses guys. I'll let you know if we find out. :)

Here are the q by q scores for the game by the way:
Footscray 1.5 6.8 9.14 15.20 (110)
Essendon 5.3 11.5 12.13 13.15 (93)
 
Just on comebacks, it often seems a comeback is more likely when the team has been inaccurate infront of goal?

Just thinking of any stats that could confirm this kind of hunch? Maybe 50% -/+ accuracy chance to win from 30+ points behind at half time or something of that ilk?
 
We have had stats posted relating to the players who have played in front of the most people. How about a top 20 or so of the coaches who have coached in front of the most people (or, if you prefer, in amongst the most people, considering the location of coaches boxes).
 
RedmanWasHere said:
Ron The Bear and RogersResults, what were the first stats queries the 2 of you answered on here?
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On this board it appears to be
graps said:
Re: Post your stats questions here

Just wondering if anyone could tell me what the highest number of 300 game milestones reached in a single decade is?
Surely Adelaide is a chance with 4 this decade with Ben Hart, Mark Ricciuto, Andrew McLeod and Tyson Edwards.
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Probably answered a few on the main board before that.
 

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