Stats questions

Ron The Bear · Oct 18, 2020

Generalissimo said:
Brenton Sanderson

Brenton Sanderson

Age
51

Ht

185cm

Wt
90kg

Pos.
Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D
15.7

4

K
11.0

4

HB
4.6

3

M
4.8

5

T
1.4

3

No current season stats available

D
22.4

5

K
16.0

5

HB
6.4

4

M
6.4

5

T
1.6

4

kicked just 34 goals in his 14 year career, but never had a goalless season. I wonder what the record is for

* played N years
* never had a season without kicking at least one goal
* fewest total career goals

Seasons	Player	Career	Players
21	Harvey, Brent	215	1
20	Tuck, Michael	320	1
19	Burgoyne, Shaun	302	6
18	Ditterich, Carl	199	6
17	Burke, Nathan	124	19
16	Rischitelli, Michael/Wilson, Percy	91	26
15	Eade, Rodney	49	47
14	Sanderson, Brenton	34	67
13	Adcock, Jed	60	77
12	Heard, Shane	39	77
11	Jones, Warren	36	111
10	Welsh, Andrew	32	111
9	Hudson, Ben	19	122
8	Hawking, Fred	18	159
7	Jacobs, Ben	15	166
6	Nugent, Glenn	12	198
5	Donald, Bobby	5	274
4	Stubbs, Ron	5	247
3	8 players	3	450
2	51 players	2	683
1	640 players	1	1508

Ron The Bear · Oct 18, 2020

RedmanWasHere said:
What’s the biggest age gap between players who were coached by the same person?

Further, what’s the top 20 biggest age gaps?

Days	Coach	Player	Age	Player	Age
9339	Ricketts, Charlie	Stevens, Steve	17y205d	Cumberland, Vic	43y48d
8733	Hall, Alec	Maguire, Mick	15y328d	Leith, Jack	39y296d
8593	Sparrow, George	Roberts, Billy C.	19y146d	Cumberland, Vic	42y339d
8562	McHale, Jock	Collier, Albert	15y297d	Rowell, Ted	39y95d
8311	Barker senior, Syd	Bray, Ed	16y328d	Barker senior, Syd	39y239d
8120	Smith, Jimmy M.	Eicke, Wels	15y314d	Cumberland, Vic	38y34d
7906	Hird, James	Langford, Kyle	18y153d	Fletcher, Dustin	40y23d
7802	Thompson, Mark	Ablett junior, Gary	17y320d	Fletcher, Dustin	39y86d
7656	Condon, Dick	Lee, Dick	17y89d	Proudfoot, Bill	38y75d
7532	Stephen, Bill	Watson, Tim	15y305d	Rantall, John	36y167d
7519	Maher, Frank	Sharp, Mickey	17y273d	Hardy, Charlie	38y122d
7491	Whitten senior, Ted	Skreja, Harry	16y93d	Whitten senior, Ted	36y279d
7458	Hickinbotham, Dave	Grigg, Norm	17y318d	Rankin, Teddy	38y106d
7458	Sheedy, Kevin	Lloyd, Matthew	17y83d	Salmon, Paul	37y236d
7436	Jeans, Allan	Greene, Russell	16y311d	Tuck, Michael	37y77d
7397	Brittain, Wayne	Thornton, Bret	18y199d	Bradley, Craig	38y291d
7396	Joyce, Alan	Johnson, Brad	18y5d	Tuck, Michael	38y96d
7385	Olliver, Arthur	Wilson, Vern	17y140d	Morrison, Alby	37y221d
7346	Scanlan, Paddy	Green, Harry	16y301d	Fitzmaurice, Tom	36y343d
7342	Holden, George	Gibaud, Les	16y345d	Norris, Charlie	37y18d

RedmanWasHere · Oct 18, 2020

What I meant was the biggest gaps between players’ dates of birth?

Ron The Bear · Oct 18, 2020

RedmanWasHere said:
What I meant was the biggest gaps between players’ dates of birth?

Ah, that's not very intuitive. The list will be skewed towards long-serving coaches.

Days	Coach	Player	DOB	Player	DOB
19776	McHale, Jock	Rowell, Ted	15/06/1876	Stevens, Harvey	8/08/1930
18532	Hughes senior, Frank	Hislop, Max	25/08/1895	Alves, Stan	22/05/1946
16724	Malthouse, Mick	Duperouzel, Bruce	21/04/1950	Smith, Clem	3/02/1996
16104	Sheedy, Kevin	Carman, Phil	4/09/1950	Jaksch, Kristian	7/10/1994
15881	Kennedy, John J.	Crane, Len	7/02/1928	Romero, Jose	1/08/1971
15445	Barassi, Ron D.	Cox, Berkley	3/05/1935	Rocca, Anthony	15/08/1977
15315	Jeans, Allan	Young, Bill D.	6/06/1931	Daffy, Nick	11/05/1973
15204	Titus, Jack	Bolger, Martin	19/08/1906	Burgin, Graham	4/04/1948
14664	Smith, Norm W.	Smith, Norm W.	21/11/1914	Dempster, Graham	14/01/1955
14637	Hickey, Reg	Laver, Les	9/12/1900	Mundy, Fred	5/01/1941
14039	Carter, F. Wally	Adamson, Jim	1/08/1905	Ibrahim, John	8/01/1944
14028	Hall, Alec	Hall, Alec	4/01/1869	Hyde, Bert	3/06/1907
14017	Minogue, Dan	Mahoney, Bill	1/01/1885	O'Bryan, Arthur	20/05/1923
13834	Cazaly, Roy	Hiskins, Arthur	9/09/1886	Campbell, Thomas	26/07/1924
13506	Findlay, Bill	Cooper, Ron	8/06/1911	Thorpe, David	30/05/1948
13120	Parkin, David	Hudson, Peter	19/02/1946	Houlihan, Ryan	21/01/1982
13117	Eade, Rodney	Kickett, Derek	6/10/1962	Scrimshaw, Jack	4/09/1998
13072	Lahiff, Tommy	Lahiff, Tommy	31/07/1910	McAuliffe, Haydn	15/05/1946
12937	Rose, Bob	Gabelich, Ray	3/07/1933	Gloury, Brett	3/12/1968
12739	Matthews, Leigh	Cloke, David	28/01/1955	Henderson, Lachie	14/12/1989

RedmanWasHere · Oct 18, 2020

Ron The Bear said:
Ah, that's not very intuitive. The list will be skewed towards long-serving coaches.

Days Coach Player DOB Player DOB
19776 McHale, Jock Rowell, Ted
15/06/1876
Stevens, Harvey
8/08/1930
18532 Hughes senior, Frank Hislop, Max
25/08/1895
Alves, Stan
22/05/1946
16724 Malthouse, Mick Duperouzel, Bruce
21/04/1950
Smith, Clem
3/02/1996
16104 Sheedy, Kevin Carman, Phil
4/09/1950
Jaksch, Kristian
7/10/1994
15881 Kennedy, John J. Crane, Len
7/02/1928
Romero, Jose
1/08/1971
15445 Barassi, Ron D. Cox, Berkley
3/05/1935
Rocca, Anthony
15/08/1977
15315 Jeans, Allan Young, Bill D.
6/06/1931
Daffy, Nick
11/05/1973
15204 Titus, Jack Bolger, Martin
19/08/1906
Burgin, Graham
4/04/1948
14664 Smith, Norm W. Smith, Norm W.
21/11/1914
Dempster, Graham
14/01/1955
14637 Hickey, Reg Laver, Les
9/12/1900
Mundy, Fred
5/01/1941
14039 Carter, F. Wally Adamson, Jim
1/08/1905
Ibrahim, John
8/01/1944
14028 Hall, Alec Hall, Alec
4/01/1869
Hyde, Bert
3/06/1907
14017 Minogue, Dan Mahoney, Bill
1/01/1885
O'Bryan, Arthur
20/05/1923
13834 Cazaly, Roy Hiskins, Arthur
9/09/1886
Campbell, Thomas
26/07/1924
13506 Findlay, Bill Cooper, Ron
8/06/1911
Thorpe, David
30/05/1948
13120 Parkin, David Hudson, Peter
19/02/1946
Houlihan, Ryan
21/01/1982
13117 Eade, Rodney Kickett, Derek
6/10/1962
Scrimshaw, Jack
4/09/1998
13072 Lahiff, Tommy Lahiff, Tommy
31/07/1910
McAuliffe, Haydn
15/05/1946
12937 Rose, Bob Gabelich, Ray
3/07/1933
Gloury, Brett
3/12/1968
12739 Matthews, Leigh Cloke, David
28/01/1955
Henderson, Lachie
14/12/1989

I'm surprised at the Hudson-Houlihan connection and Kickett-Scrimshaw one.

Thank you RTB.

Generalissimo · Oct 18, 2020

Ron The Bear said:
15 Eade, Rodney 49 47
14 Sanderson, Brenton 34 67
13 Adcock, Jed 60 77

So my hunch about Sando was right and he's definitely the oddball on that list with just 2.42 goals per season compared with 3.27 and 4.62 for his two neighbours.

worbod · Oct 19, 2020

This week's grand final will contain many Richmond players who have played in a premiership, as well as, I think, five Geelong players. Which grand finals have contained the most premiership players? Essendon vs Hawthorn in 1985 would have to be a contender. To clarify: the 1984 grand final would probably not rank because none of the Essendon players were premiership players until the final siren sounded.

Strauchanside · Oct 20, 2020

worbod said:
This week's grand final will contain many Richmond players who have played in a premiership, as well as, I think, five Geelong players. Which grand finals have contained the most premiership players? Essendon vs Hawthorn in 1985 would have to be a contender. To clarify: the 1984 grand final would probably not rank because none of the Essendon players were premiership players until the final siren sounded.

Maybe the Hawthorn/North Melbourne Grand Final of 1978, given Hawks won 1976 and North 1975/77?

RedmanWasHere · Oct 20, 2020

Didn't know where to put this but, what SANFL clubs were allocated to Port Adelaide and Adelaide before PA became strictly the PA magoo's and Adelaide's magoo's debut circa 2014?

Also, what WAFL clubs were allocated to West Coast and Fremantle?

TYIA.

Falconista · Oct 21, 2020

RedmanWasHere said:
Didn't know where to put this but, what SANFL clubs were allocated to Port Adelaide and Adelaide before PA became strictly the PA magoo's and Adelaide's magoo's debut circa 2014?

Also, what WAFL clubs were allocated to West Coast and Fremantle?

TYIA.

From 2002-12 in the WAFL, players from other states were shared amongst the nine WAFL clubs. Generally the poorer performed clubs [Peel and Perth mainly] got extra players and sometimes first go at their choice of a draftee. I'm not sure if there was any more choice or nuance each club had in the matter.

There were previous alignment arrangements, Fremantle and South Freo in 1999 and East Perth-West Coast arrangement for a few years late nineties to early this century [maybe 99-01/02]. I'm not sure if any clubs had alignments before that.

Currently Peel Thunder is Freo's aligned team [since 2014] and West Coast had East Perth 2014-18 and West Coast Reserves in 2019. Both Peel and East Perth had the non-WA players in 2013 as a partial alignment but all players 2014 onwards.

RedmanWasHere · Oct 21, 2020

More asking along the lines of which non WA recruits were recruited to which WAFL clubs and SANFL likewise?

Ron The Bear · Oct 22, 2020

worbod said:
This week's grand final will contain many Richmond players who have played in a premiership, as well as, I think, five Geelong players. Which grand finals have contained the most premiership players? Essendon vs Hawthorn in 1985 would have to be a contender. To clarify: the 1984 grand final would probably not rank because none of the Essendon players were premiership players until the final siren sounded.

Players	Year	Home	Away
35/44	2011	Coll	Geel
33/40	1982	Carl	Rich
33/44	2014	Syd	Haw
32/38	1934	Rich	Syd
32/40	1985	Ess	Haw
32/44	1998	N.M.	Adel
29/40	1960	Melb	Coll
28/40	1969	Carl	Rich
27/40	1949	Carl	Ess
27/40	1978	Haw	N.M.
26/36	1905	Coll	Fitz

Dirty Bird · Oct 25, 2020

RedmanWasHere said:
Didn't know where to put this but, what SANFL clubs were allocated to Port Adelaide and Adelaide before PA became strictly the PA magoo's and Adelaide's magoo's debut circa 2014?

Also, what WAFL clubs were allocated to West Coast and Fremantle?

TYIA.

No one was allocated to either club.

If either club drafted someone with a connection to an SANFL club (either drafted directly, or a player returning home), they stay with that sanfl club alignment
While any player drafted from interstate went into a mini-draft and teams in the league select players in reverse ladder order.

I just found the 2010 mini-draft results.

2010 SANFL MINI-DRAFT

1. South Adelaide: Cameron O'Shea (Power) - 3rd Round draft pick

2. Port Magpies: Ben Jacobs (Power) - 1st Round draft pick

3. North Adelaide: Aaron Young (Power) - 2nd Round draft pick

4. West Adelaide: Ben Newton (Power) - 2nd Round draft pick

5. Sturt: Richard Tambling (Adelaide) - Traded from Richmond

6. Glenelg: Jarryd Lyons (Adelaide) - 4th Round draft pick

7. Woodville-West Torrens: Jarrad Irons (Power) - 3rd Round rookie draft pick

RedmanWasHere · Oct 25, 2020

So Port Adelaide's non SA draftees were picked by:

PA.
SA.
NA.
WA.
WWT.

While that left Adelaide with:

NOR.
STU.
GLEN.
CD.

Would that have always been the case?

RedmanWasHere · Oct 25, 2020

If there are any Freo or Eagles fans who see this, can they please PM me?

Dirty Bird · Oct 25, 2020

RedmanWasHere said:
So Port Adelaide's non SA draftees were picked by:

PA.
SA.
NA.
WA.
WWT.

While that left Adelaide with:

NOR.
STU.
GLEN.
CD.

Would that have always been the case?

No, anyone could play for anyone

At one point North Adelaide's backline was Tony Armstrong, Rory Sloane, Nick Gill, Greg Gallman and I'm pretty sure 1 other Crows player.

Falconista · Oct 26, 2020

RedmanWasHere said:
More asking along the lines of which non WA recruits were recruited to which WAFL clubs and SANFL likewise?

If drafted by Fremantle until 2012: shared amongst the nine WAFL clubs [excluding 1999]. As with the SANFL, you could end at any club. Most of West Coast's existence the same with the occasional formal alignment.

Looking at the 2010 draft:
FRE: Jayden Pitt -Perth, Viv Michie- Peel, Josh Mellington- West Perth, Michael Barlow- Peel, Alex Silvagni- Claremont, Jack Anthony- Subiaco, Gavin Roberts- Perth, Ben Bucovaz- East Fremantle
WCE: Andrew Gaff- South Fremantle, Scott Lycett- Peel

Godchin · Oct 26, 2020

Kevin Bartlett kicked 778 goals without a bag of 10. I'm assuming this is the highest?

Who has the most goals without kicking a bag of 9? 8? And so forth..

Ron The Bear · Oct 26, 2020

Godchin said:
Kevin Bartlett kicked 778 goals without a bag of 10. I'm assuming this is the highest?

Who has the most goals without kicking a bag of 9? 8? And so forth..

Think this one's been done before, but

Best	Player	Career
18	Fanning, Fred	411
17	Coventry, Gordon	1299
16	Lockett, Tony	1360
15	Pratt, Bob	681
14	Ablett senior, Gary	1031
13	Wade, Doug	1057
12	Moriarty, Jack	662
11	Matthews, Leigh	915
10	Titus, Jack	970
9	Riewoldt, Nick	718
8	Bartlett, Kevin	778
7	Hawkins, Tom	603
6	O'Loughlin, Michael	521
5	Grant, Shannon	361
4	Davis, Leon	270
3	Eason, Bill	187
2	Sandilands, Aaron	98
1	Lumumba, Heritier	30

emuboy · Oct 27, 2020

This week WAFL club Claremont Tigers appointed former Richmond and Fremantle player Ashley Prescott as their senior coach for 2021. Prescott previously coached Claremont from 2004-2007, returning an amazing 13 years after his last coaching tenure at this club. Obviously the world is a very different place now from what it was back then.

At AFL/VFL level, does anyone know of any cases of coaches who returned for a second tenure at a club so many years after the first, or any other similar examples in the SANFL, VFL/VFA or WAFL?

GrahamClayton · Oct 27, 2020

AFLW player Jamie Stanton has played for three clubs during their debut season in the competition - Brisbane (2017), North Melbourne (2019) and Gold Coast (2020). Have any other AFLW or AFL players matched this?

emuboy · Oct 27, 2020

GrahamClayton said:
AFLW player Jamie Stanton has played for three clubs during their debut season in the competition - Brisbane (2017), North Melbourne (2019) and Gold Coast (2020). Have any other AFLW or AFL players matched this?

The only AFL player I could find close to this was Mark Mickan, who played in the debut season for the Brisbane Bears in 1987 and the Adelaide Crows in 1991.

Randall Stevens · Oct 28, 2020

emuboy said:
This week WAFL club Claremont Tigers appointed former Richmond and Fremantle player Ashley Prescott as their senior coach for 2021. Prescott previously coached Claremont from 2004-2007, returning an amazing 13 years after his last coaching tenure at this club. Obviously the world is a very different place now from what it was back then.

At AFL/VFL level, does anyone know of any cases of coaches who returned for a second tenure at a club so many years after the first, or any other similar examples in the SANFL, VFL/VFA or WAFL?

Bob Rose coached Collingwood from 1964-71, then returned in 1985, before handing over to Leigh Matthews early in ‘86. He also had a stint at Footscray in the early - mid ‘70s.

Falconista · Oct 28, 2020

Randall Stevens said:
Bob Rose coached Collingwood from 1964-71, then returned in 1985, before handing over to Leigh Matthews early in ‘86. He also had a stint at Footscray in the early - mid ‘70s.

And before Rose was John Cahill who had 13 years between V/AFL jobs, finishing at Collingwood in 84 and coaching Port Adelaide in 97. Not the same club, but like Prescott a long gap between coaching in the same competition.

Strauchanside · Oct 28, 2020

Falconista said:
And before Rose was John Cahill who had 13 years between V/AFL jobs, finishing at Collingwood in 84 and coaching Port Adelaide in 97. Not the same club, but like Prescott a long gap between coaching in the same competition.

Not quite the same, but Bill Stephen had three separate stints as coach of Fitzroy with almost a decade in between each, 1955-57, 1965-70, and finally from 1979-80.

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