Stats questions

[Ron The Bear]

Including draws:

GF Year  Cb
-----------
67 1951  Es
66 1950  Es
66 1989  Ha
62 1930  Co
62 1934  Ri
62 1949  Es
62 1960  Me
59 1988  Ha
58 2004  Br
57 1991  Ha
56 1959  Me
56 1948R Es
55 1937  Co
52 1977R NM
51 1939  Co
50 1987  Ha
50 1958  Me

Excluding draws:

GF Year Cb
----------
66 1989 Ha
62 1930 Co
62 1934 Ri
62 1960 Me
59 1988 Ha
58 2004 Br
57 1951 Es
57 1991 Ha
56 1959 Me
55 1937 Co
54 1950 Es
51 1939 Co
50 1958 Me
50 1987 Ha

Greatest differences:

Df Year Cb GF Cb GF R
---------------------
67 1951 Es 67 Ge  0 L
66 1950 Es 66 NM  0 W
66 1989 Ha 66 Ge  0 W
59 1930 Co 62 Ge  3 W
59 1988 Ha 59 Me  0 W
57 1991 Ha 57 WC  0 W
52 2004 Br 58 PA  6 L
51 1939 Co 51 Me  0 L
46 1937 Co 55 Ge  9 L
46 1959 Me 56 Es 10 W
43 1933 Ri 45 Sy  2 L
43 1934 Ri 62 Sy 19 W
41 1909 Ca 49 Sy  8 L
41 1960 Me 62 Co 21 W
38 1949 Es 62 Ca 24 W
36 1938 Co 44 Ca  8 L
36 1974 Ri 41 NM  5 W
35 1919 Co 35 Ri  0 W

 

[RogersResults]

No home team wins? Surely this must be the first time this has ever happened with at least 6 matches being played?

1947 round 10 - all (real) home teams lost.
Fitzroy lost to Carlton at Brunswick Street.
St Kilda lost to Collingwood at the Junction Oval
Footscray lost to Richmond at the Western Oval
Nth Melbourne lost to Geelong at Arden Street.
Hawthorn lost to Essendon at Glenferrie Oval.
Melbourne lost to Sth Melbourne at the MCG.

1978 round 20
Essendon lost to Melbourne at Windy Hill
Hawthorn lost to St Kilda at Waverley
Nth Melbourne lost to Carlton at Arden Street
Richmond lost to Collingwood at the MCG
Sth Melbourne lost to Geelong at the Lake Oval
Footscray lost to Fitzroy at the Western Oval

1980 round 1
Collingwood lost to Carlton at Victoria Park
Essendon lost to Nth Melbourne at Windy Hill
Geelong lost to Sth Melbourne at Kardinia Park
Hawthorn lost to Richmond at Princes Park
St Kilda lost to Melbourne at Waverley
Footscray lost to Fitzroy at the Western Oval

These are they only occasions in a 12 or more team competition where a round has comprised all
teams in the competition and where all 'home' teams lost.

The 16 team competition had two full rounds where 7 home teams lost - round 7 2001 and (Adelaide were the only home winners) round 11 2008 (Brisbane were the only home winners.)

 

[Ron The Bear]

The 16 team competition had two full rounds where 7 home teams lost - round 7 2001 and (Adelaide were the only home winners) round 11 2008 (Brisbane were the only home winners.)

+ Round 10, 2011 (17 teams, incl. Richmond losing to Port in Darwin)

 

[McCrann]

1947 round 10 - all (real) home teams lost.
Fitzroy lost to Carlton at Brunswick Street.
St Kilda lost to Collingwood at the Junction Oval
Footscray lost to Richmond at the Western Oval
Nth Melbourne lost to Geelong at Arden Street.
Hawthorn lost to Essendon at Glenferrie Oval.
Melbourne lost to Sth Melbourne at the MCG.

1978 round 20
Essendon lost to Melbourne at Windy Hill
Hawthorn lost to St Kilda at Waverley
Nth Melbourne lost to Carlton at Arden Street
Richmond lost to Collingwood at the MCG
Sth Melbourne lost to Geelong at the Lake Oval
Footscray lost to Fitzroy at the Western Oval

1980 round 1
Collingwood lost to Carlton at Victoria Park
Essendon lost to Nth Melbourne at Windy Hill
Geelong lost to Sth Melbourne at Kardinia Park
Hawthorn lost to Richmond at Princes Park
St Kilda lost to Melbourne at Waverley
Footscray lost to Fitzroy at the Western Oval

These are they only occasions in a 12 or more team competition where a round has comprised all
teams in the competition and where all 'home' teams lost.

The 16 team competition had two full rounds where 7 home teams lost - round 7 2001 and (Adelaide were the only home winners) round 11 2008 (Brisbane were the only home winners.)

Cool - so its the first time in the era of the National Competition. (Although, of course with the rider of 6 byes).

 

[The Passenger]

good stuff rtb re; the grand finals.

i was really expecting a couple of teams to crack than 100 barrier. no team has even really got close. interestingly that the biggest difference in grand final experience resulted in a loss to the experienced team, which is a bit of anomaly amongst those highest differences.

i most really underrate the turnover of squads cause i was thinking geelongs team last years would've cracked the 50 mark... doing a quick count it looks like they'd be ~40.

collingwood this year would have a serious crack at the 50 mark given they had the draw, and it will be 4 in 3 years if they make it so less turnover of players. luke ball out will cost them 3 and leon davis gone 2....

 

[Armitage2Riewoldt]

May have been asked but just had a random thought.

What's the largest score differential between a single player and the opposition team (which would have lost). Like we often see 'Buddy Franklin 13 goals defeated North ## goals'.

However % wise, Milne's 8.2.50 must be up there against Adelaide's 3.6.24 last year.

For simplicity's sake let's keep the Saints first few years out of this Think a couple may have beaten that record when we lost to Geelong like 0.1.1 to 179 or something ridiculous.

 

[stemline]

Ron The Bear (or anyone else who knows), please let me know how you are posting code... since the site upgrade I can't get it to work properly - I'm trying to paste fairly simple data in from excel, but can't get it to maintain the columns.
Really appreciate it, thanks!

 

[Ron The Bear]

Ron The Bear (or anyone else who knows), please let me know how you are posting code... since the site upgrade I can't get it to work properly - I'm trying to paste fairly simple data in from excel, but can't get it to maintain the columns.
Really appreciate it, thanks!

I've just been typing the tags manually, i.e. [ CODE] before the start of the data and [ /CODE] at the end of the data (without the space after the '[').

 

[stemline]

Hmm, ok I don't know what I'm doing wrong then.

 

[*Paul*]

What's the largest score differential between a single player and the opposition team

I don't have behinds for any games pre-1974.

66 Harold Robertson     v St Kilda               R12,1919
65 Jim McShane          v St Kilda               R17,1899
55 Bob Merrick          v Melbourne              R16,1919
53 Doug Strang          v North Melbourne        R2,1931
52 Tony Lockett         v Fitzroy                R19,1995
50 Tony Modra           v Richmond               R16,1993
47 Tony Lockett         v Adelaide               R7,1991
45 Vin Gardiner         v St Kilda               R15,1911
43 Dick Lee             v University             R14,1914
40 Gordon Coventry      v Hawthorn               R13,1929

Post war only, unsurprisingly the all time record came opposite St Klida's 0.1 in 1899, where
Jim McShane kicked 11.something for 6600+%

300.00 William Young               v Richmond            R16,1961
300.00 Roger Duffy                 v Fitzroy             R5,1953
300.00 Jack Collins                v Fitzroy             R5,1953
300.00 Alan Morrow                 v Richmond            R16,1961
261.54 Kurt Tippett                v Fremantle           R15,2009
256.25 Tony Modra                  v Richmond            R16,1993
252.63 Ted Fordham                 v Sydney              R18,1964
251.61 Tony Lockett                v Adelaide            R7,1991
246.15 Jason Porplyzia             v Fremantle           R15,2009
225.00 Peter McKenna               v Carlton             R19,1970
218.18 Tony Lockett                v Fitzroy             R19,1995
218.18 Athol Webb                  v St Kilda            R16,1957
208.33 Stephen Milne               v Adelaide            R18,2011
200.00 John Peck                   v Western Bulldogs    R11,1964

 

[SJ]

Ron The Bear (or anyone else who knows), please let me know how you are posting code... since the site upgrade I can't get it to work properly - I'm trying to paste fairly simple data in from excel, but can't get it to maintain the columns.
Really appreciate it, thanks!

Try using the BB Code Editor (no formatting) when you paste it in (click the A in the top right of the reply box).

Also for the gurus in here, you can have formatting within your CODE tags by using CODE=rich in square brackets.

 

[*Paul*]

It's possible Excel is spacing its columns with tabs, which the code tag doesn't interpret as intended.

 

[Ron The Bear]

With minor updates to Paul's list.

Df Year Rd Player            Cb  G  B  Pt Op  G  B Pt
-----------------------------------------------------
67 1919 12 Robertson, Harold Sy 14. 1. 85 St  2. 6.18
65 1899 SR McShane, Jim      Ge 11. ?. 66 St  0. 1. 1
56 1911 15 Gardiner, Vin     Ca 10.11. 71 St  2. 3.15
55 1919 16 Merrick, Bob      Fi 12. ?. 72 Me  2. 5.17
55 1931  2 Strang, Doug      Ri 14. 2. 86 NM  4. 7.31
52 1995 19 Lockett, Tony     Sy 16. 0. 96 Fi  6. 8.44
50 1993 16 Modra, Tony       Ad 13. 4. 82 Ri  4. 8.32
47 1991  7 Lockett, Tony     St 12. 6. 78 Ad  4. 7.31
45 1929 13 Coventry, Gordon  Co 16. 5.101 Ha  7.14.56
43 1914 14 Lee, Dick         Co 11. ?. 66 Un  3. 5.23
42 1969 19 McKenna, Peter    Co 16. 4.100 Sy  6.22.58
38 1924  8 Irwin, Vince      Es 10. 9. 69 St  3.13.31
38 1925 14 Davie, Harry      Me 13. 5. 83 Ca  6. 9.45
37 1921 12 Clover, Horrie    Ca 13. 3. 81 St  5.14.44
37 1929  3 Coventry, Gordon  Co 11. 9. 75 Sy  4.14.38
35 1954  7 Coleman, John     Es 14. 5. 89 Fi  7.12.54

 

[UpForGrabs]

Just checking some Barry Cable stats on Paul's site, and it mentions that in the 1975 GF, Cable had 17 hitouts.

Surely you jest?

 

[Bluish]

Must be meant for Big Mick Nolan (he's listed with none at the moment.)

 

[*Paul*]

How could have they lied to me?. Probably was Nolan, at any rate it's going to be now.

 

[Gibbsy]

Wow, those old stat sheets are awesome. "Rating?" An early DT/SC precursor?

 

[UpForGrabs]

How could have they lied to me?. Probably was Nolan, at any rate it's going to be now.

Unless of course Big Mick carried Barry on his shoulders the whole game.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Wow, those old stat sheets are awesome. "Rating?" An early DT/SC precursor?

Just a rating out of 10. The Sun had "SunScore"; Inside Football still uses a similar system. Problem is, some journo's allot points more freely than others, especially to the winning team. Bruce Matthews was a notoriously hard marker.

 

[The Passenger]

Wow, those old stat sheets are awesome. "Rating?" An early DT/SC precursor?

tough marker. barry cable 15 kicks, 10 handballs, 4 marks and 17 hit outs () only good for a 5....

 

[damuzzdu]

Can someone list the seasons where teams went a whole season without a win? tks

 

[RogersResults]

Can someone list the seasons where teams went a whole season without a win? tks

St Kilda 1897,1898,1899, 1902
University 1913, 1914
Melbourne 1919
Nth Melbourne 1926, 1931, 1934
Hawthorn 1928, 1950
Fitzroy 1964

 

[UpForGrabs]

Was listening to today's Mondayitis podcast, and as usual the boys threw up some claims which I dispute.

Today's was that in 150+ years of footy the one thing which hasn't improved is kicking for goal.

As I showed in my WAFL thread, accuracy has improved in the WAFL to the extent that only as recently as 2010, a record was set for the most accurate season.

Anyone (Roger, Paul, Ron) got similar stats for the VFL/AFL? Would be surprised if the trend didn't somewhat follow the WAFL.

 

[SJ]

Was listening to today's Mondayitis podcast, and as usual the boys threw up some claims which I dispute.

Today's was that in 150+ years of footy the one thing which hasn't improved is kicking for goal.

As I showed in my WAFL thread, accuracy has improved in the WAFL to the extent that only as recently as 2010, a record was set for the most accurate season.

Anyone (Roger, Paul, Ron) got similar stats for the VFL/AFL? Would be surprised if the trend didn't somewhat follow the WAFL.

Accuracy has definitely improved in the past 150 years.

The problem is really in the definition. Can you define accuracy purely as goals as a proportion of all scoring shots?

 

[UpForGrabs]

Accuracy has definitely improved in the past 150 years.

The problem is really in the definition. Can you define accuracy purely as goals as a proportion of all scoring shots?

In its simplest form, you could.

Obviously there's other factors to take into account such as OOF kicks, position of where the kicks were taken from etc. But since that data isn't readily available, and also considering that OOF is a relatively recent introduction to the game, goals as a proportion of scoring shots is a good start.