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In the Hawthorn vs North Melbourne round 10 clash this season, North led by 12 points at one stage before losing by 115 points. What are the biggest known leads a team has surrendered before losing by 100 points or more?
 

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With that Gehrig game, I believe he took a mark and was lining up for goal when a team mate (I'm thinking Milne for some reason) did something stupid and gave away a free kick.
 
Coming into last night Scott Selwood had never recieved a brownlow vote, and then topped his clubs vote getting.

how many people have done that? obviously the first year of brownlow voting they all did, and when there was only one vote per game there was probably a few who done it, but since going to 3-2-1 system i couldn't imagine too many have done it.
 
Black Thunder said:
Coming into last night Scott Selwood had never recieved a brownlow vote, and then topped his clubs vote getting.

how many people have done that? obviously the first year of brownlow voting they all did, and when there was only one vote per game there was probably a few who done it, but since going to 3-2-1 system i couldn't imagine too many have done it.
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Actually not that uncommon, I make it as 60 times (excluding 38 in their debut year), 13 of those under the one vote system.

Before Selwood, the last was Jason Winderlich, 2009
Adam McPhee, 2004
and Nick Riewodlt, 2002
since 2000.
 
This is a graph regarding scoring in Hurling, a traditional Irish sport. Just wondering if there is anything similar for VFL/AFL.

Hurling_Scoring.png
 

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Great work, cheers! Although, "points" in hurling are much like behinds in Aussie Rules, and that's what I was more aiming for, (behinds rather than total points) but, either way, I imagine it'd paint a pretty similar picture.
 
That's very interesting at first look. The spike during the late sixties and early seventies is notable on how accuracy finally exceeds 50%.

One last request, would it be possible to use a multiplier with the behind/goals ratio? Perhaps multiply it by 6 or so, so that it can be more easily read?
 

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Apologies if this has been covered already...

In which years has there been a team which both the premier and runner-up failed to beat at all that season? I of course talk about Richmond this year, which convincingly won its meetings with both Hawthorn and Sydney this year.

The last year I can think of, off the top of my head, where it occured was 1995- Carlton and Geelong both lost their only meetings with St Kilda that year.
 
Doss said:
Apologies if this has been covered already...

In which years has there been a team which both the premier and runner-up failed to beat at all that season? I of course talk about Richmond this year, which convincingly won its meetings with both Hawthorn and Sydney this year.

The last year I can think of, off the top of my head, where it occured was 1995- Carlton and Geelong both lost their only meetings with St Kilda that year.
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A list of teams that defeated both the Premiers and the Runner-up is here:

(Scroll to bottom of page.)
 
Thanks RR, I completely overlooked 2003, 2001 and 1998.

It actually occured very frequently between 1992 and 2003- in seven out of twelve seasons, in fact.

Interesting that it never occured before 1954.
 
RogersResults said:
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Percentage of scores each season with more behinds than goals- AFL 1897-2012.​
High: 77.86% in 1898 - Low: 28.11% in 2002​
First season below 50% - 1938 (45.54%)​
Last season above 50% - 1970 (51.47%)​
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Interesting that although scoring increased during the 30's it reverted back to type for around a 30 year period until 1969, where a precipitous drop in inaccuracy is revealed in this graph. Could one suggest the out of bound on the full rule changed accuracy quite significantly?

And for those who lament the bad kicking of footy nowadays...it has improved steadily from the 70's up to perhaps the time defensive press/stoppage footy came to vogue.
 
Catsace said:
Interesting that although scoring increased during the 30's it reverted back to type for around a 30 year period until 1969, where a precipitous drop in inaccuracy is revealed in this graph. Could one suggest the out of bound on the full rule changed accuracy quite significantly?

And for those who lament the bad kicking of footy nowadays...it has improved steadily from the 70's up to perhaps the time defensive press/stoppage footy came to vogue.
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Possible factors affecting accuracy:
Skill level - current players have much, much more time to practice than when they were only footballers part-time. Noting that during the depression of the 1930s for some players, football was sometimes their only paid occupation and they may have had more time to practice kicking for goal.

Ground maintenance - the science and resources available for modern day ground management makes for much better playing conditions compared to the often mud heaps of the past.

The wind - matches today are played in stadiums with much less exposure to the wind.

Climatic variation - wetter seasons make for conditions less conducive to accurate scoring - in the last 30-40 years where most of the matches have been played has seen on average drier and warmer weather conditions. Wet conditions also lead to less marks and less set shots for goal.

Footballs - until around the 1970s only one or two balls on particularly wet days were used. As matches went on balls became greasier and water-logged making accurate kicking more difficult.

Rules changes - the period 1925-1938 when there was a free kick against the team that forced the ball out of bounds (not just 'on the full') and no boundary throw-ins may have led to more open play and higher scoring. There was concern that the scoring was getting out of hand and that it should be curtailed which is why the rule was dropped. That lower scoring did not eventuate in the seasons immediately afterwards was probably due to a period of decreased rainfall.

The 'out of bounds on the full' rule introduced in 1969 coincided with a dry year but appears to have favoured attack over defence.
 

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