Stats questions

[Ron The Bear]

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At the moment the bottom 6 teams do not have a win between them, has this occured before?

After Round 3? Not that I can find. Lowest was one win in 1991 (15 teams, 18 matches) and 1995.

Edit: RR's turn to beat me!

 

[red+black]

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At the moment the bottom 6 teams do not have a win between them, has this occured before?

Looking at the draw, St Kilda, Richmond, Brisbane Lions, North Melbourne, Port Adelaide and Gold Coast should all be without a win after Round 4. Only chances are Port over the Crows and maybe North in an upset over at Subi against Freo.

This will all change in Round 5 as miraculously these six sides all play each other. Brisbane Lions v St Kilda, Port Adelaide v Gold Coast and North Melbourne v Richmond.

Interestingly, 4 of the six sides again play each other in Round 6 with North Melbourne v Port Adelaide and Richmond v Brisbane Lions.

My question is, which of the bottom 6 will still be winless after Round 6? (Gold Coast goes without saying). St Kilda should defeat Brisbane, but then again, they could be winless after 8 rounds.

 

[SugarShane]

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Full list

Ma Player             Cb Year Rd
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21 Coleman, John      Es 1949 GF
21 Jakovich, Allen    Me 1992 20
22 White, Lindsay     Sy 1942  5
22 Modra, Tony        Ad 1993 15
23 Margitich, George  Me 1931  6
24 Hudson, Peter      Ha 1968  7
26 Moloney, George M. Ge 1932  5
26 Beasley, Simon     WB 1983  6
27 Moriarty, Jack     Fi 1924 16
28 Davie, Harry       Me 1926  6
28 Morrison, Alby     WB 1929 14
28 Reynolds, Tom      Es 1939  5
28 Curtin, Claude     Fi 1941 11
28 O'Brien, Noel      Ca 1955 14
28 Evans, Ron B.      Es 1959 SF
28 Jackson, Mark      Me 1982  8
28 Murray, Sel        NM 1939  7
29 Young, Bill D.     St 1957 13
29 Wade, Doug         Ge 1962 14
29 Taylor, Brian      Ri 1984  2
30 Merrick, Bob       Fi 1921  5
30 Salmon, Paul       Es 1986  4
30 Rocca, Saverio     Co 1993 22

Great, that's exactly what i was looking for! Thanks also to Slattery_20 and emuboy. Knew Modra would have to be close!

 

[The Passenger]

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just a quickie.

if a sub doesn't get used this year, does it still count as a game played??

i assume so, otherwise it will throw things slightly out of whack. i.e. totals games played for each team after h&a rounds won't be 484 (does that even matter really??)

 

[Supermercado]

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And more importantly does the Consecutive Games record lose all credibility once the top contenders have played games as subs?

 

[*Paul*]

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just a quickie.

if a sub doesn't get used this year, does it still count as a game played??

Did in the past. Just looking at 1975, there were 100+ instances of players returning no stats - presumably most of these were as a result of a non-playing sub appearance.

 

[Donners]

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Yeah, that was the first thing I wondered when I saw the 1975 stats, and that was my impression too.

 

[red+black]

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I had only a quick search around, but alas,

1 - most draws in a season?
2 - earliest round in a season that the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc draws have occurred?
3 - most draws in a season where no team played in 2 draws?
4 - which teams have played in the most draws?
5 - which combination of teams have played in the most draws against each other?
6 - which players have played in 5 or more draws?

 

[RogersResults]

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I had only a quick search around, but alas,

1 - most draws in a season? 5 in 1921
2 - earliest round in a season that the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc draws have occurred? 2 draws round 1 1914, 3 draws by round 2 1911, 4 draws by round 5 1921 (the 5th draw came in round 17)
3 - most draws in a season where no team played in 2 draws? Someone else can have this one.
4 - which teams have played in the most draws? Essendon has the most draws - 34 and the highest percentage of matches played as draws (1.49%).
5 - which combination of teams have played in the most draws against each other? Carlton and Sydney/SM have drawn each other 6 times. (I'll leave the rest on 5 times for now.)
6 - which players have played in 5 or more draws? (Bear's business)

 

[Ron The Bear]

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3 - most draws in a season where no team played in 2 draws? Someone else can have this one.

Three
1961 (Co,Es,Ge,Me,NM,Fi)
1996 (Br,Es,Ge,Ha,Sy,WB)
2011 (Ca,Es,Me,Ri,St,Sy)

6 - which players have played in 5 or more draws? (Bear's business)

With career matches and match number of last draw. Dustin Fletcher equalled his old man's tally of 5 today.

D Player            Club(s)     CMa LDr
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7 Davis, Barry      Es,NM       289 225
7 Hutchison, Bill   Es          290 198
7 Johnson, Brad     WB          364 304
6 Valentine, Viv    Ca          116  96
6 Jamieson, Ernie   Ca          125  81
6 McDonald, Andy    Ca          146  80
6 Lethbridge, Chris Fi          148 134
6 Beckton, Norm     Es          173 152
6 Freake, Jimmy     Fi          174 138
6 Lane, Gordon      Es,Sy       178 173
6 Buttsworth, Wally Es          188 178
6 Haines, George    Ge,Me,St    194 180
6 Gallagher, Adrian Ca,WB,NM    220 192
6*Hayes, Lenny      St          241 241
6 McKenzie, Don     Es          266 202
6 Lappin, Nigel     Br          279 273
6 Jesaulenko, Alex  Ca,St       279 259
6 Wanganeen, Gavin  Es,PA       300 280
6 Akermanis, Jason  Br,WB       325 272
6 Nicholls, John    Ca          328 320
6 Grant, Chris      WB          341 339
6 Quinlan, Bernie   WB,Fi       366 261
5 Wells, Jack       St,Ca       105 104
5 Fisher, Charlie   Ca          111  97
5 English, Vin      Ca          115 112
5 Millen, Roy       Fi          117 111
5 Devine, John      Ge          118  79
5 Lord, Alistair    Ge          122  91
5 Mills, Jack       Ca          124 110
5 Cummings, Scott   Es,PA,WC,Co 128 104
5 Laing, Roy        Es          131 112
5 Wooller, Fred     Ge          132 127
5 Vinar, Paul       Ge          132  97
5 Daykin, Percy     Ca          134 120
5 Sadler, Jim       Co          135 129
5 Bushby, Perc      Es          142 141
5 Donaldson, Clyde  Es          144  96
5 McMahon, Jordan   WB,Ri       148 142
5 Kerr, Laurie      Ca          149 104
5 Dick, Billy       Fi,Ca       153 119
5 Walker, Peter     Ge          159 133
5 Gardiner, Vin     Me,Ca       159 145
5 Ogden, Percy      Co,Es       165 164
5 Gosper, Geoff     Es          168 131
5 Bond, Graeme      Ri,St       171 169
5 Power, Stephen    WB          177 172
5 Dunstan, Ian      WB,NM       178  96
5 O'Brien, Paddy    Ca,WB       182 149
5 Payne, Charlie    Es          184 156
5 Croft, Matthew    WB          186 176
5*Blake, Jason      St          189 189
5 Noonan, Alan      Es,Ri       192 185
5 Parratt, Percy    Fi          195 170
5*Dal Santo, Nick   St          196 195
5*Riewoldt, Nick    St          200 199
5 Gale, Alan        Fi          213 207
5 Monkhorst, Damian Co,St       215 208
5*Milne, Stephen    St          216 215
5 Ruthven, Allan    Fi          222 209
5 Hughes, Les       Co          225 148
5 Darcy, Luke       WB          226 222
5 Barker, Trevor    St          230 112
5 Lee, Dick         Co          230 158
5 Wilson, Percy     Co,Me       234 187
5 McGregor, Rod     Ca          236 196
5 Kyne, Phonse      Co          245 196
5 Crosisca, Gavin   Co          246 152
5 Goggin, Bill      Ge          248 187
5 Hird, James       Es          253 159
5 Brown, Gavin      Co          254 153
5 Barassi, Ron D.   Me,Ca       254 230
5 McHale, Jock      Co          261 254
5 Fletcher, Ken     Es          264 198
5 Johnson, Chris L. Fi,Br       264 262
5 Southby, Geoff    Ca          268 219
5 White, Darryl     Br          268 225
5 Eagleton, Nathan  PA,WB       277 216
5 Smith, Rohan H.   WB          300 224
5 Breen, Barry      St          300 278
5 Greene, Russell   St,Ha       304 241
5 Coventry, Gordon  Co          306 269
5 Ashcroft, Marcus  Br          318 296
5 Reynolds, Dick    Es          320 278
5 West, Scott       WB          324 316
5 Salmon, Paul      Es,Ha,Es    324 316
5*Fletcher, Dustin  Es          332 332
5 Doull, Bruce      Ca          356 257

 

[red+black]

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Nice work.

Next 2 prompted by this post:

How many current players are left that either
1 - played for Fitzroy, or
2 - played against Fitzroy?

ETA: Ron The Bear got a red card? WTF?

 

[*Paul*]

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There's only Fletcher and Hall, both against. Hall has had 18 opponents, the only current player to do so.

This stat depends on whether you count BB and BL as different teams - which I do, but RTB and RR don't. Although in Hall's case, no games v the Bears.

 

[red+black]

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Was just looking at the 2011 draw and noticed that every time West Coast, Fremantle, Adelaide, Port Adelaide, Gold Coast or Brisbane have a bye this year, their state counterpart is playing home, thus, there is a game every week in Western Australia, South Australia and Queensland ... except for Round 18 where Port have the bye and Adelaide are playing in Melbourne.

So, my questions are:
1 - since 1995, when has a H&A round not had a game in Perth?
2 - since 1997, when has a H&A round not had a game in Adelaide?

* ignore State of Origin weekends and treat split rounds as a single weekend.

Is it possible that (1) has never happened and it's the first time for (2)? That is, Round 18 this year could be the first time since Round 22, 1996 that the city of Adelaide has not had a H&A game?

 

[*Paul*]

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Is it possible that (1) has never happened and it's the first time for (2)?

Yes and Yes.

 

[The Passenger]

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there's no game at subiaco on round 7 or 17 this year.

it would be impossible for the to be a game there each round this season without eags or docks having an extra home game.

same goes for the adelaide teams - aside from round 18 there's no game in adelaide in round 13.

was wondering last night how many players have ever worn a guernsey number higher than the previous season. not withstanding when it happens with trades (Judd, Ablett) or when a player comes back out of retirement (Lockett)...

 

[red+black]

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^^ sorry guys, I was lazy and just assumed that when both WA or SA teams were playing, one of them would have been playing home.

I think these are the only ones then as every year since 1994 has been just the 22 rounds:
1 - no game in Perth: R7, 2011 (both away); R17, 2011 (both away);
2 - no game in Adelaide: R13, 2011 (both away); R18, 2011 (AC (a), PP (b))

 

[The Passenger]

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yeah the only time i could ever picture it happening is if one of the clubs sold home games.

i know we haven't seen any... i can't recall freo... adelaide have to much money...

port possibly?? didn't they play richmond in darwin a couple of years ago??

 

[red+black]

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All Port's games in Darwin have been as the away team:

http://stats.rleague.com/afl/teams/padelaide/allgames_vn.html#37

Fairly safe assumption that this year is the first for football-free weekends in SA and WA. 1994 to 2009, every season has had 22 rounds. Each SA and WA side gets 11 home games, so 22 in total, or one game in each state each week.

10 each versus an interstate side = 20 games, plus the two local derbies/showdowns.

 

[red+black]

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After Rounds 2 and 4, Gold Coast were 17th and Brisbane 15th, or put another way, last and 3rd-last.

1. What is the lowest both West Coast and Fremantle have been in the same round? And when?
2. What is the lowest both Adelaide and Port have been in the same round? And when?

 

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

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After Rounds 2 and 4, Gold Coast were 17th and Brisbane 15th, or put another way, last and 3rd-last.

1. What is the lowest both West Coast and Fremantle have been in the same round? And when?
2. What is the lowest both Adelaide and Port have been in the same round? And when?

Without looking it up, there was a stage in 2001 when West Coast and Fremantle were 15th and 16th.

 

[RogersResults]

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After Rounds 2 and 4, Gold Coast were 17th and Brisbane 15th, or put another way, last and 3rd-last.

1. What is the lowest both West Coast and Fremantle have been in the same round? And when?
2. What is the lowest both Adelaide and Port have been in the same round? And when?

Rounds 8-17 2001 - West Coast 15th, Fremantle 16th

Round 3 2000 - Adelaide 15th, Port Adelaide 16th

 

[worbod]

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Wow. So where's that stand in the record books for most possies in a quarter?

Barry Mitchell had 20 possessions (8 kicks, 12 handballs) in the fourth quarter for Carlton vs Richmond in Round 23, 1994.

 

[Richo is God]

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Does anyone know of a stats site that will show teams average points for/against per qtr this year?

 

[HandyHawks94]

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are ineffective disposals collated over a whole year?
if so, i would be interested in seeing the hawks backlines stats

 

[red+black]

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Does anyone know of a stats site that will show teams average points for/against per qtr this year?

try

http://www.finalsiren.com/Fixture.asp?SeasonID=2011&TeamID=8

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