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red+black said:
Hawthorn and Sydney kicked 11.0 combined in the 2nd quarter.

What is the most number of goals kicked, combined, in a quarter, without any behinds? Top 10 if you can.
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Code: 
Year Rd HC AC Q Scor
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1996  2 Co Me 4 15.0
1962 12 Ha WB 2 14.0
2000 18 PA WB 4 14.0
1964  2 Fi Sy 4 12.0
1981 16 Sy St 1 12.0
1988 15 NM Es 4 12.0
2007 16 Ad Fr 3 12.0
1970  6 Ha Ri 1 11.0
1996 15 WB Fr 3 11.0
2004  3 Es WC 1 11.0
2006  9 Co WB 1 11.0
2011 SF Ha Sy 2 11.0
 
currently we have 3 vfl/afl premiership coaches still going around
(malthouse, clarkson and worsfold) with scott and ratten still hoping to be one.

next year sheedy comes back into the fold, possibly to make 4 depending on what malthouse does.

what is the most number of premiership coaches that have coached in one year ?

in 2007 we had:
malthouse
worsfold
roos
williams
matthews
sheedy
with thompson becoming one in 2007 and clarkson the folowing year.

can anything better that ?
 
pluga_4 said:
currently we have 3 vfl/afl premiership coaches still going around
(malthouse, clarkson and worsfold) with scott and ratten still hoping to be one.

next year sheedy comes back into the fold, possibly to make 4 depending on what malthouse does.

what is the most number of premiership coaches that have coached in one year ?

in 2007 we had:
malthouse
worsfold
roos
williams
matthews
sheedy
with thompson becoming one in 2007 and clarkson the folowing year.

can anything better that ?
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For premierships in or before the current season, 2007 is the record holder with 8. There were 7 in 1987, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 2006 & 2008.

Including future premierships, the record is 9, in 1981, 1986, 1987, 1993, 1994, 2005 & 2006.
 
Let's change the question slightly then. What is the greatest proportion of premiership coaches? Anything better than the ones below?

For premierships in or before the current season:
If there were 8 in 2007, that's 8/16 or 50%. And 7/14 and also 50% in 1987.

Including future premierships:
9/12 in 1981 and 1986 or 75%
 

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red+black said:
Let's change the question slightly then. What is the greatest proportion of premiership coaches? Anything better than the ones below?

For premierships in or before the current season:
If there were 8 in 2007, that's 8/16 or 50%. And 7/14 and also 50% in 1987.

Including future premierships:
9/12 in 1981 and 1986 or 75%
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For premierships in or before the current season:
1916, 3/4 = 75%
1918 & 1920, 6/9 = 67% (1918 takes into account South Melbourne's dual coaches & 8 active clubs)

Including future premierships:
1916, 4/4 = 100%
1981 & 1986, 9/12 = 75%
 
Without looking, last night's 51 frees would probably not even rate a mention. Free kick counts these days are nothing compared to what they used to be.

Chose 1983 at random and here's what there were then:

69 in the Elimination Final
72 in the QF
83 in the 1st Semi
81 in the 2nd semi
78 in the '83 prelim
70 in the GF
 
First quarter and first half free kicks last night would have to be right up there when just looking at recent years.
 
Dos23 said:
Certainly not wanting to turn this into a crowd prediction thread, but you'd hope a Geelong v West Coast prelim would get a bit more than 60k. They got almost 72k for a second-semi in 1992.

Meanwhile, Hawthorn v Sydney might struggle to get 60k. 50k would be more realistic I'd think.
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Well, split the difference - about 55,000 was as it turned out.

Going to be tough to beat last year now, it really will come down to Geelong v West Coast.

2010 - 7,146,604
2011 - 6,893,217

For new record - 253,387

Pies v Hawks - 85,000
Cats v Eagles - 70,000
Pies v Cats - 100,000

These crowds would just do the trick. Will be close.
 
McCrann said:
Well, split the difference - about 55,000 was as it turned out.

Going to be tough to beat last year now, it really will come down to Geelong v West Coast.

2010 - 7,146,604
2011 - 6,893,217

For new record - 253,387

Pies v Hawks - 85,000
Cats v Eagles - 70,000
Pies v Cats - 100,000

These crowds would just do the trick. Will be close.
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Here's a some more you didn't count:

These are the adjusted attendance figures for the finals:

Total attendance for the Finals Series includes 3 adjustments made by the MCC to the Week 1 attendances (Sept 9-10-11)
Geelong v Hawthorn, MCG 73,601 (not 73,400 as previously reported)
Collingwood v West Coast, MCG 67,502 (not 67,379 as previously reported)
Carlton v Essendon, MCG 90,370 (not 90,161 as previously reported)
Total attendance for Week 1 was therefore 270,678 not 270,145 as reported last weekend (an increase of 533 patrons).


 From http://footystats.freeservers.com/Archive/Review11-R25.html

Which receives the audited attendance figures from the AFL.
 
SJ said:
Where do those adjustments come from?
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From http://footystats.freeservers.com/Ar...iew11-R25.html

Which receives the audited attendance figures from the AFL via AFL statisticians.

You'll find that the AFL website sometimes catches up with these adjustments in their previously published match reports, sometimes not and you may have to wait for the next AFL Record Season Guide to see them.

AFL Tables is also notified and can be expected to have the corrected figures too.







 
RogersResults said:
From http://footystats.freeservers.com/Ar...iew11-R25.html

Which receives the audited attendance figures from the AFL via AFL statisticians.

You'll find that the AFL website sometimes catches up with these adjustments in their previously published match reports, sometimes not and you may have to wait for the next AFL Record Season Guide to see them.

AFL Tables is also notified and can be expected to have the corrected figures too.
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What I mean is where do the changed figures actually come from? What do they find a week later that they didn't know on the day?
 

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SJ said:
What I mean is where do the changed figures actually come from? What do they find a week later that they didn't know on the day?
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Its like a business balancing the ledger or an audit of the accounts.
Cross-checking can find elements not taken into account at the time of transactions, plus errors etc.

Given all that, attendance figures especially the further back you go, are not a 100% precise science.
 
RogersResults said:
Its like a business balancing the ledger or an audit of the accounts.
Cross-checking can find elements not taken into account at the time of transactions, plus errors etc.

Given all that, attendance figures especially the further back you go, are not a 100% precise science.
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Do they ever do it for grand finals?

For example the 2008 grand final I think was listed as 100,012 on the day (a 20-odd-year high). Did this change afterwards?
 
SJ said:
Do they ever do it for grand finals?

For example the 2008 grand final I think was listed as 100,012 on the day (a 20-odd-year high). Did this change afterwards?
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No, they locked that one in as being the correct count on the day.

You will however find some discrepancies between past newspaper Grand Final attendance reports and those now recorded in the AFL Record Season Guide. (Can't give you an example off the top of my head.)
Previous to the 2008 GF, I remember seeing somewhere that the MCG administration reckoned the ground's capacity was now 100,016. Did everybody turn up except 4 or did they have 4 tickets unsold in 2008?
(They now say the capacity is of the MCG is approximately 100,000.)
 
Number of coaching changes is extraordinary.

We have 12 clubs with a coach that has been at the helm for 0 or 1 full seasons.
 

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Which multiple premiership players in the VFL/AFL have their first and last premiership the furthest apart?

The one that springs to mind as possibly being the biggest gap is Michael Tuck. First premiership 1976, last 1991. Probably quite a few Hawthorn players from that whole era with large gaps between their first and last flags, considering how long the Hawks' golden era lasted for.

Others I can think of off the top of my head:

Drew Banfield (1994-2006)
Cam Mooney (1999-2009)
Jason Ball (1994-2005)
Gavin Wanganeen (1993-2004)

I'm sure there are others from the modern era I've missed. If someone could find a list comprising both modern and older era players that would be great.
 
Dos23 said:
Which multiple premiership players in the VFL/AFL have their first and last premiership the furthest apart?
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Code: 
Df Player                 Club(s) Career  Frst Last
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15 Tuck, Michael          Ha    1972-1991 1976 1991
13 Baring, Fred           Es    1910-1924 1911 1924*
13 Davis, Barry           Es,NM 1961-1975 1962 1975
13 Bartlett, Kevin        Ri    1965-1983 1967 1980
13 Bourke, Francis W.     Ri    1967-1981 1967 1980
12 Wade, Doug             Ge,NM 1961-1975 1963 1975
12 Matthews, Leigh        Ha    1969-1985 1971 1983
12 Wood, Bryan            Ri,Es 1972-1986 1973 1985
12 Banfield, Drew         WC    1993-2006 1994 2006
11 Griffith, Billy C.     Es    1899-1913 1901 1912
11 Jones, Peter           Ca    1966-1979 1968 1979
11 Jesaulenko, Alex       Ca,St 1967-1981 1968 1979
11 McKay, David           Ca    1969-1981 1970 1981
11 DiPierdomenico, Robert Ha    1975-1991 1978 1989
11 Wanganeen, Gavin       Es,PA 1991-2006 1993 2004
11 Ball, Jason            WC,Sy 1992-2005 1994 2005
10 Doull, Bruce           Ca    1969-1986 1972 1982
10 Eade, Rodney           Ha,Br 1976-1990 1976 1986
10 Mooney, Cameron        NM,Ge 1999-2011 1999 2009

* Baring played 5 games (including the three round robin 'finals') in 1924, when there was no GF
 
Don't forget
Code: 
Df Player             Club(s)  Career    Frst Last
--------------------------------------------------
19 Fletcher, Dustin   Es       1993-2012 1993 2012
 
Anyone want to have a go at pulling together some say 5 random stats as to why any team can or can't win this weekend?

eg. Geelong can't win because they have never beaten West Coast in a final.

Obviously to make your case you have to be selective and ignore any facts or stats that would shoot down your argument. You could even use some stupid number pattern, anything, but it has to be convincing.
 
Hmm, I'll have a crack...

In 1991 Geelong played West Coast in the preliminary final and lost. The game they'd played prior to that was the second semi against Hawthorn, which they lost by two points.

In 2011, Geelong are playing West Coast again in a preliminary final, and again their previous game was against Hawthorn. This time, of course, Geelong beat Hawthorn.

Therefore, West Coast will not beat Geelong.

Yep, love that logic ;)
 
red+black said:
Anyone want to have a go at pulling together some say 5 random stats as to why any team can or can't win this weekend?

eg. Geelong can't win because they have never beaten West Coast in a final.

Obviously to make your case you have to be selective and ignore any facts or stats that would shoot down your argument. You could even use some stupid number pattern, anything, but it has to be convincing.
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Since the introduction of the final 8 in 1994, Geelong is the only team to have won Qualifying Finals with an equal number of goals and behinds.
14.14 in 2011 and 17.17 in 2008. In 2008 they also won the Preliminary Final.

West Coast have never won a Preliminary Final at the MCG.

Hawthorn have never won a Preliminary Final on a Friday night.

From 1969 Geelong has won every Preliminary Final they played on a Saturday afternoon at the MCG.

Collingwood comes into the Preliminary Final having lost their last 5 final quarters. No team losing their previous 5 final quarters has ever won a Preliminary final.* (That one might mean something. ;))

* Carlton in 1904 is the only team to have won any final after losing their previous 5 final quarters. (Carlton had lost their last 6 final quarters but defeated Essendon in the Semi Final 6.7-43 v 6.4-40).
 

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