Stats questions

[Ron The Bear]

The League does not count the sectional matches* 1898-1900 where the results produced two sectional ladders to determine the finalists nor the sectional matches 1901-1907 where the results were added to the existing ladder to determine the "final four" as "finals". The true Round Robin series in 1897 where the top four all played each other once (as was also the case in 1924) are counted towards each participating club's tally of finals series. Participation in sectional matches are not included in the tally.

Ah, I rejigged my database after one of your previous posts on this subject to differentiate sectional matches from h&a. My query was a bit lazy and kinda mushed them together; hence, whilst being too polite to overtly point it out, you are correct in implying the second table is rubbish, so I've removed it.

Have re-checked the first table, which is correct. No player who participated in the round robin finals of 1897 or 1924 played more than 8 finals in his career.

 

[The Passenger]

i just wish bigfooty was around in 1903... then we'd have seen such interesting discussion re; the finals series formats... dan24/25/26 would have been going berserk.

 

[RogersResults]

i just wish bigfooty was around in 1903... then we'd have seen such interesting discussion re; the finals series formats... dan24/25/26 would have been going berserk.

"The arrangements for the premiership this year are somewhat difficult to follow."

Observer writing in The Argus, 22 August 1898.

Previous methods of deciding premierships have not been completely researched or explained in many publications including current official AFL publications. (See Myth of the Minor Premiers).

Although there was consideration to fairness in the various systems devised, the Victorian Football League's innovation of finals matches appears also to have been motivated by desires to increase revenue.

 

[dylan123]

Hopefully this is the right place to ask this question but I was wondering whether it's possible to find a list of AFL players that have had done their knee (ACL) over the past 10 odd years? Rather then trying to remember them which bar 10 or so names it isn't quite easy to do.... I'm interested to see how they have bounced back (stat wise) and to see if there is any correlation from their stats before their injury and the first season back with things such as age, height, position etc.

 

[TeamThatSavedAFL]

Maybe someone can answer me this.

When a team has more hitouts what is the likelihood they will also have more clearances?

When a team has more hitouts what is the likelihood they will win that game?

Say, over the last 5 or 10 years.
Thanks.

 

[RogersResults]

Maybe someone can answer me this.

When a team has more hitouts what is the likelihood they will also have more clearances?

When a team has more hitouts what is the likelihood they will win that game?

Say, over the last 5 or 10 years.
Thanks.

Unless somebody has a database set up to answer this specific question, you'll have to do the work yourself. (Or you could keep waiting for someone else to do it.)

The data (1999-2011) you need is here: http://www.afl.com.au/statistics/tabid/73/default.aspx#page=team&roundid=777

The data can be fairly easily copied and pasted into a spreadsheet program for analysis.

 

[SJ]

In 2011, teams that won the Hitouts also won the Clearances 49.7% of the time (94/189)

Using Hitouts to Advantage instead, it's 64.6% (117/181).

In terms of winning the game:
Hitouts: 55.0% (104/189)
Hitouts to Advantage: 56.9% (103/181)
Clearances: 59.4% (111/187)

Where did you get hitouts to advantage?

 

[TeamThatSavedAFL]

In 2011, teams that won the Hitouts also won the Clearances 49.7% of the time (94/189)

Using Hitouts to Advantage instead, it's 64.6% (117/181).

Perfect! Thanks for the help. I also had a go in the stats observations thread but this is more like what I was looking for.

In terms of winning the game:
Hitouts: 55.0% (104/189)
Hitouts to Advantage: 56.9% (103/181)
Clearances: 59.4% (111/187)

Using your stats I removed all Gold Coast games as I felt they weren't particularly representative of the whole league and found that 50.3% of times a team won the hitouts they won the game.

Interestingly, one of the games GC did win the hitouts was against Geelong.

 

[worbod]

On Cricinfo earlier this week in the weekly Ask Steven page, somebody asked which bowler had the highest percentage of Test wickets taken in winning Tests. The winner, with a minimum of 50 wickets in a career, was Stuart Clark, who took 84 of his 94 wickets in Tests which produced a victory for his country. I thought we could turn this statistic to the VFL/AFL. Who has the highest percentage of goals kicked in winning teams? Which ever database king gets in first and provides the answer can set the minimum goals requirement (500 goals, 400, 300...).

 

[Ron The Bear]

On Cricinfo earlier this week in the weekly Ask Steven page, somebody asked which bowler had the highest percentage of Test wickets taken in winning Tests. The winner, with a minimum of 50 wickets in a career, was Stuart Clark, who took 84 of his 94 wickets in Tests which produced a victory for his country. I thought we could turn this statistic to the VFL/AFL. Who has the highest percentage of goals kicked in winning teams? Which ever database king gets in first and provides the answer can set the minimum goals requirement (500 goals, 400, 300...).

968 players have scored all their career goals (one or more) in wins. The top few for number of career goals are (% of goals in wins, goals in wins, goals in career, matches in career, winning matches):

%Wins Player           GW GC MC WC Cb  Career
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100.0 Shephard, Graeme 18 18 46 32 Co 1970-1975
100.0 Rush, Gerald     16 16 15 12 Ri 1920
100.0 Norman, Jim      15 15 37 28 Ge 1950-1952
100.0 Bailey, George   12 12 58 41 Ca 1941-1948
100.0 Day, Robert      12 12 38 30 Ha 1971-1972
100.0 Officer, Gus     12 12 48 33 Es 1897-1900
100.0 O'Halloran, Tom  12 12 62 38 Sy 1918-1921

For minimum 50, 100, 150, 200-299, 300-1299, 1300+ career goals:

 CGls %Wins Player             GW   GC  MC  WC Clubs  Career
-------------------------------------------------------------
  50+ 94.74 Kekovich, Brian    90   95  34  29 Ca    1967-1968
 100+ 93.07 Podsiadly, James   94  101  42  33 Ge    2010-2011
 150+ 90.20 Topping, George   138  153 125  94 Ca    1902-1916
 200+ 86.85 Goninon, George   251  289  87  64 Es,Ge 1948-1954
 300+ 82.37 Coventry, Gordon 1070 1299 306 220 Co    1920-1937
1300+ 57.72 Lockett, Tony     785 1360 281 124 St,Sy 1983-2002

For minimum 400 career goals:

%Wins Player             GW   GC  MC  WC Clubs     Career
-----------------------------------------------------------
82.37 Coventry, Gordon 1070 1299 306 220 Co       1920-1937
78.79 Sumich, Peter     405  514 150 100 WC       1989-1997
77.73 Titus, Jack       754  970 294 199 Ri       1926-1943
77.37 Brereton, Dermott 359  464 211 148 Ha,Sy,Co 1982-1995
76.35 Coleman, John     410  537  98  67 Es       1949-1954
76.28 Matthews, Leigh   698  915 332 220 Ha       1969-1985
76.08 Dunstall, Jason   954 1254 269 177 Ha       1985-1998
75.60 Hutchison, Bill   375  496 290 192 Es       1942-1957
75.00 Harris, Dick D.   411  548 196 134 Ri       1934-1944
74.68 Daicos, Peter     410  549 250 148 Co       1979-1993

 

[Ron The Bear]

The greatest difference between % goals kicks in wins vs % wins is:

 CarGoals Diff%  %GWin %MWin Player           GW   GC  MC  WC Clubs  Career
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   1+     92.86 100.00  7.14 Robertson, Ralph  1    1  14   1 St    1899-1900
  50+     41.86  76.47 34.62 Paez, Ron        39   51  52  18 Sy    1949-1953
 100+     24.00  74.00 50.00 Hodges, Scott    74  100  38  19 Ad    1991-1996
 150- 249 23.01  71.15 48.15 Jakovich, Allen 148  208  54  26 Me,WB 1991-1996
 250- 549 18.91  71.22 52.31 Gehrig, Fraser  391  549 260 136 WC,St 1995-2008
 550-1299 16.74  69.35 52.61 Lynch, Alastair 439  633 306 161 Fi,Br 1988-2004
1300+     13.59  57.72 44.13 Lockett, Tony   785 1360 281 124 St,Sy 1983-2002

NB all of the above count draws as 0 wins, not 0.5

 

[darellkonner]

250- 549 18.91 71.22 52.31 Gehrig, Fraser 391 549 260 136 WC,St 1995-2008
550-1299 16.74 69.35 52.61 Lynch, Alastair 439 633 306 161 Fi,Br 1988-2004
1300+ 13.59 57.72 44.13 Lockett, Tony 785 1360 281 124 St,Sy 1983-2002
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[mustafish]

250- 549 18.91 71.22 52.31 Gehrig, Fraser 391 549 260 136 WC,St 1995-2008
550-1299 16.74 69.35 52.61 Lynch, Alastair 439 633 306 161 Fi,Br 1988-2004
1300+ 13.59 57.72 44.13 Lockett, Tony 785 1360 281 124 St,Sy 1983-2002
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can anybody tell me how many carerer brownlow votes scott pendulbury has had, and also how many joel selwood has got????

 

[RogersResults]

can anybody tell me how many carerer brownlow votes scott pendulbury has had, and also how many joel selwood has got????

http://stats.rleague.com/afl/brownlow/totals0.html

 

[Lord Nicholson]

I don't know if I'm asking this in the right place since it's not a stat in the typical sense, but it struck me that this year there are only three premiership captains still playing.

Nick Maxwell
Sam Mitchell
Chris Judd

And only one of those is still captain of his premiership team.

Just wondering if this is actually pretty common or whether there's usually a lot more running about. Last year it was those guys + Barry Hall, so I guess it might be a bit typical than I thought.

Again, apologies if this is in the wrong spot.

 

[Ron The Bear]

^^ I haven't finished compiling my captain data. It's going to be very difficult to ascertain who was captain for the day in some cases where the regular captain was absent, but answering a question like this regarding premiership captains should be easy enough.

In the meantime somebody else may be able to answer.

 

[Lord Nicholson]

Got slightly bored, and did the AFL era:

2012: 3 (Maxwell, Mitchell, Judd)
2011: 4 (Maxwell, Mitchell, Judd, Hall)
2010: 4 (Mitchell, Judd, Hall, Tredrea)
2009: 5 (Mitchell, Harley, Judd, Hall, Tredrea)
2008: 4 (Harley, Judd, Hall, Tredrea)
2007: 4 (Judd, Hall, Tredrea, Hird)
2006: 4 (Hall, Tredrea, Voss, Hird)
2005: 3 (Tredrea, Voss, Hird)
2004: 3 (Voss, Hird, Carey)
2003: 4 (Voss, Hird, Carey, Bickley)
2002: 3 (Voss, Hird, Bickley)
2001: 3 (Hird, Bickley, Carey)
2000: 2 (Carey, Bickley)
1999: 2 (Bickley, Carey)
1998: 3 (Bickley, Carey, Worsfold)
1997: 3 (Carey, Kernahan, Worsfold)
1996: 3 (Kernahan, Worsfold, Thompson)
1995: 3 (Worsfold, Thompson, Kernahan)
1994: 4 (Thompson, Worsfold, Shaw, Kernahan)
1993: 3 (Worsfold, Shaw, Kernahan)
1992: 3 (Shaw, Kernahan, Daniher)
1991: 4 (Shaw, Tuck, Kernahan, Daniher)
1990: 3 (Tuck, Kernahan, Daniher)

So, pretty much the norm. I guess it had just never occurred to me.

 

[The Passenger]

heya lads, big season ahead.

just wanted to get a list of debut ages over the last decade.

something like this:

      18   19   20   21   22   23   24   25   26   27   28   29+
   ---------------------------------------------------------------
2002 |
2003 |
2004 |
2005 |
2006 |
2007 |
2008 |
2009 |
2010 |
2011 |

would be awesome!!!

 

[Ron The Bear]

Year | 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28
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2002 |  6 20 27 16  8  -  -  -  1  -  -  -
2003 |  3 16 19 10  6  4  -  -  1  -  -  -
2004 |  2 21 25 12 12  4  -  -  1  -  -  -
2005 |  1 25 28 11  8  8  3  -  -  -  -  -
2006 |  - 22 27 10  9  4  1  1  1  -  -  -
2007 |  - 31 27 17  7  2  4  1  -  -  -  -
2008 |  1 22 31 16 10  2  1  -  1  -  -  -
2009 |  - 25 29 18  8  3  2  1  1  -  -  -
2010 |  - 26 28  8 12  6  3  4  -  -  -  1
2011 |  - 34 43 26 14  3  4  4  2  1  1  1

 

[RogersResults]

Year | 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28
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2002 |  6 20 27 16  8  -  -  -  1  -  -  -
2003 |  3 16 19 10  6  4  -  -  1  -  -  -
2004 |  2 21 25 12 12  4  -  -  1  -  -  -
2005 |  1 25 28 11  8  8  3  -  -  -  -  -
2006 |  - 22 27 10  9  4  1  1  1  -  -  -
2007 |  - 31 27 17  7  2  4  1  -  -  -  -
2008 |  1 22 31 16 10  2  1  -  1  -  -  -
2009 |  - 25 29 18  8  3  2  1  1  -  -  -
2010 |  - 26 28  8 12  6  3  4  -  -  -  1
2011 |  - 34 43 26 14  3  4  4  2  1  1  1

Who was the now rare 17 year-old in 2008?
I know Ablett Jr. in 2002 was the last under 18 to debut for Geelong.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Who was the now rare 17 year-old in 2008?
I know Ablett Jr. in 2002 was the last under 18 to debut for Geelong.

Brad Ebert

 

[The Passenger]

awesome rtb

 

[stemline]

Similar to the premiership captains above, going into this season the collective premiership total for the coaches going into this season is 3. One each to C.Scott, Clarkson and Worsfold.

When was the last time it was that low? (Sorry if it's been asked before). Refering to the coaches at the start of a season, not including replacements during.

 

[stemline]

Also the average age of the current coaches would have to be the lowest for a while? Can't find Brendan McCartney's DOB anywhere but the rest of them average just on 40.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Similar to the premiership captains above, going into this season the collective premiership total for the coaches going into this season is 3. One each to C.Scott, Clarkson and Worsfold.

When was the last time it was that low? (Sorry if it's been asked before). Refering to the coaches at the start of a season, not including replacements during.

Well that's if you exclude Sheedy's four.

Last year there were five flags between the coaches - Malthouse (3), Clarkson and Worsfold.

Last time there were fewer than five was 1968 - Hafey, Jeans, Kennedy & Sutton with one each.

The all-time low from seasons in which every club had a coach was 1928, when Jock McHale was the sole flag-winner in the competition with three.