Stats questions

[Ron The Bear]

What is the longest amount of games someone has gone kicking multiple goals in each match?

Gms|Player|Year Rd-Year Rd|Gls|Ma|Club(s)|Career
\56|Pratt, Bob|1932 16-1935 16|681|158|Sy|1930-1946
\49|Coventry, Gordon|1932 17-1935 9|1299|306|Co|1920-1937
\46|Wade, Doug|1971 2-1973 9|1057|267|Ge,NM|1961-1975
\46|Ablett senior, Gary|1992 21-1994 PF|1030|248|Ha,Ge|1982-1996
\43|Coventry, Gordon|1928 GF-1931 1|1299|306|Co|1920-1937
\43|Dunstall, Jason|1990 14-1992 17|1254|269|Ha|1985-1998
\40|Wade, Doug|1968 SF-1970 21|1057|267|Ge,NM|1961-1975
\39|Moloney, George M.|1932 1-1934 5|303|88|Ge|1931-1935
\37|Titus, Jack|1939 14-1941 11|970|294|Ri|1926-1943
\37|Coleman, John|1949 6-1951 3|537|98|Es|1949-1954
\37|Wade, Doug|1973 12-1975 2|1057|267|Ge,NM|1961-1975
\35|Hudson, Peter|1969 9-1971 2|727|129|Ha|1967-1977
\35|Lockett, Tony|1989 1-1991 18|1360|281|St,Sy|1983-2002
\34|Quinlan, Bernie|1982 16-1984 3|817|366|WB,Fi|1969-1986
\33|Hudson, Peter|1967 11-1969 6|727|129|Ha|1967-1977
\32|Green, Jack J.|1934 8-1936 14|276|125|Ca,Ha|1929-1936
\32|Dunstall, Jason|1987 14-1988 22|1254|269|Ha|1985-1998
\31|Lee, Dick|1915 11-1917 11|707|230|Co|1906-1922
\31|Murray, Sel|1942 10-1945 9|461|121|NM,Ri,NM|1937-1948
\30|Johnson, Ted E.|1923 6-1924 S1|385|136|Sy|1923-1931
\29|Vallence, Harry|1930 SF-1932 10|722|204|Ca|1926-1938
\29|White, Lindsay|1948 3-1950 6|540|142|Ge,Sy,Ge|1941-1950
\29|Quinlan, Bernie|1984 6-1985 11|817|366|WB,Fi|1969-1986
\27|McKenna, Peter|1970 9-1971 11|874|191|Co,Ca|1965-1977
\27|Franklin, Lance|2010 5-2011 13|558|175|Ha|2005-2013
\26|Todd, Ron|1938 15-1939 GF|327|76|Co|1935-1939
\26|Blight, Malcolm|1981 14-1982 SF|444|178|NM|1974-1982
\26|Jackson, Mark|1982 5-1983 9|308|82|Me,St,Ge|1981-1986
\25|Mohr, Bill|1929 12-1930 17|735|195|St|1929-1941
\25|Titus, Jack|1934 10-1935 14|970|294|Ri|1926-1943
\25|Titus, Jack|1937 11-1938 16|970|294|Ri|1926-1943
\25|Templeton, Kelvin|1976 22-1978 14|593|177|WB,Me|1974-1985
\25|Matthews, Leigh|1983 3-1984 4|915|332|Ha|1969-1985

Jeremy Cameron, Josh Kennedy and Jarryd Roughead currently each on 11.

 

[NinjaSwan]

Thanks Ron.

 

[emuboy]

The biggest winning margin by an even number of goals is 126-points, when the Sydney Swans crushed a hapless Fitzroy by an even 21 goals at the Western Oval in Round 19, 1995 (6.8-44 vs 27.8-170). There are also two cases of victories by an even 20 goals, when the Bulldogs beat Melbourne 26.13-169 to 6.13-49 in Round 15 1985; and St Kilda beat the Brisbane Bears by 120-points at Moorabbin in Round 23 1991, 27.12-174 to 7.12-54.

My query is, what is the greatest winning margin by an even number of behinds (e.g. a team kicks 18.25-123 to 18.8-116, winning by 17-points after kicking 17 more behinds). There is a spectacular case in the SANFL, where South Adelaide won the 1979 preliminary final over Norwood by kicking 13.28-106 to 13.7-85, winning by 21 points. I don't know if there is anything approaching that in the AFL/VFL, but would be interested to find out.

 

[35Daicos]

The biggest winning margin by an even number of goals is 126-points, when the Sydney Swans crushed a hapless Fitzroy by an even 21 goals at the Western Oval in Round 19, 1995 (6.8-44 vs 27.8-170). There are also two cases of victories by an even 20 goals, when the Bulldogs beat Melbourne 26.13-169 to 6.13-49 in Round 15 1985; and St Kilda beat the Brisbane Bears by 120-points at Moorabbin in Round 23 1991, 27.12-174 to 7.12-54.

My query is, what is the greatest winning margin by an even number of behinds (e.g. a team kicks 18.25-123 to 18.8-116, winning by 17-points after kicking 17 more behinds). There is a spectacular case in the SANFL, where South Adelaide won the 1979 preliminary final over Norwood by kicking 13.28-106 to 13.7-85, winning by 21 points. I don't know if there is anything approaching that in the AFL/VFL, but would be interested to find out.

South Melbourne by 22 points I believe is the biggest such win.

South Melbourne 8.30 (78) d. Geelong 8.8 (56) 1944 Rd. 13.

There are two 21 point wins.

Geelong 4.23 (47) d. Melbourne 4.2 (26) 1913 Rd. 16

Geelong 10.25 (85) d. Footscray 10.4 (64) 1963 Rd. 3

I hope I've read this correctly. If not someone will be sure to let me know!

 

[Ron The Bear]

As I had a couple of other queries to run past Col Hutchinson, I also asked about these missing/dubious DOBs and here is the relevant part from his reply:-...

Immensely helpful Daics, thanks.

 

[*Paul*]

Terrific stuff.

Tommy (Thomas ‘Gunboat’) Smith (Geelong) did not play. He was confused with Herbie Smith, who played 1919-21 (born 27/08/1895)

Am I reading this correctly.. "The Boat" should be expunged from the records (or at least my records, which only include senior games), and his games assigned to the Herbmeister?
I haven't removed a player for some time, my mind is bubbling with things that could go wrong

 

[Ron The Bear]

Am I reading this correctly.. "The Boat" should be expunged from the records (or at least my records, which only include senior games), and his games assigned to the Herbmeister?
I haven't removed a player for some time, my mind is bubbling with things that could go wrong

I hear you brother. Went through the process this morning. Scary. Like cutting off a finger, hitting the Delete button on Tommy.

It makes sense, same guernsey and all.

 

[35Daicos]

Terrific stuff.


Am I reading this correctly.. "The Boat" should be expunged from the records (or at least my records, which only include senior games), and his games assigned to the Herbmeister?
I haven't removed a player for some time, my mind is bubbling with things that could go wrong

Yes, for sure. Tom Smith (that one at least) never played a game, Herbie Smith debuted in 1919, not 1920. As Ron said, the jumper number makes it all seem pretty reasonable. Good luck with the culling.

 

[*Paul*]

I wish I'd been on the ball, Grundy's debut yesterday meant that I could have just slotted him in where Smith was. Doesn't appear to be any debuts forthcoming today, a bit of extra mucking about will be required.

 

[35Daicos]

I wish I'd been on the ball, Grundy's debut yesterday meant that I could have just slotted him in where Smith was. Doesn't appear to be any debuts forthcoming today, a bit of extra mucking about will be required.

Kyle Hartigan debuting for Adelaide last night doesn't help?

 

[*Paul*]

Hartigan was who I shifted. I have a file of the players names, the order in which they appear in that list assigns them a number, this number is scattered throughout the other files that I use. So I have to find and change all T.Smith's numbers to H.Smith's, then Hartigan's to T.Smith's old number (plus some other minor adjustments) and hope I haven't either cocked it up, or forgotten some corner where those numbers are.

 

[emuboy]

Thanks 35 Daicos - that victory must have caused no end of frustration for the Swans supporters in attendance. What a strange game. Perhaps goals were rationed during World War 2, but behinds unrestricted?

 

[35Daicos]

Regarding player DOBs, I'd better add this bit about 4 current list players which I somehow have only just noticed had been edited in the response I received recently from the AFL's Col Hutchinson!

Original Email:-

Regarding current day players, can you confirm which of these are correct. They have changed in the Football Record from how they were shown in the Football Record Season Guide and ~~~:-

Brad Crouch (Adelaide) 14/01/1994 - 12/01/1994
Kyle Hartigan (Adelaide) 07/11/1991 - 11/07/1991
Haiden Schloithe (Fremantle) 20/06/1993 – 16/06/1993
Chad Wingard (Port Adelaide) 29/07/1993 - 29/09/1993

^ the first DOB shown above is how it is in the Season Guide, the next is the Football Record version.

Reply:-

Brad Crouch (Adelaide) 14/01/1994

Kyle Hartigan (Adelaide) 07/11/1991

Haiden Schloithe (Fremantle) 16/06/1993
Chad Wingard (Port Adelaide) 29/07/1993

 

[emuboy]

Regarding player DOBs, I'd better add this bit about 4 current list players which I somehow have only just noticed had been edited in the response I received recently from the AFL's Col Hutchinson!

Original Email:-


Regarding current day players, can you confirm which of these are correct. They have changed in the Football Record from how they were shown in the Football Record Season Guide and ~~~:-

Brad Crouch (Adelaide) 14/01/1994 - 12/01/1994
Kyle Hartigan (Adelaide) 07/11/1991 - 11/07/1991
Haiden Schloithe (Fremantle) 20/06/1993 – 16/06/1993
Chad Wingard (Port Adelaide) 29/07/1993 - 29/09/1993

^ the first DOB shown above is how it is in the Season Guide, the next is the Football Record version.


Reply:-


Brad Crouch (Adelaide) 14/01/1994

Kyle Hartigan (Adelaide) 07/11/1991

Haiden Schloithe (Fremantle) 16/06/1993
Chad Wingard (Port Adelaide) 29/07/1993

On the subject of players' dates of birth, there was an interesting typo in the WAFL Football Budget this year, which listed Subiaco Lions reserves player Brendan Thompson's date of birth as 29th April 1929. One presumes that his year of birth is 1992, otherwise he is a very fit man for his age.

I don't know if there are any stats can be found on this, but are there any details of any AFL/VFL players who were born on 29th February over the years?

 

[35Daicos]

I don't know if there are any stats can be found on this, but are there any details of any AFL/VFL players who were born on 29th February over the years?

Just a quick look finds Brent Macaffer and Lindsay Thomas among current players (both 29/02/1988).

Tom Allison (NM) 29/02/1944
George Collard (Carl & SM/Syd) 29/02/1916
Lindsay Smith (NM & Carl) 29/02/1980
James Wilson (Ess) 29/02/1884

 

[SJ]

How many matches have been played with both teams were coming off 100+ point wins?

 

[Ron The Bear]

How many matches have been played with both teams were coming off 100+ point wins?

One.

R22 1993 Fitzroy d. Melbourne by 23 points

Previous week:
Fitzroy d. Brisbane by 104
Melbourne d. Richmond by 121

 

[RedmanWasHere]

In the SANFL, WAFL and QAFL, has a particular round ever experienced 3 100 point wins or more like Round 20 1992?

 

[RogersResults]

I hear you brother. Went through the process this morning. Scary. Like cutting off a finger, hitting the Delete button on Tommy.

It makes sense, same guernsey and all.

You might get to add a new player from 1919 soon. Geelong's Jack Ross 1919-22 was according to his war service record on a troop ship coming back from England when he was supposed to be playing his first match for Geelong in 1919.
The Jack Ross who finished playing in 1922 and went on to become one of Geelong's longest serving committeemen was Jack C. Ross. The Encyclopedia of AFL Footballers has him as Jack W. Ross. As Jack C. Ross didn't disembark in Melbourne around a month after a Jack Ross debuted for Geelong in round 6 1919, it seems that two Jack Ross' played for Geelong.

Col Hutchinson is yet to be convinced - currently relying on a family story that Ross got leave before being discharged from the army to play in 1919.

 

[Ron The Bear]

You might get to add a new player

That's worse!

 

[*Paul*]

Col Hutchinson is yet to be convinced - currently relying on a family story that Ross got leave before being discharged from the army to play in 1919.

I've had relatives of players (and the players themselves on one or two occasions) send in corrections, I tend to take their words at face value and make the changes.

 

[UpForGrabs]

In the SANFL, WAFL and QAFL, has a particular round ever experienced 3 100 point wins or more like Round 20 1992?

Well, I thought it would be tough considering there's only ever been a maximum of 4 matches per WAFL round.

I knew there were a few instances of two matches with a 100+ margin in a round (a 50% strike rate)... but then came this...

Round 11, 2005

YEAR | ROUND | TEAM | OPP | Q1 | Q2 | Q3 | Q4 | TOTAL | W/L | MARGIN
\2005|11|S|P|11.4|14.9|19.15|25.22|172|W|126
\2005|11|P|S|0.1|1.2|3.2|7.4|46|L
\2005|11|SD|EF|7.3|15.8|18.13|26.16|172|W|103
\2005|11|EF|SD|2.1|4.4|7.7|10.9|69|L|
\2005|11|SF|PT|5.5|13.7|19.12|25.21|171|W|136
\2005|11|PT|SF|2.1|2.4|3.5|5.5|35|L

 

[RedmanWasHere]

UFG, my go to man for WAFL stats.

Cheers big ears.

Would say South Freo put in a more 4 quarter effort vs Peel Thunder than the other 2 games.

 

[35Daicos]

Are there any cases of a stand-in coach being sacked for poor performance.

Of course it's an absolute long shot but the mischievous thought occurred to me that with Melbourne still at times uncompetitive under Neil Craig, and the Demons playing (an improving) GWS in Sydney this week, a poor result could see the stand-in coach under pressure to see out the season!

 

[SJ]

Are there any cases of a stand-in coach being sacked for poor performance.

Of course it's an absolute long shot but the mischievous thought occurred to me that with Melbourne still at times uncompetitive under Neil Craig, and the Demons playing (an improving) GWS in Sydney this week, a poor result could see the stand-in coach under pressure to see out the season!

They are uncompetitive as they one of the worst lists ever compiled. The greatest coach of all time could not have coached them above a bottom-four spot this year.