Stats questions

[worbod]

Played Grand Finals For Multiple Teams (did not win at both clubs or did not lose at both clubs)

In addition to those players in my previous post, the following played in two grand finals for two teams. All players had an instance of one of their teams not finishing runners up and thus did not qualify for the previous list. Premier teams are bolded.

Gordon Abbott: Geelong 1937 and Essendon 1941, 1942, 1943, 1946
Gareth Andrews: Geelong 1967 and Richmond 1974
Ted Baker: Collingwood 1922 and Geelong 1931
Jason Ball: West Coast 1994 and Sydney 2005
Frank Caine: Carlton 1906, 1907, 1909 and Essendon 1912
Jack Carney: Geelong 1930, 1931 and Carlton 1938
Cameron Clayton: Richmond 1974 and Essendon 1983
Jim Crowe: Carlton 1932 and Collingwood 1936
Vic Cumberland: Melbourne 1900 and St. Kilda 1913
Stuart Dew: Port Adelaide 2004 and Hawthorn 2008
Brighton Diggins: South Melbourne 1933, 1934, 1935 and Carlton 1938
Horrie Edmonds: Collingwood 1929, 1930 and Richmond 1934
Tom Fitzmaurice: Essendon 1923 and Geelong 1925 (also part of Essendon's 1924 premiership team which played no grand final)
Damien Hardwick: Essendon 2000, 2001 and Port Adelaide 2004
Richard Harris: Carlton 1906 and St. Kilda 1913
Darren Jarman: Hawthorn 1991 and Adelaide 1997, 1998
Steven King: Geelong 2007 and St. Kilda 2009
Jim Martin: Essendon 1908, 1912 and Fitzroy 1913
Ben McEvoy: St. Kilda 2010 and Hawthorn 2014, 2015
Peter McLean: Melbourne 1964 and Carlton 1968
Dan Minogue: Collingwood 1911, 1915 and Richmond 1920, 1921
Cameron Mooney: North Melbourne 1999 and Geelong 2007, 2008, 2009
Charlie Norris: Collingwood 1910 and Fitzroy 1913, 1916, 1917
Byron Pickett: North Melbourne 1998, 1999 and Port Adelaide 2004
Stephen Rae: St. Kilda 1971 and Richmond 1973
Keith Stackpole: Collingwood 1935, 1936 and Fitzroy 1944
Harvey Stevens: Collingwood 1952 and Footscray 1954
Jack Symons: Richmond 1940, 1942 and Fitzroy 1944
Daryl Wakelin: St. Kilda 1997 and Port Adelaide 2004
Gavin Wanganeen: Essendon 1993 and Port Adelaide 2004

 

[RedmanWasHere]

What guernsey numbers have played in all of West Coast's flags?

 

[Cuzz09]

What guernsey numbers have played in all of West Coast's flags?

4. Sumich, Kerr, Sheed
17. McKenna, Chick, JK


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[red+black]

awesome work worbod

 

[Wallaby]

Just a quick one.

Noticed in the 4th Qtr of the Richmond Collingwood PF, Collingwood kicked 3.0 and Richmond kicked 2.0.

I have no idea if these are common occurrences or not.

a) Neither team scoring a behind in the same quarter.
b) Neither team scoring a behind in the quarter, with both teams kicking goals.
b) Neither team scoring a behind in the quarter, with both teams kicking multiple goals.

Can anyone check those?

 

[worbod]

Just a quick one.

Noticed in the 4th Qtr of the Richmond Collingwood PF, Collingwood kicked 3.0 and Richmond kicked 2.0.

I have no idea if these are common occurrences or not.

a) Neither team scoring a behind in the same quarter.
b) Neither team scoring a behind in the quarter, with both teams kicking goals.
b) Neither team scoring a behind in the quarter, with both teams kicking multiple goals.

Can anyone check those?

Are you asking in relation to grand finals only?

 

[red+black]

Extra time in finals. There have been 3 in the AFL, and there was one in the VFL finals this year. I also seem to recall more than 1 in the NAB Cup.

https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/1994/101219940910.html (I was at this game)
https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2007/041820070914.html
https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2017/131820170909.html
http://websites.sportstg.com/round_...72-0&pool=1001&fixture=125196932&a=PLAYBYPLAY

Have there been others in the VFL? And any links to the NAB Cup games?

 

[footyfan1978]

Extra time in finals. There have been 3 in the AFL, and there was one in the VFL finals this year. I also seem to recall more than 1 in the NAB Cup.

https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/1994/101219940910.html (I was at this game)
https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2007/041820070914.html
https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2017/131820170909.html
http://websites.sportstg.com/round_...72-0&pool=1001&fixture=125196932&a=PLAYBYPLAY

Have there been others in the VFL? And any links to the NAB Cup games?

Not sure about NAB Cup games, that is weird.
Technically the home and away game at Waverley where lights went out and came back Tuesday night to finish game, I'd consider extra time.

 

[worbod]

Extra time in finals. There have been 3 in the AFL, and there was one in the VFL finals this year. I also seem to recall more than 1 in the NAB Cup.

https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/1994/101219940910.html (I was at this game)
https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2007/041820070914.html
https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2017/131820170909.html
http://websites.sportstg.com/round_...72-0&pool=1001&fixture=125196932&a=PLAYBYPLAY

Have there been others in the VFL? And any links to the NAB Cup games?

The first preseason game to use extra time was between Hawthorn and West Coast on February 25, 1989. The first score after full time had expired won the game. I am unsure whether there have been other such preseason games.

 

[Cuzz09]

Awesome. I know Adelaide and WCE played in a draw in around 1994 Fosters Cup at Footy Park. Crows ended up winning but I remember it being crazy.

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[Wallaby]

Are you asking in relation to grand finals only?

No - just any games.

 

[Dirty Bird]

I know how to check this manually, but I was wondering if someone hasn’t it in a file or something.

Sydney home crowds
Does anyone have the average for when
1) there is no rugby at the sfs
2) when there is rugby at the sfs

And even when checking manually, can really only do that for rugby league through afltables.

*Paul* - do you have easy access, or should I scroll through the website?

 

[worbod]

In 1978 there were 153 century scores during the season, which was a record at the time. Where does this total now rank 40 years later?

 

[35Daicos]

In 1978 there were 153 century scores during the season, which was a record at the time. Where does this total now rank 40 years later?

It's a fair way off the record now (eq. 14th).

Top Ten Seasons for Century Scores:
2000 - 199
1982 - 177
1987 - 177
1992 - 177
1993 - 171
2008 - 169
2013 - 169
1991 - 168
1979 - 162
2001 - 161

 

[footyfan1978]

In 1978 there were 153 century scores during the season, which was a record at the time. Where does this total now rank 40 years later?

In 1978 there were 12 clubs playing 22 home and away games each. That is about 7 of the teams each round scoring a century or more. I know my own club the next season only missed scoring a century in 3 games the whole season. All very wet and muddy days to play on those three matches under 100. Now we seem to have gone around two seasons without one...lol

In 2018 there are 18 clubs playing 22 home and away games each. There would need to be around 230 century scores now to be of similar ratio.
Scoring seem to be at it's peak in 1980's and early 1990's. In one of these seasons of early 1990's Geelong team scoring over 3000 points in home and away season. Clubs get nowhere near that now with the heavy congestion game of 22 players each team.

 

[red+black]

There would need to be around 230 century scores now to be of similar ratio.

I checked your maths

(22 x 18) * 153 / (22 x 12) = 229.5

 

[footyfan1978]

I checked your maths

(22 x 18) * 153 / (22 x 12) = 229.5

ha ha
If you check my English it will not get a pass so easily...

 

[35Daicos]

In 1978 there were 12 clubs playing 22 home and away games each. That is about 7 of the teams each round scoring a century or more. I know my own club the next season only missed scoring a century in 3 games the whole season. All very wet and muddy days to play on those three matches under 100. Now we seem to have gone around two seasons without one...lol

In 2018 there are 18 clubs playing 22 home and away games each. There would need to be around 230 century scores now to be of similar ratio.
Scoring seem to be at it's peak in 1980's and early 1990's. In one of these seasons of early 1990's Geelong team scoring over 3000 points in home and away season. Clubs get nowhere near that now with the heavy congestion game of 22 players each team.

In 1978 there were 153 century scores during the season, which was a record at the time. Where does this total now rank 40 years later?

This shows the figures for every year from 1970 onwards. The highlighted ones are the top ten all-time years. I should have just posted this last night!

In case the % figures appear incorrect, it's e.g. for 2002, 148 divided by 370 (185x2)= 40.00%!

 

[footyfan1978]

This shows the figures for every year from 1970 onwards. The highlighted ones are the top ten all-time years. I should have just posted this last night!
View attachment 568732
In case the % figures appear incorrect, it's e.g. for 2002, 148 divided by 370 (185x2)= 40.00%!

Brilliant work. Thank you. Some amazing spikes in there. 1982 must have been so much drier than 1981 winter so suburban grounds lot better for higher scoring football. It is even more staggering to see it at 26% now

 

[footyfan1978]

You had me curious to see if there was a round in 1982 where every team scored a century or more.
Found one.

Round 10, 1982
Home team score , Away team score , Venue , Crowd , Date
Footscray 15.10 (100) North Melbourne 23.20 (158) Western Oval 15,686 29 May 1982
Fitzroy 25.11 (161) Geelong 19.18 (132) Junction Oval 16,256 29 May 1982
Carlton 18.16 (124) Richmond 16.11 (107) Princes Park 35,261 29 May 1982
Melbourne 16.24 (120) Collingwood 17.11 (113) MCG 52,169 29 May 1982
Essendon 22.17 (149) St Kilda 18.11 (119) VFL Park 37,736 29 May 1982
Swans 15.13 (103) Hawthorn 24.13 (157) SCG 15,420 30 May 1982

 

[red+black]

Scoring is decreasing, the finals had the lowest scores in the Final 6 / Final 8 era.

 

[footyfan1978]

Scoring is decreasing, the finals had the lowest scores in the Final 6 / Final 8 era.

This is lowest it will get in our lives.

 

[Wallaby]

And to quote the bleeding obvious - the GF was one of the best games we've seen for the last 10+ years.

Low scoring does not equal boring footy. Leave the bloody rules alone.

 

[35Daicos]

In 1978 there were 12 clubs playing 22 home and away games each. That is about 7 of the teams each round scoring a century or more. I know my own club the next season only missed scoring a century in 3 games the whole season. All very wet and muddy days to play on those three matches under 100. Now we seem to have gone around two seasons without one...lol

In 2018 there are 18 clubs playing 22 home and away games each. There would need to be around 230 century scores now to be of similar ratio.
Scoring seem to be at it's peak in 1980's and early 1990's. In one of these seasons of early 1990's Geelong team scoring over 3000 points in home and away season. Clubs get nowhere near that now with the heavy congestion game of 22 players each team.

There were just two games (of 24) in 1979 where Carlton failed to score 100+ points. In terms of the number of games in a season (22) and the % of games played in a season (91.67%), that is the best on record. Carlton also hold the League record for the worst year (2007) for having 100+ points scored against them, as it happened 21 (of 22) times, 95.45% of games.

 

[red+black]

Why did North Melbourne play 2 away games in Perth against West Coast in 1987?

R06 - WC 162 d, NM 88 (Subiaco) - https://afltables.com/afl/seas/1987.html#6
R19 - NM 120 d. WC 109 (WACA) - https://afltables.com/afl/seas/1987.html#19