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I note from the first list that none of the coaches went on to win a premiership.
Perhaps Chris Fagan may become the first.
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Perhaps Chris Fagan may become the first.
Magpies had a fantastic win tonight against all odds -
2018 PF - another outstanding win - when Rich very virtually unbeatable
Theve got a so so record in GFs
But my stat question is outside of GFS what is their win/loss record in all other finals - interested to know - i think it would be pretty good
Like tonights win and the 18PF - they are outstanding wins
2018 PF - another outstanding win - when Rich very virtually unbeatable
Theve got a so so record in GFs
But my stat question is outside of GFS what is their win/loss record in all other finals - interested to know - i think it would be pretty good
Like tonights win and the 18PF - they are outstanding wins
We've just had 3 out of 4 finals won by the side that had fewer scoring scoring shots. I also seem to remember it happening a lot over the season.
What are the stats for games won/lost in that fashion for 2020, and how does that compare with other years?
What are the stats for games won/lost in that fashion for 2020, and how does that compare with other years?
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Their all-time record in finals that aren't Grand Finals is slightly below 50%.
| Club | W | L | D | Win % |
| BR | 12 | 7 | 0 | 63.2% |
| RI | 41 | 24 | 1 | 62.9% |
| GW | 6 | 4 | 0 | 60.0% |
| HA | 40 | 27 | 0 | 59.7% |
| ME | 39 | 29 | 1 | 57.2% |
| FI | 26 | 20 | 0 | 56.5% |
| ES | 55 | 46 | 1 | 54.4% |
| BB | 2 | 2 | 0 | 50.0% |
| SY | 35 | 37 | 0 | 48.6% |
| AD | 16 | 17 | 0 | 48.5% |
| WC | 22 | 24 | 1 | 47.9% |
| CO | 65 | 71 | 3 | 47.8% |
| NM | 31 | 34 | 0 | 47.7% |
| PA | 10 | 11 | 0 | 47.6% |
| ST | 20 | 24 | 0 | 45.5% |
| CA | 49 | 59 | 2 | 45.5% |
| FR | 6 | 8 | 0 | 42.9% |
| GE | 44 | 60 | 1 | 42.4% |
| WB | 16 | 31 | 0 | 34.0% |
But if you're looking at AFL era (1990 on) then they're top 3 - and the best of any club with 25+ non-GF finals under their belt in this time.
| Club | W | L | D | Win % |
| BR | 12 | 7 | 0 | 63.2% |
| GW | 6 | 4 | 0 | 60.0% |
| CO | 18 | 12 | 1 | 59.7% |
| ME | 12 | 9 | 0 | 57.1% |
| NM | 17 | 15 | 0 | 53.1% |
| SY | 20 | 18 | 0 | 52.6% |
| HA | 17 | 16 | 0 | 51.5% |
| GE | 23 | 23 | 0 | 50.0% |
| BB | 2 | 2 | 0 | 50.0% |
| WC | 22 | 23 | 1 | 48.9% |
| AD | 16 | 17 | 0 | 48.5% |
| ST | 10 | 11 | 0 | 47.6% |
| PA | 10 | 11 | 0 | 47.6% |
| RI | 7 | 8 | 0 | 46.7% |
| CA | 10 | 12 | 0 | 45.5% |
| ES | 13 | 16 | 0 | 44.8% |
| FR | 6 | 8 | 0 | 42.9% |
| WB | 10 | 19 | 0 | 34.5% |
It's happened 17 times in 157 games this year or in 10.8% of matches. Ranked by percentage that is the 89th highest in any VFL/AFL season, so nothing special. The highest by percentage is 1957 when it happened 25 times or in 22.3% of games, the most times total in any season is 29 times in 2008 (15.7%).
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Thanks for that
Looking at all clubs ( since the day dot ) - the 3 which caught my eye - or are worth a comment
(1) Richmond very good - but no side is still win 2 out of every 3 level ie 66.6%
(2) Geel - very poor - no surprises their - 2nd last - only saving grace - i think where 9 from 18 re Gfs - so where not under water their - just
(3) Carlton - thats the one which surprised me the most - like theve had the current rough patch - but they didnt play many finals etc - but historically theve been a Powerhouse Club - but their finals record ( outside of GFs ) is surprisingly poor
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The Carlton stat surprised me as well - but in contrast to the pies our record in GFs is absolutely outstanding. Goes to show how just a few different results can result in such a version of history. From 1968 to 1995 which was our new age golden era we were 8-4 in grand finals.
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It is interesting that during the same period Carlton also had the most "straight set" exits from the finals. Carlton lost both finals matches in 1967, 1975, 1976, 1980, 1984, 1994 and 1996. it seems it was either boom or bust for the Blues - GF or nothing. That helps explain their poor "non-Grand Final" record.
Paddy Ryder has now played in his first finals win in his 257th game. Robert Flower would be ahead of him in this respect in terms of games played, but are there any others?
How many players have notched up 200 games before experiencing a finals victory?
How many players have notched up 200 games before experiencing a finals victory?
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Here's every player who won a final for the first time in their 200th career game or later.
| Player | Club | Season | Round | Game |
| Jarryn Geary | ST | 2020 | EF | 203 |
| Nathan Buckley | CO | 2002 | PF | 203 |
| Leigh Brown | CO | 2009 | SF | 203 |
| Shane Edwards | RI | 2017 | QF | 205 |
| Tom Rockliff | PA | 2020 | QF | 205 |
| Bernie Quinlan | FI | 1979 | EF | 212 |
| Stephen Paxman | PA | 2002 | SF | 214 |
| John Rantall | NM | 1974 | QF | 217 |
| Mark Bayes | SY | 1996 | QF | 219 |
| Jack Riewoldt | RI | 2017 | QF | 223 |
| Gary Dempsey | NM | 1979 | QF | 230 |
| Shane Parker | FR | 2006 | SF | 230 |
| Stan Alves | NM | 1977 | SF | 239 |
| John Murphy | NM | 1979 | QF | 243 |
| Brett Deledio | GW | 2017 | SF | 249 |
| Paul Williams | SY | 2003 | QF | 253 |
| Greg Wells | CA | 1981 | SF | 255 |
| Paddy Ryder | ST | 2020 | EF | 257 |
| Robert Flower | ME | 1987 | EF | 270 |
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Percentage is important. Dogs have won 66% of their grand finals.
Let's not get caught up in how many they have participated in.
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Yep...Home ground advantage helps too....Hawks just behind them on 13-6.
Largely due to their 23-6-16-1 record against Richmond, but they did manage to pinch two GF's against us as underdogs.
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Carlton and North Melbourne have not played in the same finals series since 2000, with the Blues and Kangaroos losing the preliminary finals that year to Essendon and Melbourne respectively.
With Richmond and St. Kilda both playing in the same finals series since 1973 this year and Port Adelaide and the Western Bulldogs both qualifying for September for the first time since 1999 and in 2018 Richmond and Melbourne playing in the same finals series since 1941, is the 20 year absence of Carlton and North from the same finals series now the longest, or is there another combination that is longer and which I have overlooked?
With Richmond and St. Kilda both playing in the same finals series since 1973 this year and Port Adelaide and the Western Bulldogs both qualifying for September for the first time since 1999 and in 2018 Richmond and Melbourne playing in the same finals series since 1941, is the 20 year absence of Carlton and North from the same finals series now the longest, or is there another combination that is longer and which I have overlooked?
Carlton & Melbourne is also 2000.
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I am fascinated by the Sydney and Brisbane “streak”.
Sydney and Brisbane have not played in the same finals series since 2004 (so not the longest) but at least one of them has appeared in the finals every year since - Brisbane in 2009, 2019 and 2020, Sydney in the other years.
So in the last 16 years, there has never been a finals series with both Sydney and Brisbane and there has never been a finals series without either Sydney or Brisbane.
In fact, since the Brisbane Lions came into existence in 1997, either Brisbane or Sydney has been represented in every finals series.
Good get! The AFL must be desperate for it to happen, so they can create/piggyback some sort of 'Origin' rivalry to match the NRL (of course, it will never match the NRL Origin, but the AFL marketing geniuses will no doubt dream up something).
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If we extend this, the last finals series not involving both of Brisbane and Sydney was 1994.
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Hawthorn and the Brisbane Lions have not been in the same finals series since 2001. In the 19 years since then the Brisbane Lions have made the finals in 2002, 2003, 2004, 2009, 2019 & 2020, Hawthorn in 2007, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016 & 2018, and neither team in 2005, 2006 & 2017.
Counting Hawthorn and the Brisbane Bears and Lions together, since 1987 it becomes even more remarkable as follows:
Hawthorn Finals, Brisbane Not In Finals - 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 2007, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016 & 2018.
Brisbane in Finals, Hawthorn Not In Finals - 1995, 1997, 1999, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2009, 2019 & 2020
Hawthorn & Brisbane Both In Finals - 1996, 2000 & 2001
Neither Hawthorn nor Brisbane In Finals - 1998, 2005, 2006 & 2017.
Hawthorn has never played Brisbane as either the Bears or Lions in a finals match, yet remarkably the last ever final played by merger partner the Fitzroy Lions was the 1986 preliminary final against the Hawks.
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To make a further extension, there has been a non-Victoria based club in each finals series since 1990.
There has been a non-Melbourne based club in each finals series since 1986.
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That 1984 season, where Carlton finished third with only 13 wins. Is this the lowest number of wins to secure the double chance since the 22 round season came into being?
Apart from Carlton in 1984, when both Essendon and Carlton secured the double chance in 1993 under the final 6 system, they both had 13 wins (plus a draw).
Since then Collingwood finished fourth with 13 wins in 2002; likewise St. Kilda in 2008. Obviously this year with the shortened season has seen Richmond (12 wins and a draw) plus Geelong (12 wins) receive a double chance.
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1993 only had 20 rounds, so not a 22 round season.
Essendon not only secured the double chance in 1993 with its 13 wins (plus a draw) but also won the minor premiership.
The fewest wins for the minor premier in a 22 round season is 15 - by St Kilda in 1997 and Adelaide (plus a draw) in 2017.
Brenton Sanderson kicked just 34 goals in his 14 year career, but never had a goalless season. I wonder what the record is for
* played N years
* never had a season without kicking at least one goal
* fewest total career goals
* played N years
* never had a season without kicking at least one goal
* fewest total career goals
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What’s the biggest age gap between players who were coached by the same person?
Further, what’s the top 20 biggest age gaps?
Further, what’s the top 20 biggest age gaps?
