Current Trial Steven Avery - Making a Murderer

[Bet on Blue]

After binge watching the series and reading everything I can on the case I am convinced he is innocent. Complete railroad job. Any halfway decent lawyer should have been able to get most of the evidence thrown out. The department he was suing should not have been anywhere near the investigation.

 

[SterlingArcher]

Whether you think Avery is guilty or not is one thing... personally I'm leaning towards innocent but wouldn't say for certain either way. But what happened to Brendan was an absolute disgrace, and a severe miscarriage of justice.

Very, very similar to the story of the Central Park Five (and anyone who enjoyed Making a Murder should watch the doco on this case too; it's also on Netflix) - young, scared, impressionable kids who confessed to brutal crimes that they did not commit under intensive questioning. They were also convicted based solely on their confessions with no DNA evidence supporting it, but were eventually exonerated.

Absolutely.

Avery - it's up for debate from what I've seen. He may have done it. It's my opinion he shouldn't have been convicted, I don't think it's beyond reasonable doubt that he did it, but that may be due to the incompetency and corruption of the police. Circumstantial evidence against him does exist that is not just because of corrupt police.

But regardless, there's absolutely no way Brendan should have even ended up in court. Just maliciously manipulated into a situation he could not comprehend the seriousness of.

Sadly it doesn't seem like this is a one-off in America...corrupt counties abound.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Ask yourself this..

- You've served 18 years in prison for a crime you did not commit with DNA now confirming that you did not commit the crime
- you bring an action for wrongful imprisonment against the state with an estimated windfall of 36 million
- would you then go and kill someone jeopardising the case against the state?

No... This smells of a setup by the police who were uncovered to be incompetent during the first trial, to which the police and DA are trying to build another case against Avery getting out of the state paying him over $40m AUD

What?

You want to break a murder down to a rational question of why?

You could acquit any murder in history doing this. Generally, rational people don't murder.

Research on Avery basically shows him to be a psychopath with a hell of a lot of issues. How much of that is his own fault is definitely up for debate. But the guy has enormous issues.

 

[FR0GGY]

Seems like the test that would really clear him is looking for markers in the blood that was found in the car, that would prove if the blood was from a police sample or directly from Avery.

 

[Duritz]

Am watching this doco series ATM, riveting stuff. Have watched five episodes since last night.

So far, the most damming thing for me is the officer who rang up ID'ing plates, that were hers, two days before she was "found". And he had no explanation whatsoever!

 

[Michaels]

Am watching this doco series ATM, riveting stuff. Have watched five episodes since last night.

So far, the most damming thing for me is the officer who rang up ID'ing plates, that were hers, two days before she was "found". And he had no explanation whatsoever!

its addictive viewing thats for sure.

yeah there are so many holes in the whole saga that its beyond beliefe how they were found guilty.

will be interested to hear your thoughts once you have seen the entire series.

 

[Duritz]

Ok, so I'm onto episode 9 of this series, and it's now dealing with the trial of his nephew.

On Avery, I don't know if he's innocent or guilty, but what I would say is there was reasonable doubt as to his guilt.

The one big, big thing that gets me out of the whole thing is that phone call that was made to dispatch, two days before the car was found, asking for a plate identification. Det Colborn rings up, quotes Theresa's plate number, is told it belongs to missing person Teresa Halbach, and he says "a 99 Toyota right?" to which dispatch answers yes.

This is the big one for me. Colborn makes that call two days before the car is found in Avery's yard. When questioned on the stand he offers no explanation whatsoever for the call. "Well I couldn't have been looking at her car because it hadn't been found yet."

I have almost no doubt whatsoever that Colborn found her car, two days earlier, and he was caught out with that call into dispatch. Now, if that is true, then the whole thing unravels. If it is true that Colborn found her car and it was never reported, and two days later it turns up in avery's yard, then something very, very suspicious has happened.

Where was Colborn when he found this car? What really happened?

 

[Michaels]

Ok, so I'm onto episode 9 of this series, and it's now dealing with the trial of his nephew.

On Avery, I don't know if he's innocent or guilty, but what I would say is there was reasonable doubt as to his guilt.

The one big, big thing that gets me out of the whole thing is that phone call that was made to dispatch, two days before the car was found, asking for a plate identification. Det Colborn rings up, quotes Theresa's plate number, is told it belongs to missing person Teresa Halbach, and he says "a 99 Toyota right?" to which dispatch answers yes.

This is the big one for me. Colborn makes that call two days before the car is found in Avery's yard. When questioned on the stand he offers no explanation whatsoever for the call. "Well I couldn't have been looking at her car because it hadn't been found yet."

I have almost no doubt whatsoever that Colborn found her car, two days earlier, and he was caught out with that call into dispatch. Now, if that is true, then the whole thing unravels. If it is true that Colborn found her car and it was never reported, and two days later it turns up in avery's yard, then something very, very suspicious has happened.

Where was Colborn when he found this car? What really happened?

yeah spot on.

I'm not sure if this is the same rule for all cases being heard, but Avery's lawyers wern't allowed to provide any alternate outcomes for who it could have been, which i reckon is complete bullshit because it meant so many other people got away with no questioning at all.

 

[The Dice Man]

Reckon the cops did it themselves.

 

[Duritz]

Reckon the cops did it themselves.

I am working along the thinking of a few possibilities:

1. The worst scenario, that the police killed this woman to frame Avery. Personally I don't think they'd actually do this. Low % probability IMO - 2%

2. The police found her car near the Avery property with her dead in it, two days before it's officially found, and plant all the evidence on Avery's property. Probability: maybe, it's a bit of a co incidence that they find her near his property, conveniently dead and ready to be planted. This however does explain the mysterious dispatch call. 10%

3. One of Avery's brothers or cousins etc on the property did it, possibly one of (or both of) those two men who went hunting. They kill her, burn her etc and the car is "covered over" with branches on the property, which is how it was found. Problems with this theory: doesn't explain the mystery phone call, doesn't explain why they didn't compact the car (stupidity?) probability: 25%, it fits a lot of the problems

4. Avery did it as the state "proved". I guess this has to be the most likely but personally I really don't think he did it. The blood in her car is still an issue and far more convincing than magically finding a bullet. If he shot her in the garage then where's the blood spatter etc?? I think he certainly did not shoot her in the garage, but he might've killed her. Still, I think there's too many problems with this theory: 15%

5. Some other scenario I don't know about (boyfriend, stranger, various others) I think this is the most likely, there's an absence of a couple of days and I think we don't have the full picture. So, other: 48%

 

[Duritz]

Oh and LOL at the girly voiced DA turning out to be a sex pest...!!

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

https://www.google.com/amp/www.inqu...inally-confess-to-killing-teresa-halbach/amp/

Seems like this cell mate may have watch the doco.

Remembers a lot of detail from a conversation a long time ago.

 

[Duritz]

https://www.google.com/amp/www.inqu...inally-confess-to-killing-teresa-halbach/amp/

Seems like this cell mate may have watch the doco.

Remembers a lot of detail from a conversation a long time ago.

Interesting, thanks for that. Would love to see more, like police interviewing the guy and a transcript etc

 

[Duritz]

More detail -

http://www.rockfordadvocate.com/fel...ry-confessed-to-killing-teresa-halbach-14163/

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I'm thinking this guy's story is convenient given Dassey is being retrialled.

Explain the small amount of bones at the quarry, small amount in the burn barrel and the majority at the pit. Quarry, barrel and pit is the most likely scenario surely.

All this time and he comes forward now. It's convenient.

 

[Michaels]

i still dont get how the cops can keep using the key in his room as evidence.

no one saw that car key for the first 5-7 days during the initial investigation. wasnt until the shifty county cops went onto the property when they wernt allowed to that the key all of a sudden appeared in plain view.

the only finger prints on it were Steven Averys which is a complete long shot in itself. by rights, that key would have had anyone who touched its DNA on it.

i want to watch it all again but i know ill get worked up about it again ha ha

 

[beta_condition]

Research on Avery basically shows him to be a psychopath with a hell of a lot of issues. How much of that is his own fault is definitely up for debate. But the guy has enormous issues.

Being a Psychopath doesn't mean shit, many successful people that live normal lives have high psychopath tendencies. Might very well be a shit bloke with issues but thats hardly a indicator for murder.

 

[Bet on Blue]

Am watching this doco series ATM, riveting stuff. Have watched five episodes since last night.

So far, the most damming thing for me is the officer who rang up ID'ing plates, that were hers, two days before she was "found". And he had no explanation whatsoever!

That was sus as hell.

 

[Bet on Blue]

i still dont get how the cops can keep using the key in his room as evidence.

no one saw that car key for the first 5-7 days during the initial investigation. wasnt until the shifty county cops went onto the property when they wernt allowed to that the key all of a sudden appeared in plain view.

the only finger prints on it were Steven Averys which is a complete long shot in itself. by rights, that key would have had anyone who touched its DNA on it.

i want to watch it all again but i know ill get worked up about it again ha ha

Yeah it's bullshit like the rest of the case. That trial was a farce.

 

[Bet on Blue]

"Don't get strange."

 

[Cold Sober]

1.Obvious case of self combustion
2.Did'nt the young nuff confess and implicate old uncle nuff.
3.Some of these doco makers can make it look like even Lindy and OJ are innocent.
4.If not self combusting ,maybe there is another man eating dingo roaming the world .

 

[Kynge of Begrem]

Personal opinion:

• Avery is guilty
• Cops planted some evidence to ensure conviction

 

[freofc1994]

The real issue with justice in the US is that it is largely political. DA's are voted in and serve terms much like politicians. Judges work under the DA's. As a DA is looking to be elected to office or for re-election promises will be made, just like politicians. Perhaps promises like we will make sure that all murder cases we will try and secure the death penalty etc.

Now the police force are also county based (generally) and they work with the DA. If the DA/Police need a "helpful" conviction they most certainly will petition Judges to allow or dis-allow evidence.

The Avery documentary highlights this. The Judge on numerous occasions allows evidence to be used by the prosecution and denies the defence the opportunity to present conflicting evidence/arguments

A classic example of this is the DNA evidence, once compromised it shouldn't have been allowed, the judge should have directed the jury to erase it from consideration.

Now when you consider the political ramifications of a civil action getting up and those ramifications reverberating around the justice system in that county you can see how judges in the US are heavily influenced by outside pressures that shouldn't exist in the pursuit of Justice

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

https://overthrow.us/making-a-murderer/major-characters/steven-avery/a-word-for-steven-avery

Interesting snapshot into how Avery was portrayed by detractors and how he actually was.

 

[Cleric]

The whole Brendan Dassey thing is weird. Initially he confessed to his cousin that he had killed her with Steve and she then told her councillor at school what he told her. The councillor was the one who told Cops.