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DERKADERRR said:
My bad, missed the midfielders part, not sure who the other two are then.
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Well that's still 6 and a ruckman (Adams, Broomhead, Kennedy, DeGoey, Scharenberg, Freeman and Grundy). Adams was a GWS pick but technically still counts. Ruckmen do play in the midfield so technically the original claim was correct. And that doesn't even count Karnezis who wants to play midfield and was a 1st round pick to Brissy. Or Varcoe who can lay legitimate claim to being a 1st round midfielder.

PS: I do think it's amusing that TG should question the accuracy of posts when he's more than liberal with the use of poetic license and convenient bouts of memory failure. Let he who is without blooper throw the first stone. At least the original post was looking at the positives.
 
doppleganger said:
Pretty sure we were belted by Richmond in rd1 of 2002.

Don't think giving up 150+ points is starting off in a blaze of glory....or actually says much about our extraordinary backline!?

It does fit in with your rose coloured glasses view of everything under MM though, so play on.
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Lost to Carlton in round 3 too.
 

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THATSGOLD said:
Beams went home, what's Varcoes excuse?
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He got a better deal at Collingwood. Whether we were right to offer it remains to be seen.
 
THATSGOLD said:
So we uped the $$$ for him? Anyone know what the Cats were offering and what we paid?
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Players don't usually leave their club for less money.
 
THATSGOLD said:
I'd rather we uped Beam's offer then.
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The only way we could have retained Beams was to relocate the club to Queensland. Offering more money would not have changed his mind. Move on.
 
THATSGOLD said:
Well that just contridicted the last 5 or so posts didnt it!
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Not at all. Of course he is getting more money at Brisbane. That was not the only reason he left, matching their offer would not have changed his mind.
 
A major part of our 'structural' problem is our weakness at clearances. In 2014, we were 16th for general clearances and 17th for centre clearances (Hawthorn were 1st and 2nd). Swannie was sorely missed around the ball and Luke Ball was on his last legs and pretty ineffectual. Hopefully Swannie can get his fitness back and return to the centre square where he belongs. I'm expecting an improvement from Taylor Adams -he played his best game for us in that win against Port Adel, but buggered his hand and missed the rest of the season. I know he can have issues with his kicking, but he seems like a player whose confidence and effectiveness in his kicking increases with the more disposals he gets. I'm calling a big year from Adams.

The other bloke who should help us address our clearance problems is Greenwood. Equal 2nd in North's B&F (1 vote behind the winner), voted by his team-mates as the player most displaying the club's values and courage, voted 'Player of the Year' by the club's supporters, nominated by North as their candidate for the AFL's 'Robert Rose Award' for the most courageous player. 32 possies and 7 tackles in North's Elimination final win against Essendon. I reckon getting him for a 2nd round pick was a steal. If he shows anything approaching his 2014 form, we should rapidly improve our clearance stats. In the words of old Jack Dyer: "...if you ain't getting the ball, you can't do anything with it!"
 

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I think the problem with our clearances was that out main midfield combination was Beams, Pendlebury and Maccaffer. Maccaffer's inability to win his own ball made us at times one midfielder down, Beams and Pendlebury aren't quite the in and under extractors like Luke Ball who cooked all year and spent most of his time forward and Taylor Adams who was either in the VFL or in the backline and when we finally gave him some centre square time and his form picked up he got injured. I think with Greenwood coming in Swan uninjured Taylor Adams coming back and Maccaffer out of our midfield we should be better around clearances.
 
The most important factor of clearances are the ruckmen.
If we start winning more ruck battles, we will end up winning more clearances.
Witts and Grundy hold a big piece of the puzzle for our fortunes at stoppages.
 
mike123 said:
I think the problem with our clearances was that out main midfield combination was Beams, Pendlebury and Maccaffer. Maccaffer's inability to win his own ball made us at times one midfielder down, Beams and Pendlebury aren't quite the in and under extractors like Luke Ball who cooked all year and spent most of his time forward and Taylor Adams who was either in the VFL or in the backline and when we finally gave him some centre square time and his form picked up he got injured. I think with Greenwood coming in Swan uninjured Taylor Adams coming back and Maccaffer out of our midfield we should be better around clearances.
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I don't understand how Taylor adams can not be played in the centre. Its the only position he is suited to due to his terrible kicking and it plays to his only real outstanding weapon. His extraction ability.
 
ace andy said:
I don't understand how Taylor adams can not be played in the centre. Its the only position he is suited to due to his terrible kicking and it plays to his only real outstanding weapon. His extraction ability.
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That's a question for Nathan Buckley or who ever at Collingwood had the idea to play him in the backline.
 
rustyg70 said:
The most important factor of clearances are the ruckmen.
If we start winning more ruck battles, we will end up winning more clearances.
Witts and Grundy hold a big piece of the puzzle for our fortunes at stoppages.
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Disagree, there is quite a low translation with our rucks from a won hitout to a centre clearance. In theory your statement should be correct, but it isn't actually the way it pans out.

I agree with an earlier poster - we will get better centre clearance numbers with Macaffer out of the side, and I'm of the opinion he should never be in the centre bounces due largely to the lack of clearance winning ability he brings. He can pick up his man after the bounce
 
mike123 said:
I think the problem with our clearances was that out main midfield combination was Beams, Pendlebury and Maccaffer. Maccaffer's inability to win his own ball made us at times one midfielder down, Beams and Pendlebury aren't quite the in and under extractors like Luke Ball who cooked all year and spent most of his time forward and Taylor Adams who was either in the VFL or in the backline and when we finally gave him some centre square time and his form picked up he got injured. I think with Greenwood coming in Swan uninjured Taylor Adams coming back and Maccaffer out of our midfield we should be better around clearances.
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You seriously underrate Caff. When he is fit he will be striaght back into the side.
 

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jmac70 said:
You seriously underrate Caff. When he is fit he will be striaght back into the side.
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You seriously overrate Caff, when he is fit he'll be lucky to slot straight back into the side.
 
mike123 said:
You seriously overrate Caff, when he is fit he'll be lucky to slot straight back into the side.
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The club agrees with me. He may struggle to get back into your view of the side, but in reality he will be straight back in.
 
jmac70 said:
The club agrees with me. He may struggle to get back into your view of the side, but in reality he will be straight back in.
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Anything else you crystal ball can tell us?
 
Jelly Bean said:
Disagree, there is quite a low translation with our rucks from a won hitout to a centre clearance. In theory your statement should be correct, but it isn't actually the way it pans out.

I agree with an earlier poster - we will get better centre clearance numbers with Macaffer out of the side, and I'm of the opinion he should never be in the centre bounces due largely to the lack of clearance winning ability he brings. He can pick up his man after the bounce
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Liked both yours and Rustyg70's post. No FI but I think its complex. Ruckmen get awarded hitouts when in reality all they did is get their hand to the ball. Its the ruckman that can put the ball down the throat of a runner that makes a difference. I saw Monkey hit the ball 20m forward heaps of times when the adrenaline was up, only for it to go back over his head 3 seconds later. Jolly was excellant at this for periods of 2010/11, Witts & Grundy still learning (Grundy maybe a bit better). At the moment we have a centre group that mainly as to defend, wins are a surprise. An aggressive centre group will become more viable once Witts/Grundy are clear winners.
 
It would be interesting analysis to do actually (if anyone had the time...).

Look at the relationship per game between hitouts and clearances. As hitouts goes up, does that mean that clearances tend to go up proportionately? It would also be worth doing with hitouts to advantage as well.

And also looking at the leading clearance teams. Do they also lead the hitouts? I suspect not.
 
Jelly Bean said:
It would be interesting analysis to do actually (if anyone had the time...).

Look at the relationship per game between hitouts and clearances. As hitouts goes up, does that mean that clearances tend to go up proportionately? It would also be worth doing with hitouts to advantage as well.

And also looking at the leading clearance teams. Do they also lead the hitouts? I suspect not.
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I checked this stat in general most team that did well in the hitout stat did well in the clearance stat with a few exceptions. Fremantle came first in hitoouts but 4th in clearacnes.

In 2010 we cam first in clearances but 9th in hitouts. I think it helps to win clearances but not the most important part. Hitouts to advantage I couldn't find.
 

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