News Sub rule gone and interchange cap reduced

[sproketman]

Paul Roos is right, the older guys will run over the top of the younger guys.

Nah, he isn't.

Athletic ability of all kinds peaks for men in mid to late 20s, whether that is repeat sprinting or endurance.

What Paul Roos is talking about has already happened, the average age of teams in the league is the oldest its ever been.

 

[Taylor]

Nah, he isn't.

Athletic ability of all kinds peaks for men in mid to late 20s, whether that is repeat sprinting or endurance.

What Paul Roos is talking about has already happened, the average age of teams in the league is the oldest its ever been.

He was talking from the perspective of a guy coaching a team full of young, under 25s.

Which would mean any team rebuilding.

 

[sproketman]

He was talking from the perspective of a guy coaching a team full of young, under 25s.

Which would mean any team rebuilding.

But that happens now.

 

[Taylor]

But that happens now.

As the commentator on Superstar Soccer 64 on the old Nintendo system would say..

And the gap has widened.

 

[sproketman]

As the commentator on Superstar Soccer 64 on the old Nintendo system would say..

And the gap has widened.

How?

 

[Taylor]

How?

The new rule means longer stints on the field which pushes the advantage even more towards the conditioned experienced senior players.

 

[sproketman]

The new rule means longer stints on the field which pushes the advantage even more towards the conditioned experienced senior players.

So does repeat sprints and the ability to hit the contest hard a number of times a game, which is what high rotations allows players.

 

[Taylor]

So does repeat sprints and the ability to hit the contest hard a number of times a game, which is what high rotations allows players.

That is actually what coaches demand of their players, the player as an athlete performing at role is the variable.

 

[sproketman]

That is actually what coaches demand of their players, the player as an athlete performing at role is the variable.

How many players under 25 have excelled under high rotations?

In times past, Brownlow medals and similar awards were often won by players under the age of 25. Instead the past five Brownlow winners have been:

Priddis: 29
Ablett: 29
Watson: 27
Swan: 27
Judd: 27

By comparison, from 2000-2004, Brownlow medallists were

Judd: 21
Buckley, Riccuitto, Goodes: 31, 28, 23
Black: 23
Akermanis 24
Woewoedin: 24

 

[sij1981]

I'm interested in how it impacts playing young players in teams that aren't in 'rebuilding' mode. I suspect first year players like our Blakley and Weller are going to struggle to get into games of any significance. If you play a player who can't run out a full AFL game with solid time on ground, you're handing a bit of advantage to the opposition. Couple that with the impact an injury can have on a team - the risk of playing very young players is hightened.

I'm sort of glad that the sub rule is going, but I'm not overjoyed about it. We'll still have something to complain about when we don't see an exciting 1st year player get a game at all, or a close game is impacted because we pick up an unlucky injury early.

Why is everyone against the sub rule? It gives development opportunity to the youth?

 

[TheMcManusNose]

Was it not Clarkson who said that he hesitated at using 1st year players as the sub given their lack of endurance - in case someone went down (can't find the quote right now but i'm 99% sure he said it around 2013 re: Jed Anderson). The implication there is that he would be even more hesitant starting them for a full game.

Irrespective of whether the sub rule works or not (I think it does), the reduction in interchanges I think will have the greatest effect on limiting the playing of 1st year players in coaches minds. 90 interchanges is below the current average and essentially obligates coaches to give players 19-22 greater game time. You can't afford to have anyone riding the bench for a significant period of time because you have limited windows in which to rest your 'stars'.

I think that's one way it could go anyway. Inevitably the AFL will change it again in 2 years without waiting for the tactical adjustments and counters to settle.

 

[Taylor]

How many players under 25 have excelled under high rotations?

In times past, Brownlow medals and similar awards were often won by players under the age of 25. Instead the past five Brownlow winners have been:

Priddis: 29
Ablett: 29
Watson: 27
Swan: 27
Judd: 27

By comparison, from 2000-2004, Brownlow medallists were

Judd: 21
Buckley, Riccuitto, Goodes: 31, 28, 23
Black: 23
Akermanis 24
Woewoedin: 24

Shouldn't the Brownlow age be going down with the restricted rotations since 2013?

 

[sproketman]

Shouldn't the Brownlow age be going down with the restricted rotations since 2013?

120 rotations per game is hardly 'restricted'.

 

[Taylor]

120 rotations per game is hardly 'restricted'.

They were either unrestricted before the sub and interchange cap came in or they weren't.

Which way are you going to go on that?

 

[sproketman]

They were either unrestricted before the sub and interchange cap came in or they weren't.

Which way are you going to go on that?

In the context of how many rotations per game there were in Australian football only 10 years ago, 120 per game is not a restriction.

The argument that young teams (and players) will be hurt by this rule is nonsense. Where is the evidence that this will happen?

The game has become increasingly dominated by very old sides, and very old players tend to collect the major individual awards.

 

[Taylor]

In the context of how many rotations per game there were in Australian football only 10 years ago, 120 per game is not a restriction.

The argument that young teams (and players) will be hurt by this rule is nonsense. Where is the evidence that this will happen?

The game has become increasingly dominated by very old sides, and very old players tend to collect the major individual awards.

I see, what has confused me is that you're saying that the game requires higher workload from players and that the older players are the most capable of that game style while simultaneously saying that making the physical demand greater, because they have to spend longer on the ground, isn't going to push it even further towards conditioned and experienced bodies.

I'm guessing you expect the game style and coaches requirements from their players to change?

 

[sproketman]

I see, what has confused me is that you're saying that the game requires higher workload from players and that the older players are the most capable of that game style while simultaneously saying that making the physical demand greater, because they have to spend longer on the ground, isn't going to push it even further towards conditioned and experienced bodies.

I'm guessing you expect the game style and coaches requirements from their players to change?

Do they necessarily spend longer on the ground or are their rotations managed differently?

You can still give a midfielder 20% of his time off the ground if that time is done in longer blocks than the short bursts they currently do.

I believe that the high rotations style is unnatural for young players and one of the things they have to get used to. Most good juniors spend their career the ground all the time, and then come to AFL and get rotated off every few minutes. It is hard to build continuity in your football if after every few possessions you are running to the bench for a rest.

 

[Split Personality]

Take out the rotations where a player comes off after kicking a goal and most teams should be fine

 

[PapaJ]

Why is everyone against the sub rule? It gives development opportunity to the youth?

I'm not, that's my point. I reluctantly OK with it going because it's a source of frustration for players and, to a lesser degree, fans - but I like aspects of it and, as I said, we will no doubt one day be moaning that we don't have a way of introducing young players steadily into AFL level which will leave them out all together in games they would otherwise have got a taste at.

Was it not Clarkson who said that he hesitated at using 1st year players as the sub given their lack of endurance - in case someone went down (can't find the quote right now but i'm 99% sure he said it around 2013 re: Jed Anderson). The implication there is that he would be even more hesitant starting them for a full game.

Irrespective of whether the sub rule works or not (I think it does), the reduction in interchanges I think will have the greatest effect on limiting the playing of 1st year players in coaches minds. 90 interchanges is below the current average and essentially obligates coaches to give players 19-22 greater game time. You can't afford to have anyone riding the bench for a significant period of time because you have limited windows in which to rest your 'stars'.

I think that's one way it could go anyway. Inevitably the AFL will change it again in 2 years without waiting for the tactical adjustments and counters to settle.

That's my thinking too. With the odd exception, and not including teams that will be in heavy rebuilding mode, young players, especially first years, are going to be a rarer thing in teams at the top end of the table. The disadvantage to your team to have a player that wont be able to spend extended TOG will become more risky.

Having said that, coaches will find ways of making it work with what they've got, I just suspect that, for the most part, it will discourage those very young players without a pre-season or two under their belt.

 

[ilikepotatoes]

Players will just train for the new conditions. This won't change a thing about the game. Stupid silly rule.

 

[Admiral Byng]

I think this suits us. We can rest the resting ruckman on the bench, and go for forwards who can lead up. No more kicking long to a pack in the cold spot 20m out.

 

[poshman]

Think if we are smart we will use the opportunity to change four at every break depending on flow of game.

It may impact the implementation of the zone and the ability of players to perform it. Will be interested to see how Lyon - Clarkson etc take advantage of it.

Glad the sub is going. Never been a fan.