Opinion Suban

[Harry Reems]

Subes is great with his effort and run, however he often gets himself into trouble with poor decisions like kicking under pressure and trying to take tackles on. He needs better awareness and needs to think whilst under pressure a bit more.

He is not alone though.

 

[manpurple]

Still don't know where he is at. He was great round 1, Decent Round 2 and absent last week.
Danyle is doing enough for an outside mid, he is working hard. Has missed a few goals he should have got but I am satisfied with what he is doing - knowing he has another 30%+ improvement to his game.

We know that Suban will average around 15 disposals with the occasional 6-8 possession game and a 20 possession game on the rare occasion. With Pearce we will get around 25 possessions a game with the odd 30 possession game, and rare sub 20 possession game.

SUban is more of an in and under player, where as Pearce is more of a run through the corridor type, collect the handball.

Suban has always seemed to have high potential, he just keeps falling short. Was an expected captain a few years back and is now only just inside the 22. Hoping he can pick it up again against the Hawks.

I love statistics they have a ability to shine light where previously there was innuendo and speculation.
According to the Freo site.
Contested possessions DP 34, NS 22
Clearances DP 13, NS 6
Disposals DP 60, NS 49
Tackles DP 15, NS 10
In all the ways that RTB cares Danyle Pearce is better by at least 33%. This is not even a contest. DP is an automatic inclusion and Suban is weekly justifying his spot agains the new players.

Suban has been in our better half.

Just curious, by which measure?

 

[pavsbootlace]

Hill has done nothing in all 3 games. Go start a thread about him.

Suban has been in our better half.

Hill was one of our best players in the Derby. As was Suban.

 

[apuchar]

Not sure we were talking about whether one should stay and one should go, but whether it would make more sense to play Nick on the wing and DP at half back. Nick does a lot with his possessions, so stats don't tell all of the story.

 

[Freo4life]

His problem has always been his consistency, having the odd great game and then multiple average/below average games mixed in-between. For a young player this is to be expected, but Suban is at the stage where he has to deliver consistently or play WAFL.

Not to mention the team is now at a point where solid players e.g Crozier, Sutcliffe, Neale, Ibbo are dropped/playing WAFL/sub and spots are arguably harder to come by than at any stage in our existence that I can remember.

Nick needs to play games similar to round 1 or he will find himself replaced by the likes of Sutcliffe, Neale and Crozier permanently in addition to (hopefully) Mora coming back into the team in the latter part of the year.

 

[Frigate]

I love statistics they have a ability to shine light where previously there was innuendo and speculation.
According to the Freo site.
Contested possessions DP 34, NS 22
Clearances DP 13, NS 6
Disposals DP 60, NS 49
Tackles DP 15, NS 10
In all the ways that RTB cares Danyle Pearce is better by at least 33%. This is not even a contest. DP is an automatic inclusion and Suban is weekly justifying his spot agains the new players.



Just curious, by which measure?

The OP is about playing midfield. Players that find the pill play mid. That is why players like Swan and Ablett are considered the best. They get the pill + use it well. Players like Suban use it well and rarely find it on a bad day. I will try not and regress to compare Suban to the likes mentioned, but I stand by he is a confidence player. Good or bad.

I am sure Max Duffy with the opportunity would achieve similar results to Suban's early years. Suban has not improved that much IMO. I was hoping, but another tough day at the office and Suban is not involved again.

Stats don't lie when you look at the good teams. When you look at the crap ones make hay where the sun shines, but the Swans, Hawks, Pies, Cats have their good players getting possessions - they win matches.

Anyway on topic : IMO. no Suban is not a midifielder. It is because he fails to touch the pill on too many occasions and he has never had leather poisoning (even if some of those are junk time possessions - for the players that get that status).

 

[Dockernut]

Get him angry. He plays so much better after a bit of a jumper punch. So does anyone know what Dale Kickett's doing these days?

Dealing with all these ****ing stormtroopers!

 

[Stronzo]

Get him angry. He plays so much better after a bit of a jumper punch. So does anyone know what Dale Kickett's doing these days?

Working for the Wirrapanda foundation.

 

[Freomaniac]

I actually think he's having a good season. Looks a lot faster than previous years and love his attack on the football.

Looking at his stats in his 1st 3 games...

round 1 : 19 disposals (13 kicks 6 handballs), 3 goals

round 2: 20 disposals (14 kicks, 6 handballs), 1 behind

round 3: 10 disposals (6 kicks 4 handballs)

as meatloaf once sang.... 2 out 3 aint bad. 20 disposals per game isnt bad for a guy like him last year he was only averaging 15 disposals.

He might be dropped though.

 

[Stronzo]

Hard to say. I didn't see what his role was, he may have been running with someone.

 

[prattsta]

He's only had 1 poor game. However, there is too much pressure on from just outside the 22 for poor performances to become a regular thing. Unless his R1 performance becomes the norm, Suban will be joining Ibbotson in the WAFL. Suban just doesn't enough enough credits in the bank, consistency is the only thing that will keep him safe.

Suban is not alone though, a lot of players are under pressure at the moment. Crozier, Sutcliffe, Neale, Mellington and Sheridan are all pressing. The likes of Simpson, Duffy (1.5 in the WAFL FFS) and Michie will all be adding there voices to the 'pick me' chorus later in the season.

 

[estibador]

Not sure we were talking about whether one should stay and one should go, but whether it would make more sense to play Nick on the wing and DP at half back.

The way DP has been kicking the ball this season I'd wanna keep him as far away from the backline as possible.

 

[apuchar]

The way DP has been kicking the ball this season I'd wanna keep him as far away from the backline as possible.

I think he just needs a little time to settle. He appears (to me at least) quite self-conscious and wants to impress. Probably the pressure of expectation. But you're right he has regularly missed targets (mostly set shots at goal) and kicked into the man on the mark. Can't question his endeavour though.
He had a very good season an a half-back for Port last year apparently.

 

[Stronzo]

I think he just needs a little time to settle.

Sod that.

 

[paul8241]

I think he just needs a little time to settle. He appears (to me at least) quite self-conscious and wants to impress. Probably the pressure of expectation. But you're right he has regularly missed targets (mostly set shots at goal) and kicked into the man on the mark. Can't question his endeavour though.
He had a very good season an a half-back for Port last year apparently.

Have you noticed the improvement in Port this year?

Curious......

 

[estibador]

Have you noticed the improvement in Port this year?

Curious......

Drawing a long bow there. Having a real coach will do that to a team, whether DP was still there or not.

 

[paul8241]

Drawing a long bow there. Having a real coach will do that to a team, whether DP was still there or not.

Long bow indeed. I think DP will work out alright for us.

 

[Fred Ziffel]

Have you noticed the improvement in Port this year?

Curious......

David Kosch has realigned the club.
Danyle Pearce will be a star for us. He is just trying too hard right now; he'll settle.
The only real criticism anybody could make about Danyle this year is his kicking which we all know, is elite.
He's still getting heaps of the ball and not exactly turning it over.

 

[paul8241]

David Kosch has realigned the club.
Danyle Pearce will be a star for us. He is just trying too hard right now; he'll settle.
The only real criticism anybody could make about Danyle this year is his kicking which we all know, is elite.
He's still getting heaps of the ball and not exactly turning it over.

Agreed, I'm still happy with our pick-up once he's settled he'll be a game winner.

 

[apuchar]

Have you noticed the improvement in Port this year?

Curious......

That's a strange comment. Hardly think Danyle is that important.

 

[apuchar]

Sod that.

It's round 4, new team, new state, expectation that he would be the last piece in our midfield. I hardly think he is solely responsible for our lapse against Essendon and all the missed shots for goal. Walters missed quite a few and so did many other players who's skills didn't stand up to wet weather. If he hasn't improved by mid-season than I'll be the first to call for his demotion. At the moment I reserve the right to give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Stronzo]

Looks like he's back to the twos for a few weeks.

Just doesn't get enough of the ball. Neale is a much better option at this stage.

Hopefully Crozier in next week.

 

[mike91]

Looks like he's back to the twos for a few weeks.

Just doesn't get enough of the ball. Neale is a much better option at this stage.

Hopefully Crozier in next week.

Possibly the quickest sub ever, non injury related. You know your playing in the 2's next week when that happens.

 

[Mighty Guybrush]

Yep keep him out, that was a woeful performance today amidst a plethora of woeful performances

 

[Stronzo]

He's too much of a confidence player.