News Suns to ask for Pick 1 as a priority pick

[Toump Ass]

I'd give them a three year window to sign 2 out of contract players a year as if they were unrestricted free agents, with those clubs receiving compo

Compensation picks are shit.

Two beginning of first round and two beginning of second round "compensation" picks (for example) mean a team that doesn't have a first get bumped down four spots in the draft for reasons that have nothing to do with them.

And situations arise where the compensation is of a higher value than what the departing player would be worth on the open market.

My club has obviously benefited before (Frawley's good, but he was never pick 3 good) but all the same they need to be eradicated. It's stupid that club can sign a player without giving up anything and disadvantage a whole bunch of other clubs in the process.

 

[Peel67skin]

Compensation picks are s**t.

Two beginning of first round and two beginning of second round "compensation" picks (for example) mean a team that doesn't have a first get bumped down four spots in the draft for reasons that have nothing to do with them.

And situations arise where the compensation is of a higher value that departing player would have have received on the open market.

My club has obviously benefited before (Frawley's good, but he was never pick 3 good) but all the same they need to be eradicated. It's stupid that club can sign a player without giving up anything and disadvantage a whole bunch of other clubs in the process.

I agree, one priority pick only drop one spot, those players that willing to go to GCS are all pass it or old fart, their value are more likely 2nd round or 3rd pick, GC future 2nd and Brisbane first round should be able to convert three to four second Rd and third round pick to get out of contract players who is just above average or not best 22 in their club or injuries prone eg stephen hills, Greenwood, Menegola.

 

[Crow till I die]

The minute they AFL brought in live pick trading should be the exact time PP's are binned forever. Why would a club bother to be aggressive to trade if the AFL are going to pull the rug out from under their feet. If carlton finish bottom 2 this year i'll yell you that anderson or rowell will be called out ny the crows..why the hell should they be punished. Plenty of other ways to help GC..compromising the draft and the integrity of live trading is not fair on the rest of the comp

 

[Peel67skin]

The minute they AFL brought in live pick trading should be the exact time PP's are binned forever. Why would a club bother to be aggressive to trade if the AFL are going to pull the rug out from under their feet. If carlton finish bottom 2 this year i'll yell you that anderson or rowell will be called out ny the crows..why the hell should they be punished. Plenty of other ways to help GC..compromising the draft and the integrity of live trading is not fair on the rest of the comp

There is nothing fair, Adelaide came into AFL competition playing less games than Brisbane, Port and Fremantle, able to get Father and son players faster than the other three club.

 

[Crow till I die]

There is nothing fair, Adelaide came into AFL competition playing less games than Brisbane, Port and Fremantle, able to get Father and son players faster than the other three club.

I am not sure what you are trying to say but i am sure it has nothing to do with the point i make that the AFL brought in live trading and that they may do fatal damage to it if they compromise it. Plenty of other ways to help GC without destroying the integrity of live pick trading and the draft in general. Anyway GC are going to get pick 1 and that still gets them one of the top 2 rated kids. They have won 3 games before injuries mounted and they were competitive in numerous other games..they don't need a PP they need to be able to keep their better players on the park for longer

 

[Juddernaut08]

Not really what I said- clearly Kelly would be huge for us (although Hunt and Salem were part of the same deal with Tyson and they're both best 22 players (and FWIW Salem will probably win our b&f this year)).

We didn't have time for Kelly to develop into the player he is now. We needed to inject talent as soon as possible into the club.

Under Roos, we improved every year which helped the club attract players, retain our existing kids, and attract sponsors, which was critical given we were dependent on AFL handouts and needed to get off the bottom of the ladder as soon as possible.

Judd wasn't the wrong move for Carlton just because Kennedy turned into an elite forward...

Even if you needed senior bodies at the time, in hindsight you would not give up Kelly. This is because Kelly is so much better than Tyson and Salem.

Judd was the gem in that trade, although Kennedy has had a great career. You can criticise the Judd trade for timing, but not that we ended up with a talent deficiency. He's one of the best ever.

Kelly was a mistake.

 

[Peel67skin]

I am not sure what you are trying to say but i am sure it has nothing to do with the point i make that the AFL brought in live trading and that they may do fatal damage to it if they compromise it. Plenty of other ways to help GC without destroying the integrity of live pick trading and the draft in general. Anyway GC are going to get pick 1 and that still gets them one of the top 2 rated kids. They have won 3 games before injuries mounted and they were competitive in numerous other games..they don't need a PP they need to be able to keep their better players on the park for longer

If Melbourne had pick 2 end of the season and want Jack Martin, I am happy to swap pick with them without AFL using pick 1 as priority pick eg Brisbane first round pick , but Brisbane did get priority pick in 2016 I can't see why not GCS ask for one even an end of first round is better than nothing.
In 2016 pick 2 Taranto
= McCluggage and Jarrod Berry
I'n 2019 pick 2 Anderson
Could be = Jack Martin + eg Brisbane first round eg Brodie Kemp or Taheny. Or Bid on Fremantle academy player Henry.

Trade Jack Martin and Brisbane first round out.
Gain Anderson, without losing either Lukosius or Rankine.

 

[Toump Ass]

Even if you needed senior bodies at the time, in hindsight you would not give up Kelly.

Nah. If we're going to revise history we'll just grab Cripps instead thanks.

 

[Crow till I die]

If Melbourne had pick 2 end of the season and want Jack Martin, I am happy to swap pick with them without AFL using pick 1 as priority pick eg Brisbane first round pick , but Brisbane did get priority pick in 2016 I can't see why not GCS ask for one even an end of first round is better than nothing.
In 2016 pick 2 Taranto
= McCluggage and Jarrod Berry
I'n 2019 pick 2 Anderson
Could be = Jack Martin + eg Brisbane first round eg Brodie Kemp or Taheny. Or Bid on Fremantle academy player Henry.

Trade Jack Martin and Brisbane first round out.
Gain Anderson, without losing either Lukosius or Rankine.

To be fair whatever trading GC do to engineer a higher pick with another club is their business and has no compromising effect on the draft and live pick trading..just like every clib has the right to do. But if carlton finish 17th and through live pick trading (in which the crows parted with a 2018 and 2019 1st round pick to obtain carlton's 2019 1st round pick) the crows get pick 2. Under no circumstance should the AFL pull the rug from under their feet for being bold enough to make a trade that looks to have worked out very well and put them in a position to take either rowell or anderson..regarded as the 2 standouts in this draft. I would hope that not just the crows but 16 other clubs are demanding the AFL do not compromise the live pick trade mechanism by compromising the draft by awarding and front ended priority picks

 

[Peel67skin]

To be fair whatever trading GC do to engineer a higher pick with another club is their business and has no compromising effect on the draft and live pick trading..just like every clib has the right to do. But if carlton finish 17th and through live pick trading (in which the crows parted with a 2018 and 2019 1st round pick to obtain carlton's 2019 1st round pick) the crows get pick 2. Under no circumstance should the AFL pull the rug from under their feet for being bold enough to make a trade that looks to have worked out very well and put them in a position to take either rowell or anderson..regarded as the 2 standouts in this draft. I would hope that not just the crows but 16 other clubs are demanding the AFL do not compromise the live pick trade mechanism by compromising the draft by awarding and front ended priority picks

To be fair with the way Melbourne and Sydney perform I'm not surprise that Adelaide and Carlton pick could end up like St kilda pick 7,8 in 2018 draft. Maybe pick 6, 7 instead. St kilda and Carlton are so unpredictable with their current coach.

 

[Crow till I die]

To be fair with the way Melbourne and Sydney perform I'm not surprise that Adelaide and Carlton pick could end up like St kilda pick 7,8 in 2018 draft. Maybe pick 6, 7 instead.

Or if gold coast win another couple of games this year carlton could hand over pick 1

 

[OB11]

AFL player movement has no integrity - it has been compromised so much already by FA, Academies, NGA, F-S that it is a joke.

AFL has to decide whether they are looking to equalise the competition or to maintain "integrity".

 

[Crow till I die]

AFL player movement has no integrity - it has been compromised so much already by FA, Academies, NGA, F-S that it is a joke.

AFL has to decide whether they are looking to equalise the competition or to maintain "integrity".

Equalise it another way and there are plenty of them. Just don't screw with the draft at the expense of live pick trading and the other clubs

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I've explained before that we've had precedents many times on trades where the value changes after the fact, and there has never been compensation allocated for it, yet Crow till I die still clings to the delusion that such a situation can't and won't happen.

 

[OB11]

I will be laughing hysterically if Blues beat the Crows this week to stitch up the #3 pick and end the Crows finals chances, all the time thinking of Crow till I Die death riding this game.

If that makes me shallow then so be it.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I will be laughing hysterically if Blues beat the Crows this week to stitch up the #3 pick and end the Crows finals chances, all the time thinking of Crow till I Die death riding this game.

If that makes me shallow then so be it.

"No, no, anything but that!" wailed the Croweaters as their dreams of Noah Anderson donning the red, gold and navy blue faded into the void.

 

[Rioli8217]

Yeah but its called a priority pick because its their to HELP. The pick will help the suns if they draft right and get rowell or anderson. This is short term loss for long term gain,

 

[Johnny Bananas]

if your club was going to be shafted after exhausting good trade capital to put yourself in a position to nab a very high pick only for the AFL to devalue your clubs trade i guarantee you you would be complaining

No I wouldn't, because I know the precedent that has been set, I know that trading for a future pick carries inherent risk that the pick will be lower than I predict due to multiple reasons, I know that high picks are not guaranteed to be superstars and that you can get a star with a lower pick sometimes because drafting isn't an exact science. Cripps is possibly the finest player under 25 and he went at pick 13. Adelaide can get a star at whatever pick they draft at.

 

[Crow till I die]

Yeah but its called a priority pick because its their to HELP. The pick will help the suns if they draft right and get rowell or anderson. This is short term loss for long term gain,

There are so many other ways to HELP gold coast without compromising the draft..that is the point

 

[Crow till I die]

No I wouldn't, because I know the precedent that has been set, I know that trading for a future pick carries inherent risk that the pick will be lower than I predict due to multiple reasons, I know that high picks are not guaranteed to be superstars and that you can get a star with a lower pick sometimes because drafting isn't an exact science. Cripps is possibly the finest player under 25 and he went at pick 13. Adelaide can get a star at whatever pick they draft at.

I agree with most of this..but not the inherent risk in pick trading when the Aafl has made a point of introducing live pick trading and selling it as a great new opportunity. To immediately devalue it by compromising the draft is counter to tbat whole concept. Put it another way..the crows no doubt assumed carlton would finish likely bottom 2 and pulled the trigger on the trade knowing a long way out that there were 2 very highly rated kids coming through. If they likely thought that pick could be pushed out by factors other than carltob winning games would they have done it? Maybe they should be compensated by the AFL if a PP is given having lost good draft capital only to have their possible top 2 pick devalued

 

[Rioli8217]

There are so many other ways to HELP gold coast without compromising the draft..that is the point

Their not compromising the draft. The draft system is based on giving bad teams good young talent. You can't give money to them because that doesn't help them get good players. Sure they can improve facilities but that does shit all.

 

[La Dispute]

They’d be getting Rowell AND Anderson, and that’s why they’d be so keen to get that priority pick. Two gun plug and play footballers who will hopefully stick together, and be a part of a seriously good young group of footballers.

Luko, Rankine, King, Bowes, Rowell and Anderson is arguably more talented than the initial crop of young guns at GWS.

As Brisbane found out with McCluggage and Berry (x2), the intangibles like picking good mates together do matter. Then who knows? Get enough traction, and they’ll start to attract some decent free agents.

 

[Crow till I die]

Their not compromising the draft. The draft system is based on giving bad teams good young talent. You can't give money to them because that doesn't help them get good players. Sure they can improve facilities but that does s**t all.

They already most likely have pick 1 from ladder position. They also have the brisbane 1st rounder. There are 2 good kids they get anyway. Their onfield issues as has widely been acknowledged stem from injury to key players..they won 3 games early and lost a few others by close margins before injury hit they get back these injured players next year. They might get access to large parts of the northern territory as part of their zone picking up a good recruiting and developing ground for indigenous players. A soft cap increase would help them get the best backroom staff available to work with dew and to help market to retain current players. A salary cap increase in the form of an AFL ambassadorship gives them room to make plays for topline players by being able to offer far more money than the other clubs can. It also allows them to be very active in the free agency market and to go after players finishing the last year on contracts. As i said there are plenty of ways the AFL can help Gold Coast for the short and long term without compromising the concept of live pick trading and the draft in general

 

[Crow till I die]

They’d be getting Rowell AND Anderson, and that’s why they’d be so keen to get that priority pick. Two gun plug and play footballers who will hopefully stick together, and be a part of a seriously good young group of footballers.

Luko, Rankine, King, Bowes, Rowell and Anderson is arguably more talented than the initial crop of young guns at GWS.

As Brisbane found out with McCluggage and Berry (x2), the intangibles like picking good mates together do matter. Then who knows? Get enough traction, and they’ll start to attract some decent free agents.

They will get one of anderson or rowell anyway and as for retention rankine has signed with some others on so it seems the club may have started to turn the corner. So again..no need to compromise the draft..plenty of other ways to help them

 

[Johnny Bananas]

They will get one of anderson or rowell anyway and as for retention rankine has signed with some others on so it seems the club may have started to turn the corner.

Rankine by himself means little in long term trends. David Swallow and Jack Martin have also stuck around until now, it doesn't mean Gold Coast had no retention problems in the time since those two were drafted. If Martin leaves at the end of the year, the same tired narrative will be brought out that the Suns can't keep anyone. If they have every talented youngster from the past three drafts re-signing then you could fairly say it's turning around. Right now they still need help.