News Suns to ask for Pick 1 as a priority pick

[Crow till I die]

Impact for the now doesn’t always pay off. I bet Melbourne regret giving up pick 2 (josh Kelly) and trading back to get Tyson and salem. It so happens that now a josh Kelly type is exactly what they need

Absolutely there are no guarantees you are correct. I just made the point that it was recognised far out that it was a super draft and the stars aligned for Gold Coast to reap a number of 1st round picks by trading 2 higher ones out as there happened to be a few top rated SA kids. Imagine getting 5 x 1sts to go with the Ben king pick - could have set their youth up for a decade

 

[Peel67skin]

Absolutely there are no guarantees you are correct. I just made the point that it was recognised far out that it was a super draft and the stars aligned for Gold Coast to reap a number of 1st round picks by trading 2 higher ones out as there happened to be a few top rated SA kids. Imagine getting 5 x 1sts to go with the Ben king pick - could have set their youth up for a decade

Still depend on who you pick, if you pick Chayce Jones, hately, Ned Henry instead of Butters, duursma, Jordan Clark with Ben King that is still a fail. Lukosius kicking is so good that it is dump to give that up for Jones and Hately. GCS can easily get Jones and hately type in thus year draft with Brisbane first Rd pick and add Lukosius/Ben kings AFL games experience on top.

 

[Crow till I die]

Still depend on who you pick, if you pick Chayce Jones, hately, Ned Henry instead of Butters, duursma, Jordan Clark with Ben King that is still a fail.

not at all - Chayce has only got limited time as a midfielder this year as the crows have the crouch brothers and Sloane and were playing gibbs up until recently. McHenry was a later 1st - pick 17? and Hately has come in twice and racked up the touches - but is behind guys like Kelly, Coniglio, Taranto and a few others - they have a heap of midfield depth. But for argument sake, had GC traded picks 2 & 3 to the crows and port, they could possibly have ended up with 5, 6 (that they already had), 8, 10, 13 & 16 - that is quite a haul

 

[La Dispute]

The mature agers that go to the Gold Coast aren’t guns, or even solid best 22 players who’d get games in most teams. They’re guys like Miles, Ellis and GHS, who are career fringe players who’s AFL careers likely end at the Gold Coast.

No team is going to give away a player worth Pick 1, and Gold Coast would refuse to trade it if they didn’t have to. They may as well bank the pick, and at least add something with some decent value - namely another gun young player at the top end of the draft. At least if they leave at the end of their career (or mid-contract) they’ll be compensated. The onus then is on Gold Coast to get the most out of the player.

Half-measures like giving them some borderline AFL-standard player doesn’t do them any good. They need elite talent - and they can only obtain that in the short-term by bringing in the very best young players, or being given extra cap space to concoct a godfather offer.

They’ve got a precedent with Walsh dominating in a lowly team to show the impact of signing as many talented self-starters as possible for any future success.

 

[Crow till I die]

The mature agers that go to the Gold Coast aren’t guns, or even solid best 22 players who’d get games in most teams. They’re guys like Miles, Ellis and GHS, who are career fringe players who’s AFL careers likely end at the Gold Coast.

No team is going to give away a player worth Pick 1, and Gold Coast would refuse to trade it if they didn’t have to. They may as well bank the pick, and at least add something with some decent value - namely another gun young player at the top end of the draft. At least if they leave at the end of their career (or mid-contract Scrimshaw) they’ll be compensated. The onus then is on Gold Coast to get the most out of the player.

Half-measures like giving them some borderline AFL-standard player doesn’t do them any good. They need elite talent - and they can only obtain that in the short-term by bringing in the very best young players, or being given extra cap space to concoct a godfather offer.

They’ve got a precedent with Walsh dominating in a lowly team to show the impact of signing as many talented self-starters as possible for any future success.

This is the simple and best answer in bold as 1, it allows them to offer a godfather offer to attract top talent. 2, it does not compromise the integrity of live trading and the draft in general for all other clubs & 3. It allows them to go after good mature age players rather than have to try and build culture with yet more 18 year old kids

 

[Toump Ass]

Gold Coast's aim was not to win an extra game or two this year... they'll take any advantage they can get. Any club would in their situation.

If Gold Coast don't want to win games, **** them. That shit is called tanking.

Impact for the now doesn’t always pay off. I bet Melbourne regret giving up pick 2 (josh Kelly) and trading back to get Tyson and salem. It so happens that now a josh Kelly type is exactly what they need

**** no. This was 100% the right move at the time. We were abysmal and needed as much talent as possible- the first year Tyson came to the club he earned 11 Brownlow votes, helped us win a bunch of games, made us a (way) more attractive proposition for other recruits, and gave faith to the supporters after the shittest period in our history.

And Salem's a gun (though picking Cripps might have been a wiser choice).

 

[manny100]

No1 - not on. Dons were a rabble after the mass suspensions etc. Yet not vying for a finals spot. Why.?? They are an established club with a huge supporter base and established players want to go there. No one wants to go to the GC. A number 1 pick will not make any difference. The AFL probably needs to overpay some existing good players to go there to help out. Not an easy thing to do either.

 

[La Dispute]

This is the simple and best answer in bold as 1, it allows them to offer a godfather offer to attract top talent. 2, it does not compromise the integrity of live trading and the draft in general for all other clubs & 3. It allows them to go after good mature age players rather than have to try and build culture with yet more 18 year old kids

Agreed, but the likelihood is they offer stupid money to some ultra professional young player (let’s just say Andy Brayshaw) so they get good output in the interim, which will hopefully translate to great output in the future. Similar to the Tom Scully deal.

 

[Pykie]

Agreed, but the likelihood is they offer stupid money to some ultra professional young player (let’s just say Andy Brayshaw) so they get good output in the interim, which will hopefully translate to great output in the future. Similar to the Tom Scully deal.

Ironic considering they traded Andy Bradshaw in the first place for Lachie Weller....

 

[Johnny Bananas]

If Gold Coast don't want to win games, fu** them. That s**t is called tanking.

You'd think a Melbourne fan of all people would actually understand what tanking is, and yet here we are with an incorrect response.

 

[briztoon]

Still depend on who you pick, if you pick Chayce Jones, hately, Ned Henry instead of Butters, duursma, Jordan Clark with Ben King that is still a fail. Lukosius kicking is so good that it is dump to give that up for Jones and Hately. GCS can easily get Jones and hately type in thus year draft with Brisbane first Rd pick and add Lukosius/Ben kings AFL games experience on top.

No they can't, because there aren't really those type of players in this years draft. Well there is a Hately type, but he's tied to GWS through their academy. Listening to a draft podcast today, and a point was made about how shallow the top end and genuine first round talent is this years. By way of an example, they said that if Xavier Duursma was in this years draft, he'd likely go around pick 5 and be the third mid selected after Rowell and Anderson.

But to counter balance this, there are no tall forwards or tall backs in this years draft. A lot of the mids, and players at other positions, are also undersized this year, which raises questions about their transition to AFL and where they'll play at AFL level. So picking two of the best tall prospects we've seen in recent drafts was the right strategy to go.

Same podcast spent 15 minutes discussing GC, their draft last year, and many of the scenario's mentioned, but their final take away was this;

GC right now, are at a similarly spot as to where GWS were in their second year in the competition. Now GC aren't likely to have the same draft concessions that GWS still had in their second and third years, but GC should be focussing on drafting mids. Provided all the kids stay, and GC have their player development sorted, natural progression will see GC improve, but it will take time. As it should be expected.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

The eyes have been picked out of the mature age depth.

This is true, still think Mitch Maguire could be good.

 

[briztoon]

This is the simple and best answer in bold as 1, it allows them to offer a godfather offer to attract top talent. 2, it does not compromise the integrity of live trading and the draft in general for all other clubs & 3. It allows them to go after good mature age players rather than have to try and build culture with yet more 18 year old kids

What makes you believe it will work for Gold Coast if it hasn't worked for North and similar clubs in Melbourne?

Come up with some genuine A grade, elite talents in their prime, that will move to the Gold Coast.

 

[Toump Ass]

You'd think a Melbourne fan of all people would actually understand what tanking is, and yet here we are with an incorrect response.

Oh believe me son my eyes are very, very finely tuned when it comes to sucking as a strategy.

 

[GUMBLETRON]

No they can't, because there aren't really those type of players in this years draft. Well there is a Hately type, but he's tied to GWS through their academy.

To my eye it seems like a draft with a few like Jones - well-balanced midfielders with good run but a little on the small side.

Listening to a draft podcast today, and a point was made about how shallow the top end and genuine first round talent is this years. By way of an example, they said that if Xavier Duursma was in this years draft, he'd likely go around pick 5 and be the third mid selected after Rowell and Anderson.

An interesting take - what's the podcast?

 

[gcsunsfc]

The mature agers that go to the Gold Coast aren’t guns, or even solid best 22 players who’d get games in most teams. They’re guys like Miles, Ellis and GHS, who are career fringe players who’s AFL careers likely end at the Gold Coast.

No team is going to give away a player worth Pick 1, and Gold Coast would refuse to trade it if they didn’t have to. They may as well bank the pick, and at least add something with some decent value - namely another gun young player at the top end of the draft. At least if they leave at the end of their career (or mid-contract Scrimshaw) they’ll be compensated. The onus then is on Gold Coast to get the most out of the player.

Half-measures like giving them some borderline AFL-standard player doesn’t do them any good. They need elite talent - and they can only obtain that in the short-term by bringing in the very best young players, or being given extra cap space to concoct a godfather offer.

They’ve got a precedent with Walsh dominating in a lowly team to show the impact of signing as many talented self-starters as possible for any future success.

Guess Walsh is supported by some more senior players, list demographic a bit different.
A number of those senior players being midfielders

28 + Murphy, Curnow, Kruezer, Simpson, Jones, Casboult, Thomas
24 + Cripps, Plowman, Mcgovern, Newman

GC got
28+ Hanley, Harbrow
24+ Hombsch, Collins, Swallow, Witts, Sexton, Miles, Martin, Murdoch, Day

 

[briztoon]

To my eye it seems like a draft with a few like Jones - well-balanced midfielders with good run but a little on the small side.

An interesting take - what's the podcast?

Lystics AFL podcast.

I like their approach. More from an analytical view, those obviously they don't have all the data clubs do.

I know today, they confirmed what I have felt for much of the season about this draft.

In regards to Jones. Jones performed much better at last years championships than many of this years similar type mids did this year. Where has Jones played most of his football this season? Is he playing more as a small forward or flank, or is he playing actual midfield minutes?

Their view on Caleb Serong is also interesting.

 

[Mego Red]

I'd give GCS a five-year window, where any players 28+ that they sign can have their saleries listed outside the salary cap.

I'd give them a three year window to sign 2 out of contract players a year as if they were unrestricted free agents, with those clubs receiving compo.

This year, I'd give them two picks at the start of the second round, with one of them being a "trade it or lose it" selection.

I'd also lock in a priority pick at the start of the 2020 midyear draft, in addition to wherever their actual selection would lie.

 

[briztoon]

I'd give GCS a five-year window, where any players 28+ that they sign can have their saleries listed outside the salary cap.

I'd give them a three year window to sign 2 out of contract players a year as if they were unrestricted free agents, with those clubs receiving compo.

This year, I'd give them two picks at the start of the second round, with one of them being a "trade it or lose it" selection.

I'd also lock in a priority pick at the start of the 2020 midyear draft, in addition to wherever their actual selection would lie.

None of that really solves the problem of GC being able to attract quality players in the first place.

And putting a trade it or lose it caveat on a priority pick instantly devalues it’s worth as has been discussed multiple times.

 

[PostPaolo]

I've been pro Gold Coast getting a priority pick but they really need to address some of the incompetent list management and trades at the club. The picks-swaps with West Coast and Brisbane are indefensible.

 

[Unders00]

I've been pro Gold Coast getting a priority pick but they really need to address some of the incompetent list management and trades at the club. The picks-swaps with West Coast and Brisbane are indefensible.

The west coast one is probably the worst pick trade ever and was awful at the time. In hindsight the Brisbane one is also terrible however in October last year who was predicting that Brisbane would get so good so quickly

 

[PostPaolo]

The west coast one is probably the worst pick trade ever and was awful at the time. In hindsight the Brisbane one is also terrible however in October last year who was predicting that Brisbane would get so good so quickly

Agree with both points there but after just getting burnt by the West Coast trade I'm surprised they were so willing to to deal those picks.

 

[briztoon]

I've been pro Gold Coast getting a priority pick but they really need to address some of the incompetent list management and trades at the club. The picks-swaps with West Coast and Brisbane are indefensible.

The bloke who made the trade between Gold Coast and West Coast, left Gold Coast and went to work for West Coast right after the trade and draft period. Think he was helping out his new employers.

It was a new list management team who made the Gold Coast and Brisbane trade.

 

[Juddernaut08]

If Gold Coast don't want to win games, fu** them. That s**t is called tanking.

fu** no. This was 100% the right move at the time. We were abysmal and needed as much talent as possible- the first year Tyson came to the club he earned 11 Brownlow votes, helped us win a bunch of games, made us a (way) more attractive proposition for other recruits, and gave faith to the supporters after the s**ttest period in our history.

And Salem's a gun (though picking Cripps might have been a wiser choice).

C'mon mate. How can you say it wouldn't be better to have Josh Kelly. He'd fix your midfield in a flash. We're talking hindsight here - perfect 20/20 vision.

 

[Toump Ass]

C'mon mate. How can you say it wouldn't be better to have Josh Kelly. He'd fix your midfield in a flash. We're talking hindsight here - perfect 20/20 vision.

Not really what I said- clearly Kelly would be huge for us (although Hunt and Salem were part of the same deal with Tyson and they're both best 22 players (and FWIW Salem will probably win our b&f this year)).

We didn't have time for Kelly to develop into the player he is now. We needed to inject talent as soon as possible into the club.

Under Roos, we improved every year which helped the club attract players, retain our existing kids, and attract sponsors, which was critical given we were dependent on AFL handouts and needed to get off the bottom of the ladder as soon as possible.

Judd wasn't the wrong move for Carlton just because Kennedy turned into an elite forward...