Swans V Crows

[Kane McGoodwin]

After our "upset" win over the Cats it is important that we consolidate our top-4 position this week. It is often easy to let things slip after an emotional win like last WE.

Sydney seemed to have found a spark since Roos has taken over, so this will not be an easy game. Remember Port only just won after the siren thanks to Poulton's efforts. On the plus side is that Barry Hall who gave us the most grief in round 3 will still be suspended ... however Micky O'Loughlin got off & should be playing. I think Mott is injured, so we should get some ruck dominance to feed our midfield, which needs a lift from McLeod, Goodwin & Johnson.

Will there be any changes this week? IMO, Doughty is probably the only one in danger, as they may want to give him a full run at South. Either Gallagher could come in if recovered, or perhaps time to try out another tall like Handby (with Bassett still injured).

What does everyone think?

 

[noddy]

After all the hullabaloo concerning Ayresy this week let's hope we have not lost focus on the Swans game this week,

This will be a very dangerous game for us with the Sydney players going out with nothing to lose & trying to impress the new coach,

As for changes i would not make any unless injuries so dictate.

 

[napsyd]

I think when Doughty was on last week he was OK, so I'm not sure I'd drop him. Would like to see Gags get a run though.

Mott may be injured, but the daily news on realfooty said that Ball may play (play ball). I can't forget that game last year at AAMI park when he tore us apart.

Micky O is the biggest danger at the moment. Who will run with him?

 

[Damp Squarie]

Id risk Hart; he will come out smokin after last week!

I didnt see the Oloughlin incident but I heard it was like McLeods and Burgoynes? If so why didnt he get a match?

On the game? That was an emotional win and if they win it their feet are still firmly on the ground.

Kane, Id blood Ruttens before the finals. The kid has a go and would be keen to impress with the carrot a finals spot. Why not?

A good piece of insurance methinks.

I couldnt beleive where Sydney were on the ladder, I thought they were better than that.

therefore its gonna be a danger game.

Goodes needs to be supressed = Clarke will eat him if he Rucks and Biglands will jump thru him


Crows by 7 goal >>>>>>nah make that points

 

[sapaul]

I was confident we were going to win the Geelong match but I'm more nervous about this weekend.

After Port's last kick win in Sydney, they may take revenge on us.

 

[naughty monkey]

I believe you are all being too cautious, Sydney just aren't that good!

In the last 3 weeks they have lost to Port; who did not play anywhere near their best, Brisbane; who were not at their peak either (no Voss, Akermanis, Brown, Bradshaw etc)
and struggled to put away Carlton.

This is a match that Adelaide could play 10% down on last week's gutsy effort and still win. If the boys are switched on they could win by 10+ goals.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Teams

Looks like we will go in with an unchanged side. Critical that we string a few wins together & don't slacken off for this game. If we play at our best we will win, however, if the attitude is wrong (like after the break), Sydney will beat us.

SYDNEY v ADELAIDE
Sunday, 1:10pm AEST, SCG

Sydney
B: Seymour, Dunkley, Nicks
HB: Crouch, Saddington, Barry
C: Fosdike, Mathews, Kennelly
HF: Cresswell, Stevens, Bolton
F: Fixter, M.O’Loughlin, Bennett
Foll: Goodes, Williams, Kelly
Inter (from): Ablett, Brockman, Buchanan, Kirk, McPherson, Mott, O’Keefe
In: Ablett, McPherson, Mott
Out: -

Adelaide
B: Hart, Smart, Shir
HB: Edwards, McGregor, Goodwin
C: Ladhams, Bickley, Mattner
HF: Johnson, Stevens, Ricciuto
F: McLeod, Burton, Clarke
Foll: Biglands, Stenglein, Bode
Inter (from): Crowell, Massie, Nelson, Doughty, John****, Beinke, Schell
In: Massie, Nelson, Schell
Out: -

 

[MarksGirl-kbcrowgirl]

Rutten is a rookie

Kane, Id blood Ruttens before the finals. The kid has a go and would be keen to impress with the carrot a finals spot. Why not

Topjars, Ben Rutten is not on the senior list. He is a rookie and therefore he can only be elevated if someone is put on the long term injury list. When Fitzy went down they took a long time to decide on who to put up. They chose Marty Mattner. Rutten will have to wait until the end of the year when the club may choose to elevate him, until then he can't play a senior game.

k
xx

 

[BSA]

Always a fascinating contest thats for sure, regardless of respective ladder positions.

Ricuitto will be the difference, he's the only one out there who really can genuinely bust a game open.

The Swans will be super competitive and in Goodes and O'Loughlin we have two great players, one who seems to have really hit a vein of form and the other is playing much better these days too.

We gotta a good backline too, Linking players who run hard out of defence are playing well - Crouch demands your best tagger to completely take him out and Barry has genuine pace.

oh and the Irih boy Keneally has pace to burn, is elusive and his field kicking can be quite devastating in its accuracy.

But methinks Sunday will be a reapeat of alot of Syd v Adel games :

We will have spirit and fight, and you won't like our pocket-sized SCG one littel bit BUT - Man for man, Adelaide has the edge in skill and in Ricuitto I'm afraid you have the weapon you need to win, even if you do play like **** all day

cheers

 

[TheMase]

Originally posted by naughty monkey
I believe you are all being too cautious, Sydney just aren't that good!

In the last 3 weeks they have lost to Port; who did not play anywhere near their best, Brisbane; who were not at their peak either (no Voss, Akermanis, Brown, Bradshaw etc)
and struggled to put away Carlton.

This is a match that Adelaide could play 10% down on last week's gutsy effort and still win. If the boys are switched on they could win by 10+ goals.

I always hear this.

Sydney AREN'T that bad.
The problems with the team are all psychological, and with new coach and new staff, I think they will surprise a lot next year.

How come every time Sydney beats a side, or even Sydney PLAYS a side, they weren't at their best.

Do you ever think that maybe, just MAYBE it has something to do with the way Sydney play, they MAKE the opposition play bad?
Sydney do lead the competition in tackles, which would suggest that they put A LOT of pressure on the opposition, which would contribute to them playing bad.
Nah couldn't be

Back to the game, I think it will be a close contest. Mott is playing as far as I know, and Ball is not.

I am going to go Sydney by 15 points.

 

[BSA]

ummm yeah what he said

 

[ok.crows]

Originally posted by TheMase


I always hear this.

Sydney AREN'T that bad.
The problems with the team are all psychological, and with new coach and new staff, I think they will surprise a lot next year.

How come every time Sydney beats a side, or even Sydney PLAYS a side, they weren't at their best.

Do you ever think that maybe, just MAYBE it has something to do with the way Sydney play, they MAKE the opposition play bad?
Sydney do lead the competition in tackles, which would suggest that they put A LOT of pressure on the opposition, which would contribute to them playing bad.
Nah couldn't be

Back to the game, I think it will be a close contest. Mott is playing as far as I know, and Ball is not.

I am going to go Sydney by 15 points.

Why do people under-rate Adelaide, I might ask as well? If Adelaide are truly a side vulnerable to the team in 13th place, how the heck did Adelaide get to fourth place?

Sydney without Hall and Ball, Mott against the competition leading ruck combination ... Crows by a few goals I would think. Probably should be more than just a few, but Crows haven't been on best form just lately either.

 

[BSA]

yeah, its a strange one - Adelaide's confidence going into this fixture is always sky high....

But in every second game or so, you end up paying pretty dearly.

Last year remember ? - you even had the opening of a new grandstand to celelbrate, big crowd, beautiful day, everyone expected you guys to win and then what happened ?

you got done pretty badly - and my point is that Sydney have always had a habit of upsetting the Crows applecart on numerous other occasions as well.

Don't think you can cruise thru tomorrow at 80 percent and pick up a lazy 4 points.

We have a nasty habit of spoiling your party

cheers

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Always a fascinating contest thats for sure, regardless of respective ladder positions.

BSA, got the feeling that this one will go down to the wire like last week at the Cattery. No doubt Sydney are better than their ladder position would otherwise reflect having lost quite a few close games.

Ricuitto will be the difference, he's the only one out there who really can genuinely bust a game open.

Roo is coming into some vintage form & Goodwin has also been better in recent weeks. We just need McLeod (who is not 100%) to get back to his best.

Midfield matchups will be intersting - Goodwin, Bode, Bickley, Stenglein, Johnson, Mattner, Ladhams, etc v Williams, Kelly, Cresswell, Bolton, Matthews, Kennelly, Fosdike, etc Crows have been using Mattner in a run-with role recently with Stenglein the usual suspect in this role. Reckon Mattner may pick up Williams, Stinger on Cresswell (although he may pick up O'Loughlin if Goodes starts forward), with Bickley to match Kelly's hardness at the ball.

Crouch demands your best tagger to completely take him out and Barry has genuine pace.

Didn't Croch play on Roo last time? Reckon Barry may pick up Burton, who will want to put in a better effort this week.

Sydney do lead the competition in tackles, which would suggest that they put A LOT of pressure on the opposition, which would contribute to them playing bad.

Mase - Crows' tackling & pressure is where they have really improved this year. Could be a hard tough game in small confines then. Most of our midfield are hard nuts.

Mott is playing as far as I know, and Ball is not.

So will Mott start in ruck, allowing Goodes to go forward?

 

[BSA]

Tactics re : Mott have been interesting by Roos

Last time Mott just rucked everything untill he totally ran out of puff.

Dunno what will happen tomorrow but I do believe he is coming back in with back spasms so Goodes may be called upon to ruck on and off throughout the game.

Hope not, we need Goodes as the all purpose fast tall utility - bobbing up everywhere to make an impact. At the top of his game, he can be damn near impossible to tag-out or even run-with when playing this role.

So, as has been the case so often this season - alot will be on Motts shoulders

good job he's a solid competitor.

Imagine if we still had Simon Feast as our 3rd Ruck ? *shudders*

cheers

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Hope not, we need Goodes as the all purpose fast tall utility - bobbing up everywhere to make an impact. At the top of his game, he can be damn near impossible to tag-out or even run-with when playing this role.

Goodes is the Swans player who concerns me most. I remember when he thrashed I think Rehn at Football Park in a game a few years back. Hopefully Biglands & Clarke can match him for athletisim. Reckon we have the options to cover Goodes if he playes forward - Smart, McGregor, Hart, etc.

 

[TheMase]

Originally posted by ok.crows


Why do people under-rate Adelaide, I might ask as well? If Adelaide are truly a side vulnerable to the team in 13th place, how the heck did Adelaide get to fourth place?

Sydney without Hall and Ball, Mott against the competition leading ruck combination ... Crows by a few goals I would think. Probably should be more than just a few, but Crows haven't been on best form just lately either.

I do not under-rate the Crows. That is not my point.

Sydney are WAY better than their ladder position suggests. They have fallen short so many times in close matches (mostly under Eade), and nearly knocked off Port Adelaide during their winning streak.

We are not playing bad football.
Mott is playing.

Any team is vulnerable to any team in this competition, its pretty close right through.

 

[BSA]

well as it turned out, the game today just bears out Lukes point really.

Slow to start, we gave the Crows a soft and dumb run in the first quarter and well - whaddiya know ?

we end up winning the rest of the game by a goal or so.

typical effort really - Crows were as usual much more skillfull and much smarter in their use of the ball, yet somehow the Swans for all their indirect and poor disposal hung in there.

Adelaide had the edge in skill and took their chances. For all Sydney's fight, a simple inability to execute basic football skills has cost us yet again.

Its pretty clear to me we have a competitive list at Sydney, the youngsters seem to be game enough and old blokes like Dunkley are still playing very well.

If only we could pick up a ball rolling along the ground, if only we could hold onto a simple chest mark, if only we could actually find a target with a pass, if only we looked and checked before disposing of the ball, if only we could convert simple kicks at goal.

never mind, summer beckons and I guess its just a matter of hitting the track and practising skill s over and over and over and over and over and over and over ....

cheers

 

[ok.crows]

Originally posted by TheMase


I do not under-rate the Crows. That is not my point.

Sydney are WAY better than their ladder position suggests. They have fallen short so many times in close matches (mostly under Eade), and nearly knocked off Port Adelaide during their winning streak.

We are not playing bad football.
Mott is playing.

Any team is vulnerable to any team in this competition, its pretty close right through.

I am quite sure you honestly think you don't under-rate the Crows. But nevertheless like so many other footy followers this season, you do. Same with BSA.

You both under-rate Crows by about five goals.

I think I had it more or less spot on with "Crows by a few goals I would think. Probably should be more than just a few, but Crows haven't been on best form just lately either."

 

[TheMase]

Originally posted by ok.crows


I am quite sure you honestly think you don't under-rate the Crows. But nevertheless like so many other footy followers this season, you do. Same with BSA.

You both under-rate Crows by about five goals.

I think I had it more or less spot on with "Crows by a few goals I would think. Probably should be more than just a few, but Crows haven't been on best form just lately either."

You mean you count your FIRST QUARTER effort as the game?

We matched you or beat you after quarter time.

I do this the Crows are a good side, but I do not believe they are premiership material.

Maybe it is you that OVER-RATE the Crows.

 

[Zombie]

No TheMase The Crows let the foot off the pedal, you have to realise the difference.

If the Cows lose by 18 points after the opposition canes them in the first quarter it is a poor start and so close to come from behind win. If the Cows win by 18 points after leading by lots at quarter time and losing each quarter but the first then it is taking the foot off the pedal and a lapse in concentration.

The opposition team has nothing to do with it

 

[Leigh Roy]

Originally posted by Zombie
No TheMase The Crows let the foot off the pedal, you have to realise the difference.

I think you mean Cows.

ok.crows is a bit of a laugh at times but some of you Port mob are too!

But please don't stop.

 

[sapaul]

Originally posted by TheMase

I do this the Crows are a good side, but I do not believe they are premiership material.

They all said the same in 97 and 98.

 

[ok.crows]

Originally posted by TheMase


You mean you count your FIRST QUARTER effort as the game?

We matched you or beat you after quarter time.

I do this the Crows are a good side, but I do not believe they are premiership material.

Maybe it is you that OVER-RATE the Crows.

No Mase, what I think is that that first quarter effort equates to Crows rating. That is their ability. They couldn't do quaters like that if they weren't able to, you catch the drfit?

But, as you note, that was just one quarter. This is the problem with Crows, they haven't been producing their stuff for four quarters.

As I said, "Crows haven't been on best form just lately either". This is what I meant.

The last two games Crows have won in away matches with less than a four quarter effort.

When eventually we do get a four quarter effort, that will be Crows best form. Hopefully Crows are saving it for finals, hey?

 

[ok.crows]

Originally posted by Zombie
No TheMase The Crows let the foot off the pedal, you have to realise the difference.

If the Cows lose by 18 points after the opposition canes them in the first quarter it is a poor start and so close to come from behind win. If the Cows win by 18 points after leading by lots at quarter time and losing each quarter but the first then it is taking the foot off the pedal and a lapse in concentration.

The opposition team has nothing to do with it

Zombie, you are an idiot.

See reply to Mase.