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After watching Shaun back to his best last night (raw pace), i believe that he is ready to resume his place in the Australian One Day team. Our current attack whilst doing well against teams like Pakistan, England and others, i don't think has enough firepower to strike through sides like South Africa and India. Now, an in form Shaun Tait is a matchwinner and that means now. I say get him in whilst he is confident in his bowling and his fitness. Who knows, by the time we come in against teams like India and South Africa, we'll be simply too good for them because at the moment, those three teams are pretty even at the moment. My pick for getting dropped would be Clint McKay. Nothing against him just i feel that he wouldn't cope against the spoken sides.
 
Mckay coped more than well enough against India in India.

As much as I love Tait, there's no need to change the chemistry of a successful ODI side and leave out one of the bowlers who has been consistent and reliable in the games that he has played. Tait could probably become a part of the rotation which has worked so well for our bowlers (barring Siddle who imo, was not managed well)
 
I'm a big Tait fan and I'd rather he just stuck to the T20's. The ODI matches don't matter as much in my opinion, they have been oversaturated and have lost much of their meaning, so I'm happy if we stick to our average attack in ODI's with the likes of Harris, Bollinger and McKay.

That will leave our best attacks for the Tests (Johnson, Hilfenhaus etc) and the T20's (Tait, Nannes, Johnson, Bracken).
 

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Blue Dimension said:
Mckay coped more than well enough against India in India.

As much as I love Tait, there's no need to change the chemistry of a successful ODI side and leave out one of the bowlers who has been consistent and reliable in the games that he has played. Tait could probably become a part of the rotation which has worked so well for our bowlers (barring Siddle who imo, was not managed well)
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Yeah I guess, i just have reservations on him thats all. I guess we are already no.1 in the world but maybe not having Tait and other seriously quick bowlers around the world today has been the reason for the lack of interest in ODI's?
 
From memory he bowled really well at the last World Cup? If he can get fit enough he'd be a pretty handy inclusion to the 50 over side.
 
1990crow said:
Yeah I guess, i just have reservations on him thats all. I guess we are already no.1 in the world but maybe not having Tait and other seriously quick bowlers around the world today has been the reason for the lack of interest in ODI's?
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Don't get me wrong, in my best 50 over side with everyone fit and firing and in form - I have Tait in it. I love watching him bowl ahead of guys like Mckay, Harris, et al.

His form however in the Ford Ranger cup has been questionable despite some impressive showings in the Big Bash and for Australia last night. Fit fitness is also questionable.

I'm sure he'll get opportunity with the rotation policy. Just find it hard to see him getting a place in the side that hasn't put a foot wrong in recent times.
 
Blue Dimension said:
Don't get me wrong, in my best 50 over side with everyone fit and firing and in form - I have Tait in it. I love watching him bowl ahead of guys like Mckay, Harris, et al.

His form however in the Ford Ranger cup has been questionable despite some impressive showings in the Big Bash and for Australia last night. Fit fitness is also questionable.

I'm sure he'll get opportunity with the rotation policy. Just find it hard to see him getting a place in the side that hasn't put a foot wrong in recent times.
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With Tait not being in the squads for the first two ODI's I think the bowlers in each game are going to have to outperform each other because the players who don't perform might be the ones to be 'rested' for the Wild Thing. The selectors love Tait. Even when he was struggling a couple of years back in the local comp the selectors still picked him (can't remember who it was against). From there he went on the dominate in the 2007 WC. I wouldn't be surprised to see him playing come this time next friday.
 
At the moment, Taity can only bowl short spells, maximum 3 overs at a high level. It means you have to piss fart around with your bowling line up too much and I don't think that is something that Ponting wants at the moment. Would love to see him back there though.
 
I just feel like he's the kind of player who's made for T20s. In an ODI he'd have to bowl more than 2 over spells, and keep it tight. The guy is at his best when he's just unleashed on the opposition in short bursts, and all he has to do it bowl lethally fast for a few balls.

At the end of the day, I don't think that's a bad thing. There's nothing wrong with being a T20 specialist.
 
He needs to dramatically improve his aerobic fitness.

He looked gassed after 2 overs last night.

Unless he can consistently hit 155+ he hasn't got a huge lot to offer - but if he can stay at the 155 level for a 5-over spell, he would be a terrific asset.

so: -

T20 - yes
ODI - when fit
Test - no
 

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Wallaby said:
He needs to dramatically improve his aerobic fitness.

He looked gassed after 2 overs last night.

Unless he can consistently hit 155+ he hasn't got a huge lot to offer - but if he can stay at the 155 level for a 5-over spell, he would be a terrific asset.

so: -

T20 - yes
ODI - when fit
Test - no
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Agree 100% with this. I just feel that Tait is the type of bowler who gets most of his fitness by playing matches. He had a long layoff and I have noticed considerable improvement in how he pulls up after each spell. I think he is almost ready to start firing on all cylinders. I'd give it a month before he is able to consistantly bowl 155+ for three to four over spells.
When he first came back my first thought it that he look overweight, unfit and almost uninterested. Last night Tait looked mean and hungry to hurt batsmen. I think Australia could do with him and maybe world cricket for that matter to improve the anticipation for OD matches. After the match they showed Tait hugging this guy in the crowd. Anyone know what that was about. When I saw it it looked like he knew him and that he was happy with where his cricket had developed to and that he was loving playing cricket again.
 
Kim Hagdorn said:
From memory he bowled really well at the last World Cup? If he can get fit enough he'd be a pretty handy inclusion to the 50 over side.
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he bowled extremely well in the WC - however for some reason his fitness is in free-fall.

Thos 4 overs took it out him last night.

Twenty 20 suits him. 2 firebrand overs up front - then 2 spells of 1 over.

Hell - even - 4x1 overs spells would work

The thing with Shaun - he is as good as he gets first up in a spell - he doesn't need an over to warm up - and the second over drops off in pace - and third would go lower again.

He is almost 2nd rate when he is down around 140+ -
 
well when he gets more than 3/4 of year without injury he might well be able to get any fitness base let alone a proper aerobic for ODI's.

1990crow said:
Agree 100% with this. I just feel that Tait is the type of bowler who gets most of his fitness by playing matches. He had a long layoff and I have noticed considerable improvement in how he pulls up after each spell. I think he is almost ready to start firing on all cylinders. I'd give it a month before he is able to consistantly bowl 155+ for three to four over spells.
When he first came back my first thought it that he look overweight, unfit and almost uninterested. Last night Tait looked mean and hungry to hurt batsmen. I think Australia could do with him and maybe world cricket for that matter to improve the anticipation for OD matches. After the match they showed Tait hugging this guy in the crowd. Anyone know what that was about. When I saw it it looked like he knew him and that he was happy with where his cricket had developed to and that he was loving playing cricket again.
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well spotted and Ive noticed that as well - and we also saw for the first time in a long while Taity jovial out there as well and in a great headspace, wanting to be out there again

not sure about this summer but by the time next one comes around its going to be very hard to leave him out of the 50 over side
 
Wallaby said:
He needs to dramatically improve his aerobic fitness.

He looked gassed after 2 overs last night.

Unless he can consistently hit 155+ he hasn't got a huge lot to offer - but if he can stay at the 155 level for a 5-over spell, he would be a terrific asset.

so: -

T20 - yes
ODI - when fit
Test - no
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Agree with that. He is a talent and I would love him in all three forms of the game but he doesn't have the fitness at the moment.

Still, it was nice to see him last nice hitting that target..........something Lee longs to do.
 
Bombers_Forever said:
Agree with that. He is a talent and I would love him in all three forms of the game but he doesn't have the fitness at the moment.

Still, it was nice to see him last nice hitting that target..........something Lee longs to do.
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I love to bash on Lee but he's been a better bowler than Tait will ever be.
 

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Bombers_Forever said:
Agree with that. He is a talent and I would love him in all three forms of the game but he doesn't have the fitness at the moment.

Still, it was nice to see him last nice hitting that target..........something Lee longs to do.
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his body cant cope with the longer forms full stop and thats a reality he has accpeted....there is no point flogging him into retirement

I am an advocate of having specialist ODI & Test Bowlers because we need them to last
 
Bombers_Forever said:
Agree with that. He is a talent and I would love him in all three forms of the game but he doesn't have the fitness at the moment.

Still, it was nice to see him last nice hitting that target..........something Lee longs to do.
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last nice? Looks like you were having trouble hitting the target yourself, and you were even trying to type at 160kph.

Seriously, it never ceases to amaze me the people on this forum who think it's easy bowling at express pace.
 
Adelaide Hawk said:
Seriously, it never ceases to amaze me the people on this forum who think it's easy bowling at express pace.
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Where did you pull that from? I don't see anyone saying that it's easy to bowl that fast. It's obviously bloody difficult since so few people can do it.

The issue is how effective it is. Unfortunately, when Tait's pace drops below top speed he rapidly becomes tonkable.
 
Apart from Johnson (and Watson) you could say we have three different attacks for the formats.

Tests - Johnson, Hilfenhaus, Bollinger/Siddle

ODIs - Johnson, Lee, Bracken

T20 - Johnson, Nannes, Tait

Odds on them all being fit at once are about 1000-1 though.
 
The Falcon Strike said:
The thing with Shaun - he is as good as he gets first up in a spell - he doesn't need an over to warm up - and the second over drops off in pace - and third would go lower again.
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Except last night I don't think he went below 152km/h. Maybe once or twice, but he was at or above that pace 95% of the time. I thought it was a great effort to stay at those paces.

But as has been said enough times in this thread, he just needs to get his fitness up and then he's a certainty for the One Day side. His form in the 07 World Cup was immense.
 

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