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[THE_GUN]

How wrong can one be ive never heard so much hoopla in all my life.

we have lists including rookies ranging from 44 to 48.weather you have looked lately but most sides have and have nearly always had two ruckmen.if you have 4 ruckmen on your list you will have cover for each position, now to me if you have a minimum of 44 players on your list that would equate to two players for every position on the park including the interchange.
if you want cover for every tall position on the park a minimum amount of talls would be 16 that leaves a minimum of 28 players to fill 14 positions two for every role.

oh just an add on the premiers collingwood. they have 5 ruckmen on their list and it does not include brown a forward who pinch hits. perhaps they know something that we dont. in fact they have a bloke called witts i just read on this thread in the nsw scheme tied to them as well and hes supposed to be very promising sheesh that would be 6.

Ahhh Santa here you go talking about talls & smalls again and how many talls we need on our list ............... totall rubbish

We are talking about ruckman only & Not talls that can play multiple positions on the ground.

You bring collingwood into the mix & to be honest you are actually doing your argument more harm by useing them as an example.

They are the premiers with a far superior list than most & have the added benefit of having a young list, if any team has the luxury to carry an extra 2 rucks its their list. add to that the fact that they have their own VFL team and get to play their rucks in the true possitions be it senior VFL or Reserves VFL

You will find that if the sub rule remains in its current format , no team will have more than 3 rucks at best with 2 and a pinch hitter as the norm.

Stick to the topic of Rucks & dont mix the talls that play foward or defence. You mention that every position has 2 players per position yet you believe that the 1 possition requires 5

 

[TOOs_Finest]

Not sure if he is out of contract or not, but Tom Bellchambers would be one to look into for Richmond. The offer of starting next year as the number one ruck and a bit of a pay rise might be too much for him to say no to, like Shane Mumford's move to Sydney. Stefan Martin and Jordan Roughead would also be players to contact.

I think Shaun Hampson would be a bad move. While he did start to play some good games before his injury, the games were against Melbourne (minus Jamar), Port Adelaide and Brisbane. For Carlton, Hampson is obviously worth persisting with, but for a trade, he is still more loaded with potential than results.

Bellchambers re-signed about 2-3 weeks ago, for another two years I think. Hard to tell just how much of an upgrade he would be on Graham, considering Graham just gave him a bath at VFL level this week just gone (from all reports). He may not be so promising without the likes of Ryder and Hille around him.

 

[Madtiger2006]

Collingwood have several 204cm ruckman. Ceglar, Keefe, Wood and McNamara. Very good height and an overload of ruckman. Definately should be keeping an eye on them because they have great height. The Pies won't be asking as much as other clubs because they can't play them all

 

[santa claws]

sheesh i must be on another planet or something.i thought the gist of my post was about ruckmen but obviously you had trouble grasping this. perhaps i should have made it more simple for you.
oh by the way last time i looked most teams go in with two genuine ruckmen bloody hell some even have 3. the last time i looked 2 ruckmen into the 22 was pretty much the norm and has been for god knows how long.and this despite the sub rule.
you want proof look no further than richmond all yr we have played vickery and one of brown or graham. last time i looked they were classified as ruckmen. you want cover for vickery have a ruckman forward on the list. you want cover for brown have another big bodied ruckman on the list how the hell this adversely affects the list has me scratching my head you fail to elaborate.

you want cover for the two ruckmen you have to have two others on the list.
even if i conceded teams only need one on game day. you need a first ruck for game day a decent replacement in case he gets injured and you want at least 2 in development especially if they are rookies.
this hardly caters to development or failed picks.bloody hell if you only take em in the rookie draft or late you better have more than 4 on your list if your hoping to find just one decent one.

i havent even broached the stupid comment of 4 ruckmen actually affecting the list.now that is stupidity of the highest order.
you did say having 4 ruckmen on your list affects it adversely but you fail to say how.
i know you dont want to go there but how many talls mediums smalls mids kpps etc do you need.

and no i havent won your argument for you. collingwood have 6 ruckmen despite having one of the best ruckmen in the comp on their books`if anything they have no need to load up yet they do because they realise just how hard it is and just how many you may have to go thru just to find one decent one.
mids smalls flankers dime a dozen kpps and ruckmen good ones as rare as hens teeth and they take longer to develop but hey lets just put our heads up our arses and follow some trendy thing we have heard and think we only need 3 ruckmen. i suppose we only need one ff and one chf as well god help us if we get it wrong.
can i suggest you pull your head out of your arse and get in the real world.

i tell you what how about you tell us all exactly what list balance we need. id like to know why you think we only need three ruckmen and why having more than 3 will hurt our list structure.this should be enlightening.

 

[Tiger1974]

No chance of getting Gawn. Watched him get BoG for Casey on Sunday in pouring rain and horrible wind. Dominated in the ruck and got 17 touches. I'd love to see him in the seniors but can't fit him in. He's not just super tall but is very good and aiming his taps. Just need to get some more bulk now and fitness. He's a smooth mover for 208cm. You barely actually notice he's that tall until you see him tower over most ruckman. That's a fair compliment. Dean Cox has the same feel.

Not sure what all the fuss is on this post about Max Gawn. I must of missed something. Watched him stand at full forward in the seniors a couple of times and looked a little lost and slow. No criticism of him given his age and size. Actually, I see similarities between him and Browne. Wow Gawn BOG for Casey. Browne named in the best for Coburg almost every week this year and Gus Graham had 40 hit outs this week for Coburg - woohaa big deal.

 

[melbournemartin]

Not sure what all the fuss is on this post about Max Gawn. I must of missed something. Watched him stand at full forward in the seniors a couple of times and looked a little lost and slow. No criticism of him given his age and size. Actually, I see similarities between him and Browne. Wow Gawn BOG for Casey. Browne named in the best for Coburg almost every week this year and Gus Graham had 40 hit outs this week for Coburg - woohaa big deal.

I agree that VFL performances have to be taken with a grain of salt but I watched him live and his tap work was superb, even in shocking conditions.

No one ever said he was fast and for him to be lost in his first few games in the AFL is hardly surprising. He is a nice kick on the run though which is rare for someone his size. Set shots need work though.

 

[Demon 86]

Hampson...

That would mean Pia Miller and Megan Gale at the club

Could be good for membership!

 

[Damo80]

Hampson...

That would mean Pia Miller and Megan Gale at the club

Could be good for membership!

And maybe Orlando Bloom as an international rookie and we're set!

 

[THE_GUN]

sheesh i must be on another planet or something.i thought the gist of my post was about ruckmen but obviously you had trouble grasping this. perhaps i should have made it more simple for you.
oh by the way last time i looked most teams go in with two genuine ruckmen bloody hell some even have 3. the last time i looked 2 ruckmen into the 22 was pretty much the norm and has been for god knows how long.and this despite the sub rule.
you want proof look no further than richmond all yr we have played vickery and one of brown or graham. last time i looked they were classified as ruckmen. you want cover for vickery have a ruckman forward on the list. you want cover for brown have another big bodied ruckman on the list how the hell this adversely affects the list has me scratching my head you fail to elaborate.

you want cover for the two ruckmen you have to have two others on the list.
even if i conceded teams only need one on game day. you need a first ruck for game day a decent replacement in case he gets injured and you want at least 2 in development especially if they are rookies.
this hardly caters to development or failed picks.bloody hell if you only take em in the rookie draft or late you better have more than 4 on your list if your hoping to find just one decent one.

i havent even broached the stupid comment of 4 ruckmen actually affecting the list.now that is stupidity of the highest order.
you did say having 4 ruckmen on your list affects it adversely but you fail to say how.
i know you dont want to go there but how many talls mediums smalls mids kpps etc do you need.

and no i havent won your argument for you. collingwood have 6 ruckmen despite having one of the best ruckmen in the comp on their books`if anything they have no need to load up yet they do because they realise just how hard it is and just how many you may have to go thru just to find one decent one.
mids smalls flankers dime a dozen kpps and ruckmen good ones as rare as hens teeth and they take longer to develop but hey lets just put our heads up our arses and follow some trendy thing we have heard and think we only need 3 ruckmen. i suppose we only need one ff and one chf as well god help us if we get it wrong.
can i suggest you pull your head out of your arse and get in the real world.

i tell you what how about you tell us all exactly what list balance we need. id like to know why you think we only need three ruckmen and why having more than 3 will hurt our list structure.this should be enlightening.

Claw there is just so many things wrong wit what your saying & to be perfectly honest I got sick and tired of debating them with you on PRE and so did everybody els !

Really cant be bothered doing all that crap again here , You are just one of these people with blinkers on that cant see anything els.

You talk about richmond going in with 2 ruckman NO THEY HAVE NOT
Vickery has been played as a foward all year with minimum time in the ruck ............ Exactly what i have said

I believe perhaps you are an ex ruckman that still believes that the entire game revolves around these players that take 6 years to develop and get smashed and retire at 31 giving us 5 years of service at the top level.

We will see in time how many rucks remain on lists & i would be extremely suprised if there are more than 3 with 1 being a developing young ruck.

 

[santa claws]

Claw there is just so many things wrong wit what your saying & to be perfectly honest I got sick and tired of debating them with you on PRE and so did everybody els !

Really cant be bothered doing all that crap again here , You are just one of these people with blinkers on that cant see anything els.

You talk about richmond going in with 2 ruckman NO THEY HAVE NOT
Vickery has been played as a foward all year with minimum time in the ruck ............ Exactly what i have said

I believe perhaps you are an ex ruckman that still believes that the entire game revolves around these players that take 6 years to develop and get smashed and retire at 31 giving us 5 years of service at the top level.

We will see in time how many rucks remain on lists & i would be extremely suprised if there are more than 3 with 1 being a developing young ruck.

you are perfectly entitled to your opinion but you refuse to add substance to any argument you put up. whilst i think you entitled to your opinion i also think you wrong.

and ya know i rather than the sub rule see the end of two ruckmen i subscribe to the theory that all clubs will be looking to play two but two very agile strong quick types. the sub rule will raise the ruck bar if you like.

and yep i played in the ruck at times i also played chf.but i dont base my comments on my own unworthy footy experience i base them on what actually is the norm at most clubs and try to learn from it.
if you were at pre you would know im not one of the sheep i make up my own mind put it out there and let time decide the winner. time has not proven me wrong too often.

 

[THE_GUN]

you are perfectly entitled to your opinion but you refuse to add substance to any argument you put up. whilst i think you entitled to your opinion i also think you wrong.

and ya know i rather than the sub rule see the end of two ruckmen i subscribe to the theory that all clubs will be looking to play two but two very agile strong quick types. the sub rule will raise the ruck bar if you like.

and yep i played in the ruck at times i also played chf.but i dont base my comments on my own unworthy footy experience i base them on what actually is the norm at most clubs and try to learn from it.
if you were at pre you would know im not one of the sheep i make up my own mind put it out there and let time decide the winner. time has not proven me wrong too often.

You are & always have been a glass half empty type and with richmonds past 30 year history .......... it really cant be hard to get it wrong.

You are constantly negative about players and when proven wrong (vickery soft) you dont accept and apologise like others you wait until they make a mistake and try to point out that you were correct.

Going back to the argument at hand and the substance you might be reffering to.

I am of the belief that there will no longer be 2 ruckman playing at 1 time unless 1 is a special talent thats an athlete that has the ability to play and play well another position e.g Vickery,kreuzer,Natanui,Ryder,Brown,Petrie,Hale types

You will no longer get teams that will carry on their list 3 ruckman that are dinasours
Graham,Browne,McIntosh.

To cut a long story short claw and dont really care if you agree or not my ideal rucking line up for the richmond football club would be

Mitch Clarke Ruck- Tyrone Vickery-Foward Jackson Trengove-Defence.

With 2 developing Rucks that are also good either foward or defenders at coburg. which would make that
3 Ruckman +vickery(who i see as a fwd) + Trengove (i see as a defender)

 

[Infamy]

A first round pick and Astbury/Post as suggested wouldn't do the deal. You'd be happy, we wouldn't.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
You are dreaming pal, the kid who we gave Richo's number to PLUS a first round pick for a 2nd year ruckman who's played 3 games?

Thanks for the good laugh before I go to bed, probably won't be able to sleep now as I'll keep giggling at your post

 

[thecotch9]

Santa flaws you try too hard to have a different opinion then others..I don't even think you agree with some of your ideas.

SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEESH

 

[Equus]

There is talk on the Hawthorn board of Renouf coming over or something.

 

[stickman11]

From what I have heard, Gawn wants to wear the No11 for the Dees.

Jamar is good but is aging. Doubt we would give up Gawn who will be our no 1 ruckman.

 

[richolovesgoal]

ayce cordy?

 

[Hipster Doofus]

That Freo guy, Grifffin, is he a possibility to be our no 1 ruck?

 

[Toadvine]

Bulldogs arn't going to give up a first round draft pick and F/S selection. Better to go for Jordan Roughead.

Griffen was traded back to Perth to be with his ill father apparently, So I can't see him moving to Vic after only being there for one year.

 

[Richo is God]

There is talk on the Hawthorn board of Renouf coming over or something.

Dear god no!!!! Absolute spud

 

[melbournemartin]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
You are dreaming pal, the kid who we gave Richo's number to PLUS a first round pick for a 2nd year ruckman who's played 3 games?

Thanks for the good laugh before I go to bed, probably won't be able to sleep now as I'll keep giggling at your post

Struggling to think of a more irrelevant bit of information.

 

[richolovesgoal]

In my opinion we need a big cleanout, revolving around trade week.

I think we should trade players like Edwards, Nason, Post, Farmer, Morton, etc etc, for draft picks (hopefully we load up on draft picks)

I think Tuck and Nahas are GWS bound so get some more picks from them.

Then put our traded picks on the table, and go nuts.

Make player + picks offers for O'meara, Clark/Bellchambers/etc, and a key defender (i heard alipate carlile was GWS bound, but i wouldnt mind him as a roughie)

Make cap room by delisting spuds, which there are a lot.

And bang, we get rid of some dead weight, gain some guns, and keep some picks.

Thats the plan anyway

 

[McGun]

In my opinion we need a big cleanout, revolving around trade week.

I think we should trade players like Edwards, Nason, Post, Farmer, Morton, etc etc, for draft picks (hopefully we load up on draft picks)

I think Tuck and Nahas are GWS bound so get some more picks from them.

Then put our traded picks on the table, and go nuts.

Make player + picks offers for O'meara, Clark/Bellchambers/etc, and a key defender (i heard alipate carlile was GWS bound, but i wouldnt mind him as a roughie)

Make cap room by delisting spuds, which there are a lot.
And bang, we get rid of some dead weight, gain some guns, and keep some picks.

Thats the plan anyway

None of those players are worth a top 30 pick and from reports this is a very poor draft after pick 30. So not a good idea.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

I heard a bit of whisper that the Tigers and Melbourne might be keen on McKernan from Adelaide.

 

[Tulip]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
You are dreaming pal, the kid who we gave Richo's number to PLUS a first round pick for a 2nd year ruckman who's played 3 games?

Thanks for the good laugh before I go to bed, probably won't be able to sleep now as I'll keep giggling at your post

Can't imagine what Stanton is worth! Got Misiti and Hird's number!

 

[Richmond Mad]

Jordan Roughead
Height - 200cm
Weight - 96kg
D.O.B - 3-11-90

The hot ruck prospect broke through for eight AFL games in 2010 as a support act for Ben Hudson. Played six games between rounds 15 and 22, ahead of Will Minson, as the Dogs tried to settle on their favoured ruck combination. Also capable of being a strong contributor in attack. A shoulder problem ended his year after the home and away season. Won the best first-year player award.

Get it done tiges this bloke will be a gem!!!!