Prediction Tall timber down back a massive worry.

[Shaneprice97]

Talia might be free to a good home!

Just heard on Trade radio that Port are open to moving on Jackson Trengove.

Im all for Michael Talia and Jackson Trengove joining the club.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Im all for Michael Talia and Jackson Trengove joining the club.

Yep, one if not both. Both quality players, one has disgraced himself and his club and the other is at a club desperate to relieve salary cap burdens. Not insurmountable problems to bring to a new club if a suitable deal can be struck.

Next few days will be interesting. Player movement is a new concept to some people...holes can be plugged at a moments notice.

If we land one or two of this ilk we are probably ahead. A M Brown or a McKenzie and we are at breakeven and we can relaunch in 2018 where more talls are likely to be on the market. If we pick up nobody then thats cause for concern because it means White/Goldsack/Scharenburg/Howe are the backups to Keeffe and Reid. Plus we dont know if we might be able to hold on to Marsh. If he wants to plaY AFL football we may be his only choice as the Eagles and Dockers dont really have a need.

Calling that the sky is falling halfway through trade week is foolish. Best to wait until this transition period is over before making wild predictions. Even after that there is the draft for some more medium term propositions

 

[Travis bloke]

Im all for Michael Talia and Jackson Trengove joining the club.

This could be a good move...Prefer Trengrove he can play kp back and ruck solid unit

 

[noideaatall]

If we are going to go into a season light on in one area due to players wanting to leave, I'd prefer it to be the area we were hopeless in anyway.
Didn't the Bulldogs get Hamling as a delisted free agent? What about Fletcher Roberts in the PSD, or a 23 year old in Marcus Adams. Those guys may want to leave as well but they'll just reset it again the same way and that's what we should do too.
We don't need to trade in a star defender or get a top 5 pick, we just need to be astute with our drafting and we will be fine. We can put together something that will not be any worse than what we had and could potentially be a lot better.

I admire your positive viewpoint and hope you are right.

The issues I see are that it will take time to reset, a good defence doesn't jump up over night. I disagree that you don't need stars. A working class defence - full of stoppers - might have worked with around the boundary type game plan but not in the way the game is played now. We got around this to some extent by playing Howe down back and robbing the midfield with someone like Adams. Overall we are weaker in depth and experience now. The trade period will fill some holes but I expect it will take a few years to get a really solid, talented defence up and running and those years are the ones we should be reaping the benefits of the midfield peaking. Ideally we would have retained at least one of the three KPD leaving and been able to reset over the next three drafts.

 

[76woodenspooners]

Thoughts on potentially moving Moore to the backline?

In the last exciting episode when we saw Keeffe play, he was so bad in the backline that he was being trained with the forwards. Sure, we're losing Cloke, but we'll still have Cox, White (and maybe Keeffe) in the forward line.

Down back it looks like we'll have nobody.

Moore played as a KPD in TAC Cup.

He did OK in the forward line this year, but not great - kicking 24 goals in 17 games.

Maybe this is in the club's plans?

 

[barrackers]

Neither Brown or Frost were the future, but with Marsh also likely to leave we've lost what little depth we had. We'd just be ok depth wise losing 2 of Brown/Frost/Marsh, but all 3 leaves us short in more ways than one. While bringing in an experienced player with longer term potential would be nice, right now I'd settle for somebody who could just play a role for a couple of years provided we draft a KPD or two.

 

[Tbone McGraw]

Thoughts on potentially moving Moore to the backline?

In the last exciting episode we saw Keeffe play he was so bad in the backline that he was being trained with the forwards. Sure, we're losing Cloke, but we'll still have Cox, White (and maybe Keeffe) in the forward line.

Down back it looks like we'll have nobody.

Moore played as a KPD in TAC Cup.

He did OK in the forward line this year, but not great - kicking 24 goals in 17 games.

Maybe this is in the club's plans?

While i dont mind your idea, Moore going down back should be a temporary move imho.

 

[noideaatall]

Thoughts on potentially moving Moore to the backline?
In the last exciting episode we saw Keeffe play he was so bad in the backline that he was being trained with the forwards. Sure, we're losing Cloke, but we'll still have Cox, White (and maybe Keeffe) in the forward line.
Down back it looks like we'll have nobody.
Moore played as a KPD in TAC Cup.
He did OK in the forward line this year, but not great - kicking 24 goals in 17 games.
Maybe this is in the club's plans?

Its an interesting thought. I don't think it was in the club's plans, don't think they expected a mass KPD exodus. I think Moore is good enough to play both ends of the ground and I hope they develop him by doing this but to much talent to play solely back. He has the ability to take unexpected marks that can really count in a forward line, whereas in a backline intercept marking is more the key.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Thoughts on potentially moving Moore to the backline?

In the last exciting episode we saw Keeffe play he was so bad in the backline that he was being trained with the forwards. Sure, we're losing Cloke, but we'll still have Cox, White (and maybe Keeffe) in the forward line.

Down back it looks like we'll have nobody.

Moore played as a KPD in TAC Cup.

He did OK in the forward line this year, but not great - kicking 24 goals in 17 games.

Maybe this is in the club's plans?

Maybe at times. Sending him back doesn't mean he'll stay there forever. But as you said Cloke is gone and we need Moore at the pointy end.

Would rather send white back .

 

[Fruit]

While what's happened is not ideal, the Bulldogs have just won a flag with some second string backmen. They loaded up in the midfield which obviously paid dividends big time.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

The issues I see are that it will take time to reset, a good defence doesn't jump up over night..

Hamling says hi!!

 

[noideaatall]

Hamling says hi!!

Yeah, ok, but one player doesn't make a good defense.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Yeah, ok, but one player doesn't make a good defense.

We are only one player down at the moment... Frost and Brown cant be in the same 22 so are pretty much the same person ....Marsh looks like hes out but Keeffe is back.

Howe and Maynard almost fixtures now.

Add back Sharenburg Sinclair Langdon and Ramsay from last years medical room and the flanks are well covered along with the likes of Smith Adams Thomas Phillips etc

 

[pugsville]

Yeah, ok, but one player doesn't make a good defense.

Marcus Adams?

 

[noideaatall]

We are only one player down at the moment... Frost and Brown cant be in the same 22 so are pretty much the same person ....Marsh looks like hes out but Keeffe is back.
Howe and Maynard almost fixtures now.
Add back Sharenburg Sinclair Langdon and Ramsay from last years medical room and the flanks are well covered along with the likes of Smith Adams Thomas Phillips etc

Frost, Brown & Marsh = a heap of experience, in particular of our team and game plan
Frost & Brown = interchangeable as reasonable KPD and good depth
Brown = our answer to gorillas
Marsh = our future mobile KPD
Overall we have lost more than one player.

Keefe wasn't that great, barely (if) an upgrade on Frost based on his last year, not on what his potential was thought to be when he started. I put him (at best) in the same group as Sinclair, Langdon, Maynard and Ramsay. Depth/working class defense. Reid is our quality but injury prone. Howe is quality but we could really do with him as the link player he was touted to be recruited for. Scharanberg is an unknown speculative quantity right now.

I'm not suggesting disaster. Just that at this stage we don't look to be better off than last year and last years defence did not look good enough to win us a premiership. Its a set back in terms of developing a premiership team.

 

[Tbone McGraw]

It appears to me we are (finally) getting rid of bad users of the ball. Frost, Brown and Marsh (not really our decision) fit that term.

We prob cant win a premiership next year so lets just see how we structure our side.

 

[jmac70]

Thoughts on potentially moving Moore to the backline?

In the last exciting episode when we saw Keeffe play, he was so bad in the backline that he was being trained with the forwards. Sure, we're losing Cloke, but we'll still have Cox, White (and maybe Keeffe) in the forward line.

Down back it looks like we'll have nobody.

Moore played as a KPD in TAC Cup.

He did OK in the forward line this year, but not great - kicking 24 goals in 17 games.

Maybe this is in the club's plans?

I really doubt that would happen. Moore showed against West Coast what he is capable of as a forward. No way he plays back.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Three days of trading to go. Let's see what happens. In terms of future development Marsh is our big loss but we can recover from that setback, especially if we land a player of the ilk of Richards for example.

Frost and brown weren't going to get any better but they were good at what they do. We will miss both of them....would have been nice to only lose one but the club has made the tough call. What we lose in pure defence with keeffe we gain in skill and mobility, something the team has lacked .

 

[jackcass]

Frost, Brown & Marsh = a heap of experience, in particular of our team and game plan
Frost & Brown = interchangeable as reasonable KPD and good depth
Brown = our answer to gorillas
Marsh = our future mobile KPD
Overall we have lost more than one player.

Keefe wasn't that great, barely (if) an upgrade on Frost based on his last year, not on what his potential was thought to be when he started. I put him (at best) in the same group as Sinclair, Langdon, Maynard and Ramsay. Depth/working class defense. Reid is our quality but injury prone. Howe is quality but we could really do with him as the link player he was touted to be recruited for. Scharanberg is an unknown speculative quantity right now.

I'm not suggesting disaster. Just that at this stage we don't look to be better off than last year and last years defence did not look good enough to win us a premiership. Its a set back in terms of developing a premiership team.

People talk up the Doggies but going into 2016 they had Murphy, Boyd, JJ and Wood as the backbone of a makeshift defense. They added Suckling and Adams during the 2015 trade/draft period, had added Hamling and Biggs the year before, and had Roberts sitting on the list for a couple of years.

Hamling had 11 games to his name going into 2016, Robert 11, Adams 0, Biggs 16.

I'd say that Reid, Langdon, Howe, Ramsay, Sinclair, Scharenberg, Keeffe, Maynard, Goldsack, Smith and Adams gives us as good a backbone as the Doggies so we've got something to work with.

 

[noideaatall]

People talk up the Doggies but going into 2016 they had Murphy, Boyd, JJ and Wood as the backbone of a makeshift defense. They added Suckling and Adams during the 2015 trade/draft period, had added Hamling and Biggs the year before, and had Roberts sitting on the list for a couple of years.

Hamling had 11 games to his name going into 2016, Robert 11, Adams 0, Biggs 16.

I'd say that Reid, Langdon, Howe, Ramsay, Sinclair, Scharenberg, Keeffe, Maynard, Goldsack, Smith and Adams gives us as good a backbone as the Doggies so we've got something to work with.

Its hard to argue against the logic of what worked for the latest team to win a gf. I certainly don't know enough about the dogs to accurately analyse what got them there. The best I can come up with is an analogy: plenty of people have started with a dollar and ended up with a million. That doesn't mean a dollar is enough to make you a million. We had the players you mentioned last year - minus Keeffe but plus significant more - and didn't look at all in the ball park in defense.

We do have something to work with but I'd much rather go into 2017 with a hell of a lot more. Ideally not needing to move Adams out of the middle, flexibility to use Howe at both ends of the ground and some real depth.

 

[jackcass]

Its hard to argue against the logic of what worked for the latest team to win a gf. I certainly don't know enough about the dogs to accurately analyse what got them there. The best I can come up with is an analogy: plenty of people have started with a dollar and ended up with a million. That doesn't mean a dollar is enough to make you a million. We had the players you mentioned last year - minus Keeffe but plus significant more - and didn't look at all in the ball park in defense.

We do have something to work with but I'd much rather go into 2017 with a hell of a lot more. Ideally not needing to move Adams out of the middle, flexibility to use Howe at both ends of the ground and some real depth.

I think there were games this year where you could see our defense was adequate, despite the lack of stability, or availability of certain players. Our defense looked inadequate mainly when the team defense failed to either reduce the quantum of footy flowing into the defense or failed to impact the quality of that flow. Availability of players and stability in both the F50 and midfield equally as relevant.

 

[Kappa]

Thoughts on potentially moving Moore to the backline?

In the last exciting episode when we saw Keeffe play, he was so bad in the backline that he was being trained with the forwards. Sure, we're losing Cloke, but we'll still have Cox, White (and maybe Keeffe) in the forward line.

Down back it looks like we'll have nobody.

Moore played as a KPD in TAC Cup.

He did OK in the forward line this year, but not great - kicking 24 goals in 17 games.

Maybe this is in the club's plans?

You act like Cox White and Keeffe is a competent forward set up.

Is there a worse group of 3 tall forwards in the league you could name?

Moore must stay forward

 

[Horaceg]

While i dont mind your idea, Moore going down back should be a temporary move imho.

Now I'm wishing Peter Moore and his wife had twins. Never know we might have two Daicos's one day, that's something.

 

[Horaceg]

You act like Cox White and Keeffe is a competent forward set up.

Is there a worse group of 3 tall forwards in the league you could name?

Moore must stay forward

There may be an opportunity to swing Moore and Reid but Moore needs to keep working his craft as a forward. I think he would be a pretty handy player wherever we play him.

Cox may be the answer but not now and needs more development, last year was good for him and feel he will keep improving. Keeffe, if he makes much headway in the first half of the year I will be surprised and it would be a massive effort for him to have much impact early, even later in the year. We know what we have with White showed a little towards the end of the year but is not 1 or 2 he really is the third tall and ruck chop out.

Without Moore up forward it doesn't look all that exciting but Elliott (touch wood) gives us a little more spark.

 

[Somebody]

I reckon we should try Jesse White in defence. He's too unreliable up forward and there are others who can play there.

he evolved into a really good forward last season. I think him moore and Oxley and of course Jamie Elliot and faz can be a forward line that's very hard to stop.
edit and how could I forget Maine?