Tasmania set to apply for a provisional AFL licence (aiming to enter competition by 2025)

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JohnZ

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18 teams already strikes me as a pretty big comp.
The sooner we get to 24 teams the better. Then we can organise it into 2 divisions and play a full H+A comp with 22 weeks, just like the old VFL did with a 12 team competition. Top 4 promotion/Bottom 4 promotion. Div 1 plays Top 5 finals over 4 weeks, Div 2 play Top 4 finals over 3 weeks, to give each division a grand final on Saturday 2pm in clean air (all finals would be in clean air).

Hobart
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Auckland
Canberra
WA3
NT/NQLD

Finals System
Assumes higher ranked team wins to show clear path

Week 1
Div 1: 1st ranked gets a bye
Div 1: 2v3 (Thursday Night) (winner plays 1, loser plays 4)
Div 1: 4v5 (Friday Night) (winner plays 3, loser eliminated)
Div 2: 3v4 (Saturday Arvo) (winner plays 2, loser eliminated)
Div 2: 1v2 (Saturday Night) (winner gets bye then GF, loser plays 3)

Week 2
Div 1: 1v2 (Thursday Night) (winner gets bye then GF, loser plays 3)
Div 1: 3v4 (Friday Night) (winner plays 2, loser eliminated)
Div 2: 2v3 (Saturday Night) (winner plays GF, loser eliminated)

Week 3
Div 1: 2v3 (Friday Night) (winner plays GF, loser eliminated)
Div 2: 1v2 GF (Saturday Arvo)

Week 4
Div 1: 1v2 GF (Saturday Arvo)
 

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Anyone see the Eddie clip about Tassie? Pretty much what I said, if there is a 19th team, there will be a 20th. WA most likely.....
It was a complete load of sh*t. Eddie shooting from the hip without thinking.

$20m per annum from each of the state government and feds? Forever? Taking away from the absurdity of the amount - they don't need $40m outside normal revenue streams - you can't have a team based on an indefinite commitment from multiple levels of government. You only then need a change of government - and for a state that has a high Greens vote it's likely they'll be part of some sort of coalition government in Tassie in the future - and the funding commitment is redirected into something else and the AFL are left carrying the can.

A stadium with a roof? Insane cost. Especially given it's pretty much accepted that the team will split games between Hobart and Launceston. No-one's spending half a billion dollars for 6 AFL games a year plus a few BBL games.

$100 million licence fee for a new team? GTFOH. Who's paying that? Unless he's saying bring private ownership into the league.

Northern Crocs? Jeez, there's more holes in that than Swiss cheese.
 

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The sooner we get to 24 teams the better. Then we can organise it into 2 divisions and play a full H+A comp with 22 weeks, just like the old VFL did with a 12 team competition. Top 4 promotion/Bottom 4 promotion. Div 1 plays Top 5 finals over 4 weeks, Div 2 play Top 4 finals over 3 weeks, to give each division a grand final on Saturday 2pm in clean air (all finals would be in clean air).

Hobart
Launceston
Auckland
Canberra
WA3
NT/NQLD

Finals System
Promotion and relegation is incompatible with broader equalisation. It is simply not going to happen
 

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It was a complete load of sh*t. Eddie shooting from the hip without thinking.

$20m per annum from each of the state government and feds? Forever? Taking away from the absurdity of the amount - they don't need $40m outside normal revenue streams - you can't have a team based on an indefinite commitment from multiple levels of government. You only then need a change of government - and for a state that has a high Greens vote it's likely they'll be part of some sort of coalition government in Tassie in the future - and the funding commitment is redirected into something else and the AFL are left carrying the can.

A stadium with a roof? Insane cost. Especially given it's pretty much accepted that the team will split games between Hobart and Launceston. No-one's spending half a billion dollars for 6 AFL games a year plus a few BBL games.

$100 million licence fee for a new team? GTFOH. Who's paying that? Unless he's saying bring private ownership into the league.

Northern Crocs? Jeez, there's more holes in that than Swiss cheese.
It was a complete load of sh*t. Eddie shooting from the hip without thinking.

$20m per annum from each of the state government and feds? Forever? Taking away from the absurdity of the amount - they don't need $40m outside normal revenue streams - you can't have a team based on an indefinite commitment from multiple levels of government. You only then need a change of government - and for a state that has a high Greens vote it's likely they'll be part of some sort of coalition government in Tassie in the future - and the funding commitment is redirected into something else and the AFL are left carrying the can.

A stadium with a roof? Insane cost. Especially given it's pretty much accepted that the team will split games between Hobart and Launceston. No-one's spending half a billion dollars for 6 AFL games a year plus a few BBL games.

$100 million licence fee for a new team? GTFOH. Who's paying that? Unless he's saying bring private ownership into the league.

Northern Crocs? Jeez, there's more holes in that than Swiss cheese.
I haven't watched it yet but it would presumably involve a long term commitment from government, presumably coming with full management rights at peppercorn rent of the new Hobart stadium and York park
 

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I haven't watched it yet but it would presumably involve a long term commitment from government, presumably coming with full management rights at peppercorn rent of the new Hobart stadium and York park
Knock yourself out.

 

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Promotion and relegation is incompatible with broader equalisation. It is simply not going to happen
It gives 2 clubs the chance to win the flag instead of 1. It allows clubs the chance to develop players in a league where they won't get smashed every week. 1/3 of the league gets promoted or relegated respectively each year which keeps movement high and doesn't let clubs get stuck down the bottom of the 2nd division (as opposed to the EPL which is 15% of teams, less than half that of 33% in this case).
 

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I think Eddie is right and the Tasmanian Govt needs to get off their backside and build a new 40,000 covered Stadium in Hobart and set up and fund a proper Financial Plan if they really want this to happen and not just use it as a vote buying exercise every time an election comes around!

The North QLD/NT idea also has merit with most matches in Townsville and a couple in Darwin and Alice Springs it would make the AFL a truly National Comp!
 
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North QLD is a shithouse idea. More AFL teams in QLD than traditional AFL states in WA and SA? Plus Townsville hates AFL. Cairns and Darwin are too small.

Canberra is the best investment for team 20, only problem is GWS are more popular there than in western sydney already i think.
 

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I think Eddie is right and the Tasmanian Govt needs to get off their backside and build a new 40,000 covered Stadium in Hobart and set up and fund a proper Financial Plan if they really want this to happen and not just use it as a vote buying exercise every time an election comes around!

The North QLD/NT idea also has merit with most matches in Townsville and a couple in Darwin and Alice Springs it would make the AFL a truly National Comp!
Why does Tasmania have to have a covered stadium there is one roofed stadium in the country our weather is not that much different to Melbourne’s and no worse than Canberra two 30k stadiums in Launceston and Hobart would be more then adequate. And there is already a financial plan in front of the afl has been for 12 months
 

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Why does Tasmania have to have a covered stadium there is one roofed stadium in the country our weather is not that much different to Melbourne’s and no worse than Canberra two 30k stadiums in Launceston and Hobart would be more then adequate. And there is already a financial plan in front of the afl has been for 12 months
Eddie was playing fast and loose with his language, and it sucks coz it's undermined a great point.

When eddie says it needs a roof, he means like MCG/Optus/KP have a roof. Everyone is protected from the wind and rain, there's no grass hill like Ballarat or AO. Not a full scale Docklands roof.
 

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Eddie was playing fast and loose with his language, and it sucks coz it's undermined a great point.

When eddie says it needs a roof, he means like MCG/Optus/KP have a roof. Everyone is protected from the wind and rain, there's no grass hill like Ballarat or AO. Not a full scale Docklands roof.

Yeah I think the fact the image was of a stadium with a roof over the seating suggests that is what was meant

Why does Tasmania have to have a covered stadium there is one roofed stadium in the country our weather is not that much different to Melbourne’s and no worse than Canberra two 30k stadiums in Launceston and Hobart would be more then adequate. And there is already a financial plan in front of the afl has been for 12 months
It's quite possible that the financial plan is inadequate....for instance does it make assumptions for which the risk would fall on the AFL?
 

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It was a complete load of sh*t. Eddie shooting from the hip without thinking.

$20m per annum from each of the state government and feds? Forever? Taking away from the absurdity of the amount - they don't need $40m outside normal revenue streams - you can't have a team based on an indefinite commitment from multiple levels of government. You only then need a change of government - and for a state that has a high Greens vote it's likely they'll be part of some sort of coalition government in Tassie in the future - and the funding commitment is redirected into something else and the AFL are left carrying the can.

A stadium with a roof? Insane cost. Especially given it's pretty much accepted that the team will split games between Hobart and Launceston. No-one's spending half a billion dollars for 6 AFL games a year plus a few BBL games.

$100 million licence fee for a new team? GTFOH. Who's paying that? Unless he's saying bring private ownership into the league.

Northern Crocs? Jeez, there's more holes in that than Swiss cheese.
Came here to see if someone had commented on the Eddie figures - thank you. What he put forward makes no sense at all.
 

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A stadium with a roof? Insane cost. Especially given it's pretty much accepted that the team will split games between Hobart and Launceston. No-one's spending half a billion dollars for 6 AFL games a year plus a few BBL games.
My favourite part. Tasmanian weather is not that different from Victorian weather (as someone who's lived in both places), and the only other thing that will use the stadium will be cricket which is played in the summer. A roofed stadium would be ridiculous overkill.
 

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It gives 2 clubs the chance to win the flag instead of 1. It allows clubs the chance to develop players in a league where they won't get smashed every week. 1/3 of the league gets promoted or relegated respectively each year which keeps movement high and doesn't let clubs get stuck down the bottom of the 2nd division (as opposed to the EPL which is 15% of teams, less than half that of 33% in this case).
Who's going to celebrate being the 13th best club in the country?
 

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It gives 2 clubs the chance to win the flag instead of 1. It allows clubs the chance to develop players in a league where they won't get smashed every week. 1/3 of the league gets promoted or relegated respectively each year which keeps movement high and doesn't let clubs get stuck down the bottom of the 2nd division (as opposed to the EPL which is 15% of teams, less than half that of 33% in this case).
As if anyone is going to give a damn about a B-class flag.
Get your own made up if you desperately need one.
 

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16 is the perfect number of teams in a no-conference, no-relegation competition

There are too many teams in Victoria and until that's fixed the system is broken
So who are the unlucky teams in Victoria that should be gone then if you were in charge of the AFL?

Surely North Melbourne & St. Kilda are the most vulnerable for interstate relocation if that were part of the AFL plans, in regards to expansion.

Tbh though, I don't think the AFL will want to relocate any VIC club interstate in the future and would instead add more teams in the competition until the competition can allow every team to just play each other once (20/22/24 teams)
 

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