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Teams which underachieved?

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I don't recall. But it doesn't have to come from goals directly. Wrong decisions can change momentum and lead to goals, not necessarily directly. I was glad the dogs won. As mentioned I backed them to win and even had money on JJ for the Norm Smith. Won my 500, should have been 750 I thought I put more on him but didn't. Still a good day for me. Still glad they got the win even now. But it wasn't won fairly imo.
It's still difficult to argue against them being the best performing team in September that season though.

Sydney laid 2 eggs. GWS choked in a home prelim and Geelong didn't bother showing up. Hawthorn straight setted. Terrible standard of competition that year but one side did consistently show up in finals.
 
It's still difficult to argue against them being the best performing team in September that season though.

Sydney laid 2 eggs. GWS choked in a home prelim and Geelong didn't bother showing up. Hawthorn straight setted. Terrible standard of competition that year but one side did consistently show up in finals.
I don't see it that way. For sure the Swans were shit vs GWS. But they smashed Adelaide and Geelong after it. Not denying Dogs were good. But I still feel the umps helped them. Hawks weren't that bad either. Unlucky to lose to you guys and just beaten by a better team on the night and yes in finals.
 
I don't see it that way. For sure the Swans were shit vs GWS. But they smashed Adelaide and Geelong after it. Not denying Dogs were good. But I still feel the umps helped them. Hawks weren't that bad either. Unlucky to lose to you guys and just beaten by a better team on the night and yes in finals.
I think 2 things can be true. Sydney had a tough day from the umpires, but still performed poorly relative to their potential for the 2nd time in a month. The prelim was their level. They crumbled as the GF went on and the umpiring excuse really does get used as a cop out.

Sydney have been poor to terrible in their past 4 grand finals - 3 times as favourites. I think they fit as underachievers over the past 12 years.
 
Free kick differential 20 to 8 in dogs favour. The biggest in a GF since the 3 ump rule was Introduced. Sometimes that is because they're simply there. However in this case I like many others feel the dogs were favoured.
 

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The Hawks of the 80’s probably can be classed as underachievers. Won in 83. Had a last quarter fade out in 84, where they were 24 points up. Got absolutely demolished in 85. Won in 86. Lost to Carlton in 87. Won in both 88 and 89. Went out in the elimination final in a close game against Melbourne in 1990. won in 91 against a strong Eagles attack. Despite winning 5 premierships in 9 years, they could have easily had 8. If they held on in 84. 1987 in the second semi-final the Hawks were in front at 3/4 time. Before Carlton kicked 5 goals to one in the final quarter to win by 15 points, with an ankle injury to Dunstall, which kept him out for the rest of the finals, a big loss. Once again, if the Hawks were able to have won that game, it would have given them a week off, allowing the players to rest before the grand final. In 1990 the Hawks had players returning from injury, and were slightly under done. If they had been able to win, then the following week they would have had a break, due to the tied game between Collingwood and West Coast, and would have had a great chance to continue Collingwood’s losing streak in grand finals.

85, no one was stopping Essendon
 
The Hawks of the 80’s probably can be classed as underachievers. Won in 83. Had a last quarter fade out in 84, where they were 24 points up. Got absolutely demolished in 85. Won in 86. Lost to Carlton in 87. Won in both 88 and 89. Went out in the elimination final in a close game against Melbourne in 1990. won in 91 against a strong Eagles attack. Despite winning 5 premierships in 9 years, they could have easily had 8. If they held on in 84. 1987 in the second semi-final the Hawks were in front at 3/4 time. Before Carlton kicked 5 goals to one in the final quarter to win by 15 points, with an ankle injury to Dunstall, which kept him out for the rest of the finals, a big loss. Once again, if the Hawks were able to have won that game, it would have given them a week off, allowing the players to rest before the grand final. In 1990 the Hawks had players returning from injury, and were slightly under done. If they had been able to win, then the following week they would have had a break, due to the tied game between Collingwood and West Coast, and would have had a great chance to continue Collingwood’s losing streak in grand finals.

85, no one was stopping Essendon
84 you guys got smashed in the last qtr. Nowhere near it in the end. 8 goal turn around.
 
Add the 24 prelim to that list when we coughed up a 24 point lead in the 3rd quarter.
Also the 25 GF when we brought out worst game for the year on GF day.
Yeah you look back about that 2025 grand final.... Just like the 2020 grand final, you want that 2nd half back
 

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The Hawks of the 80’s probably can be classed as underachievers. Won in 83. Had a last quarter fade out in 84, where they were 24 points up. Got absolutely demolished in 85. Won in 86. Lost to Carlton in 87. Won in both 88 and 89. Went out in the elimination final in a close game against Melbourne in 1990. won in 91 against a strong Eagles attack. Despite winning 5 premierships in 9 years, they could have easily had 8. If they held on in 84. 1987 in the second semi-final the Hawks were in front at 3/4 time. Before Carlton kicked 5 goals to one in the final quarter to win by 15 points, with an ankle injury to Dunstall, which kept him out for the rest of the finals, a big loss. Once again, if the Hawks were able to have won that game, it would have given them a week off, allowing the players to rest before the grand final. In 1990 the Hawks had players returning from injury, and were slightly under done. If they had been able to win, then the following week they would have had a break, due to the tied game between Collingwood and West Coast, and would have had a great chance to continue Collingwood’s losing streak in grand finals.

85, no one was stopping Essendon
Towards the end of 1990 season Hawthorn absolutely obliterated Collingwood at Waverley too so the hawks win that final against Melbourne who knows what might have happened
 
I still think the 2014 Sydney team was a good team, they just shat themselves on Grand Final day.
They didn't underachieve though they ran into a brilliant team on a mission GF day, it was an insult how much we written off leading into it which fired the boys up to make a statement.
 
Bulldogs 2025.

On paper stacked with talent and looked like royalty but couldn't even make finals
Played Hollywood footy offensively and Hollywood footy defensively. There lies the problem. They would be better served this year reigning in the attack at all costs mentality and develop more balance. Should still kick some big scores because of the talent they have on the park
 
Not to mention coaching insanity led directly to us losing the Qualifying final before that.

2013 was almost as bad as 2008. They're the two clear standout seasons to me we should have won the flag and didn't. Way worse than the last two seasons.
Let's not rewrite history, we were the best team that year, yes you had beaten us twice but that's the only reason you could say you should have won the flag. We should have won that prelim by 5 goals. 1 way traffic almost the entire last quarter and really had we made more of our chances the Varcoe kick wouldn't have mattered. He got the chance in the 1st place because Poppy had a brain fade and tried to kick a miracle goal when all he had to do was try and keep the ball down our end by grabbing the ball and forcing a ball up.
 
Let's not rewrite history, we were the best team that year, yes you had beaten us twice but that's the only reason you could say you should have won the flag. We should have won that prelim by 5 goals. 1 way traffic almost the entire last quarter and really had we made more of our chances the Varcoe kick wouldn't have mattered. He got the chance in the 1st place because Poppy had a brain fade and tried to kick a miracle goal when all he had to do was try and keep the ball down our end by grabbing the ball and forcing a ball up.

No it isn't. It's because we'd also beaten the other sides in the top 4 that season every time we'd played them (Hawthorn twice, Sydney twice, and pulverised Fremantle the only time they'd met during the season). That's a reasonable record against the other teams at the pointy end.

And yes you guys finished top, ahead of us by a whopping 1 game, with a percentage difference of 0.1%. There are never any guarantees (see 2008 for us and 2012 for you), but I was quietly confident heading into September.
 

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No it isn't. It's because we'd also beaten the other sides in the top 4 that season every time we'd played them (Hawthorn twice, Sydney twice, and pulverised Fremantle the only time they'd met during the season). That's a reasonable record against the other teams at the pointy end.

And yes you guys finished top, ahead of us by a whopping 1 game, with a percentage difference of 0.1%. There are never any guarantees (see 2008 for us and 2012 for you), but I was quietly confident heading into September.
The narrative that you guys should have won the flag is nonsense that's the point. It keeps getting brought up too as if we didn't exist that year. Reality is we were the better side because we proved it when it mattered, most of the game leading up to 3 qtr time we were winning most of the key stats you guys were killing us on the counter and goals against the flow. Deep down most of your blokes that played that night would acknowledge we were the better side. Maybe not Chappy as he hated us 😂.
 
The narrative that you guys should have won the flag is nonsense that's the point. It keeps getting brought up too as if we didn't exist that year. Reality is we were the better side because we proved it when it mattered, most of the game leading up to 3 qtr time we were winning most of the key stats you guys were killing us on the counter and goals against the flow. Deep down most of your blokes that played that night would acknowledge we were the better side. Maybe not Chappy as he hated us 😂.
Chappy and Enright weren't there to acknowledge anything.
 
No it isn't. It's because we'd also beaten the other sides in the top 4 that season every time we'd played them (Hawthorn twice, Sydney twice, and pulverised Fremantle the only time they'd met during the season). That's a reasonable record against the other teams at the pointy end.

And yes you guys finished top, ahead of us by a whopping 1 game, with a percentage difference of 0.1%. There are never any guarantees (see 2008 for us and 2012 for you), but I was quietly confident heading into September.
The narrative that you guys should have won the flag is nonsense that's the point. It keeps getting brought up too as if we didn't exist that year. Reality is we were the better side because we proved it when it mattered, most of the game leading up to 3 qtr time we were winning most of the key stats you guys were killing us on the counter and goals against the flow. Deep down most of your blokes that played that night would acknowledge we were the better side. Maybe not Chappy as he hated us 😂
Towards the end of 1990 season Hawthorn absolutely obliterated Collingwood at Waverley too so the hawks win that final against Melbourne who knows what might have happened
We beat Collingwood twice that year. It was a strange year because we had the wood on some teams in the finals and others we couldn't beat like Melbourne even though they were inferior to both Collingwood and Essendon. Last time they beat us in a big game until 2018.
 
The narrative that you guys should have won the flag is nonsense that's the point. It keeps getting brought up too as if we didn't exist that year. Reality is we were the better side because we proved it when it mattered, most of the game leading up to 3 qtr time we were winning most of the key stats you guys were killing us on the counter and goals against the flow. Deep down most of your blokes that played that night would acknowledge we were the better side. Maybe not Chappy as he hated us 😂.
The narrative is that of all the years between 2012 and 2022 there were only two where the Cats were genuine contenders and could/arguably should have won - 2008 and 2013. It's not sour grapes; it's merely addressing the claim by posters that the Cats underachieved between '11 and '22.

And "deep down" I quietly expected the Cats to prevail, as they had done every time since the 2008 GF. As Ben Stratton said after the game about Travis Varcoe's shot for goal in the dying seconds, "Varcoe would kick that nine times out of 10 and these things keep on happening to us against Geelong".




 
You fell into the trap alot of others did, they weren't just playing a decent team they were playing 1 of the best of the modern era. I knew we would win just by the amount of people completely writing us off.
I was talking about Sydney vs Geelong 2014 home and away game. You must be referring to the 2014 granny. Don't know why.
 
I think 2 things can be true. Sydney had a tough day from the umpires, but still performed poorly relative to their potential for the 2nd time in a month. The prelim was their level. They crumbled as the GF went on and the umpiring excuse really does get used as a cop out.

Sydney have been poor to terrible in their past 4 grand finals - 3 times as favourites. I think they fit as underachievers over the past 12 years.
Having their two best players injured obviously didn’t help them either. A lot of stars aligned for the Dogs that day.
 

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