The 2 best player highlight reels you'll see

[juddy_Like]

Ok nobody hated Carey more then me. The guy was a w***er of the highest order and was also a arrogant prick to boot. However he was the best footballer during his time and probaly his generation.

Ablett was a freak in that he took marks from thin air and booted goals from china-town. However Carey also took ridiculous marks and booted seemingly amazing goals as well. The difference is that Carey brought others into the game even though the whole team game plan was based around him. Anyone forgetting Pagan's Paddock?

As someone said before... its basically pointless comparing champions. But Carey still was better, period.

 

[krisholio14]

Get over it folks, geez!

You will never see a more alround skilful footballer than Gazza. When a bloke can jump over the grandstand, run like a gazelle, kick the cover off the ball with both feet and knock guys into the middle of next week without breaking stride, you know you've got an amazing footballer right there. No other player i've seen had all these bases covered the way Gazza did.

Blokes like Carey, Hird and Matthews, who along with Ablett are the best i've seen in my 30 odd years watching footy, had more things beyond the skills side of the game which puts them overall as better players than Ablett.

But no one, and I repeat no one, could do the things Gazza did on a footy field, make them look that easy, and do them as often.

 

[Digby_from_Dingley]

I still don't understand this belief that the amount of premierships determines the quality of the player. Don't the 20odd other blokes in the side matter?

Yes and no. In the most part you are right but there are certain skills that a greatly skilled player might have that contribute to winning premierships. Gary Snr was deficient in many of them, including:
- The ability to bring a team together.
- THe ability to set an example at training.
- The ability to turn up to training.
- The ability to remember team-mates names.
- THe ability to perform team acts including chasing opponents, shepharding etc.

Footy is a team game and whilst Gary Snr's individual skills were perhaps the highest ever seen in the game, his team skills were remarkably low, dragging down his value when asssessed by knowledgable football people.

 

[harmesy 37]

Nothing irks Carlton knobs like a dose of reality.

Have you got a point or did u just want to say something as dumb as the other knob ?

Sydney fans know all about little Greggy...his strengths and his weaknesses are something we saw a lot of

We're quite familiar with the ego issues, the sniping and the constant childish issues he had with umpires.

YOU may think he deserved a few votes for that game...but like the thousands of other times it has happened he didnt get any...none...nada zilcho. If you dont know why i suggest you read up on who hands out the votes and why he may not have got any.

Fact is Williams was lucky to win the only Brownlow he did at Carlton. He should have had ONE only.

When he sniped at Harvey in 94 it was a massive shock that he got off at the tribunal and lotsa complaints in the media. VERY lucky to have the two medals he's got.

Bollox, sounds like your judgement is clouded by your dislike for Williams.

He won a Brownlow whilst at Sydney as well.

The thing with Williams is that HE KNEW he was good and he openly stated it, so that gets up people's goat....such as yourself.

The man was a brilliant footballer. re: 1993 - the people that ended up getting the votes in that match where Williams got 89 possessions or whatever it was... did next to nothing in that match, which makes it bizarre.

The umpire interviewed many years later said he didn't want to give votes to Williams as he talked too much. That is his decision - he has to live with his conscience.

As bad as 93 was - having Kouta miss votes in 2000 for that purple patch he was in whilst woewodin picked up votes for 10 possession games... well that was also weird.

81 - ashman missed out too - by one vote. he won 6 other media awards and it just goes to prove umpires often get it wrong.

The MVP is the proper award in my opinion. rarely do they get that wrong.

Ablett won the MVP in 93 didn't he?


Back onto Ablett - if anyone has footage of ablett please hold onto it -pass it onto club or whatever, as Channel 7 have deleted most of their footage.



If you have any tapes - i would be happy to "lend" a tape if you want to send me a private message about Ablett footage. I don't expect any posts by the way, but i know you can buy the 1989 preliminary final thru afl videos. At least they held onto one or two of his great matches.

 

[tony_montana]

ablett was a superior player to carey.

being a tiges supporter I regularly got to see the best players do what they wanted to our poor excuse of a team, I saw plugger demolish us time and again, saw dunstall kick 17, saw Carey rip us apart, saw Hird at his maurauding best, but no-one, i repeat no-one stood out like the great man Ablett, the best player I've ever seen by a country mile. He made very good players like gavin brown and James Hird look very ordinary and very stupid.

Ablett > daylight > Carey > the rest

 

[OBJECTIVE]

Why are there so many half witted North Melbourne supporters sabotaging this thread with tripe about Carey?? Carey was one of the greats no doubt, but this thread is not about him. It's about a player who, despite not being as highly decorated, was superior in terms of sheer natural ability. If North fans want to rant incessantly about their man, they should start a seperate thread, or stick to their own board.

 

[Big Nasty]

Why are there so many half witted North Melbourne supporters sabotaging this thread with tripe about Carey?? Carey was one of the greats no doubt, but this thread is not about him. It's about a player who, despite not being as highly decorated, was superior in terms of sheer natural ability. If North fans want to rant incessantly about their man, they should start a seperate thread, or stick to their own board.

Amen Brother.

 

[Asty]

How good are Hawthorn- they trade away Ablett, then a decade and a bit later refuse to select Judd.

I dont think they traded Ablett it was more that he walked away from the club and returned to country footy for a year. (didn't like the city life?)

 

[The Teflon Dean]

Why are there so many half witted North Melbourne supporters sabotaging this thread with tripe about Carey?? Carey was one of the greats no doubt, but this thread is not about him. It's about a player who, despite not being as highly decorated, was superior in terms of sheer natural ability. If North fans want to rant incessantly about their man, they should start a seperate thread, or stick to their own board.

Open your eyes next time.

Big Goosey first bought it up:

I can't believe how defensive all these Nth. Supporters are whenever theres something mentioned about how great Ablett was. No Carey wasn't better than Ablett.

Amen Brother.

Hilarious stuff.

 

[favourites]

Another freak of the game

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=NV8C8oQUnNQ

Comparing champions is pointless

 

[Swanny36]

i hate geelong but i have to say i love ablett..

 

[Swanny36]

Another freak of the game

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=NV8C8oQUnNQ

Comparing champions is pointless

i love that man!

 

[Ron The Bear]

Back onto Ablett - if anyone has footage of ablett please hold onto it -pass it onto club or whatever, as Channel 7 have deleted most of their footage.

Say it ain't so!

 

[biggalz23]

greatest of all time

 

[Bollox]

Bollox, sounds like your judgement is clouded by your dislike for Williams.

He won a Brownlow whilst at Sydney as well.

The thing with Williams is that HE KNEW he was good and he openly stated it, so that gets up people's goat....such as yourself.

The man was a brilliant footballer. re: 1993 - the people that ended up getting the votes in that match where Williams got 89 possessions or whatever it was... did next to nothing in that match, which makes it bizarre.

The umpire interviewed many years later said he didn't want to give votes to Williams as he talked too much. That is his decision - he has to live with his conscience.

As bad as 93 was - having Kouta miss votes in 2000 for that purple patch he was in whilst woewodin picked up votes for 10 possession games... well that was also weird.

81 - ashman missed out too - by one vote. he won 6 other media awards and it just goes to prove umpires often get it wrong.

The MVP is the proper award in my opinion. rarely do they get that wrong.

Ablett won the MVP in 93 didn't he?

We're all well aware he won a medal when he was up here....and noone is saying he wasnt a good footballer.

The point was being made in regards to that 3rd Brownlow he craved (and still does) and the way the Carlton fans still back him up on it. Having a big game was never a guarantee of getting Brownlow votes...and quoting high possession numbers is meaningless even when they are 44 for a game. If u read back u;ll see Barry Mitchell's 91 season and how he didnt get a single vote all season despite dominating 46 possie games etc just as an example. Regardless of where he was playing we all remember Williams had major issues with the umps and virtually every game he would run a gauntlet with the guys that actually award the votes. In many ways he got votes in games when the umps could've easily overlooked him after gobbing off too much. Afterall its the comp's BnF award rather than the MVP. Part of that is NOT displaying contempt toward the umpires. Its the same way today.

He may have eneded up 1 vote short but i was pointing out the opposing obvious thing about Williams and his Medals....he could just as easily have ended up 5 or more votes short that yr for the lip he handed out. Plenty of guys have played seasons like that and not even come close to the medal.

As a bloke not many liked him...when he openly checked out his legal situation with regards to that medal it wasnt a shock to many because its just the type of bloke he is...he just couldnt leave it alone and just feel glad that he won the two of them.

Williams knows as well as everyone his relationship with the umps and the other players. Both the players and the umps put their dislike aside and still voted for him in 94 despite the constant underlying friction...he'd learnt a lot from missing out on that 93 medal and it probably helped him win it in 94 when he was a little more restrained with the umps but still no sweetheart.

To me his best Cartlon yr was 94 but u may remember he then had that memorable run in where he ended up with more stitches in his mouth and yet another date at the tribunal for clipping Robert Harvey. Not many could figure out how he got off that charge at the time but ppl seem to have forgetten about it and i know Carlton fans WERE and STILL ARE fairly grateful he wasnt shunted out of Brownlow contention for it. You can argue he was actually an inch from missing out on the 94 medal also.

If u think about it the umpires could have just as easily made it a little easier to suspend him for that but didnt....he managed to temper his mouth and elbows a little after that and both the players and umps voted for him that season.

Point being these situations were always his own doing...noone else's. He brought them on himself. I was pointing out that in many ways he should feel damn lucky to have won TWO instead of feeling hard by about a third in 93.

93 was Ablett's year. Sometimes the players get the medal right, sometimes the umpires get it right and sometimes both get it right. But u cant go around acting the goose and expect any favours from whoever is handing out the votes. The players didnt vote for him in 93 either.

Williams will probably go to his grave feeling hard done by in 93 but history at least reserved something for Ablett in 93 where he deservedly won an MVP and it turned out to be his only voted medal (blow/mvp).

Its a bit off topic and prob deserves a thread itself. If Williams deserved any medal in 93 he would have got one..but neither the players nor the umps gave him one. That irks him bad...but he should have no complaints and nor should the Carlton fans.

93 was truly the "Year of the Gary"..or as Geelong fans would prefer "Year of the God"

 

[harmesy 37]

We're all well aware he won a medal when he was up here....and noone is saying he wasnt a good footballer.

The point was being made in regards to that 3rd Brownlow he craved (and still does) and the way the Carlton fans still back him up on it. Having a big game was never a guarantee of getting Brownlow votes...and quoting high possession numbers is meaningless even when they are 44 for a game. If u read back u;ll see Barry Mitchell's 91 season and how he didnt get a single vote all season despite dominating 46 possie games etc just as an example. Regardless of where he was playing we all remember Williams had major issues with the umps and virtually every game he would run a gauntlet with the guys that actually award the votes. In many ways he got votes in games when the umps could've easily overlooked him after gobbing off too much. Afterall its the comp's BnF award rather than the MVP. Part of that is NOT displaying contempt toward the umpires. Its the same way today.

He may have eneded up 1 vote short but i was pointing out the opposing obvious thing about Williams and his Medals....he could just as easily have ended up 5 or more votes short that yr for the lip he handed out. Plenty of guys have played seasons like that and not even come close to the medal.

As a bloke not many liked him...when he openly checked out his legal situation with regards to that medal it wasnt a shock to many because its just the type of bloke he is...he just couldnt leave it alone and just feel glad that he won the two of them.

Williams knows as well as everyone his relationship with the umps and the other players. Both the players and the umps put their dislike aside and still voted for him in 94 despite the constant underlying friction...he'd learnt a lot from missing out on that 93 medal and it probably helped him win it in 94 when he was a little more restrained with the umps but still no sweetheart.

To me his best Cartlon yr was 94 but u may remember he then had that memorable run in where he ended up with more stitches in his mouth and yet another date at the tribunal for clipping Robert Harvey. Not many could figure out how he got off that charge at the time but ppl seem to have forgetten about it and i know Carlton fans WERE and STILL ARE fairly grateful he wasnt shunted out of Brownlow contention for it. You can argue he was actually an inch from missing out on the 94 medal also.

If u think about it the umpires could have just as easily made it a little easier to suspend him for that but didnt....he managed to temper his mouth and elbows a little after that and both the players and umps voted for him that season.

Point being these situations were always his own doing...noone else's. He brought them on himself. I was pointing out that in many ways he should feel damn lucky to have won TWO instead of feeling hard by about a third in 93.

93 was Ablett's year. Sometimes the players get the medal right, sometimes the umpires get it right and sometimes both get it right. But u cant go around acting the goose and expect any favours from whoever is handing out the votes. The players didnt vote for him in 93 either.

Williams will probably go to his grave feeling hard done by in 93 but history at least reserved something for Ablett in 93 where he deservedly won an MVP and it turned out to be his only voted medal (blow/mvp).

Its a bit off topic and prob deserves a thread itself. If Williams deserved any medal in 93 he would have got one..but neither the players nor the umps gave him one. That irks him bad...but he should have no complaints and nor should the Carlton fans.

93 was truly the "Year of the Gary"..or as Geelong fans would prefer "Year of the God"

I agree with a lot of your points in this post.


I do think that Williams can feel hard done by to not receive one vote for that match against melbourne when he was clearly best on ground. The umpire in question stated after that he didn't give any votes to Williams because he mouthed off too much.


Comparing Mitchell's scenario doesn't really work for me as Mitchell never missed out on the Brownlow by one vote due to mouthing off, but I do understand what your point is at the same time.



Yeah, i agree with your point about Williams pulling his head in a bit in 94 yet the pressure that bloke was under with scragging and scratching and sniping would be enough to send anyone demented.



I clearly remember one game against North in 94 where they had 4 guys rotating off him and they all collectively scragged him, punched him, kneed him etc. The fact was that Williams was so good that four opponents or more were often needed.


Wayne Carey, in contrast, may have a couple of opponents in a match, but rarely did he have four opponent and rarely did he have to get into the packs to get the ball. The ball was kicked to him to beat other blokes in aerial duels.
Williams set up the plays.


re: your point not many people liking Williams. I get that. It grates when someone is that good and openly says he is that good. In his book he craps on for ages about his possession tally etc... but he did match his talking with action. For a basically slow player to achieve what he did was remarkable.


by the way, I have no problems with Ablett winning the mvp in 93. He should have won a few more best and fairests at Geelong as well, but perception colours judgement and maybe like Williams he rubbed people in powerful positions up the wrong way. The best players are often asked to bring themselves back to the field.

 

[harmesy 37]

Say it ain't so!

It is true.

In the 1970's -80's Channel 7 saw no value in keeping football games on tape... so they have gone forever.

If anyone out there has footage of Ablett send it into the Geelong Football Club. It is most likely footage that the club wouldn't have anymore.

 

[stui magpie]

Whats so idiotic about it? It wasnt me that said that Wayne Carey wasnt as complete a player as Ablett because he couldnt jump as high or wasnt as quick as Ablett.

How about we look at it like this

Carey:
Speed: tick
Foot skills on both sides: tick
Hand skills on both sides: tick
Presence: tick
Strength: tick
Agility: tick
Marking, contested and uncontested: tick
Skills below his knees: tick

Sounds pretty complete to me.

You seriously don't get it do you? It wasn't about being a complete player, better player or more valuable player, it was about natural skill and ability and you've just admitted that carey wasn't as fast as Ablett and couldn't jump as high therefore didn't have the same complete level of natural skill and ability.


It's like having an argument with a 3 year old and there's only one way to win one of those.







Go to your room, now, and think about what you've done.

 

[The Teflon Dean]

The fact was that Williams was so good that four opponents or more were often needed.


Wayne Carey, in contrast, may have a couple of opponents in a match, but rarely did he have four opponent and rarely did he have to get into the packs to get the ball. The ball was kicked to him to beat other blokes in aerial duels.

Complete and utter bovine excrement.

Did Williams play almost exclusively in the centre?

Did Craig Bradley, Fraser Brown and Brett Ratten walk around on their own for several years?

Was Williams protected at ball ups from multiple taggings by an area that is commonly referred to as "The centre square", for the majority of his career?

If you double or triple teamed Williams then the Carltons other (top shelf) midfielders would have had a field day, so the logic behind this is severely flawed.

Williams NEVER had to contend with multiple opponents to the extent Carey did? Never!

Biggest load of garbage ever typed out on BF.

 

[Deep Blue]

Goosebumps!

Thanks Big Nasty!

What an electric player - he had it all: strength, pace, exquisite skills. Geelong's best player of all time and only outdone by Matthews by virtue of the fact that Matthews played more games and obviously went on to coach with great success.

 

[DarwinRoo]

You seriously don't get it do you? It wasn't about being a complete player, better player or more valuable player, it was about natural skill and ability and you've just admitted that carey wasn't as fast as Ablett and couldn't jump as high therefore didn't have the same complete level of natural skill and ability.


It's like having an argument with a 3 year old and there's only one way to win one of those.




Go to your room, now, and think about what you've done.

No i dont think you get it. Some people are going to be quicker than others or jump higher than others. Does that make them better.

The fact is Wayne Carey is a complete player. Take Michael Jordan for instance. He is not the highest jumper, the best dribbler or ball handler, the best passer or even the best shooter but in terms of being great at all the fundamental skills of basketball, he is the most complete.

Could Gary Ablett handball as good as Carey? I doubt it.

 

[stui magpie]

^

IQ of a potted palm.

Talk to your grade 6 teacher when school comes back junior, you need to work on your reading comprehension.

 

[DarwinRoo]

^

IQ of a potted palm.

Talk to your grade 6 teacher when school comes back junior, you need to work on your reading comprehension.

Well tell me is Ablett a better handballer than Carey?

Is Abletts as naturally able when it comes to executing a handball as Wayne Carey?

 

[stui magpie]

Yeah, he was. Neither handballed much.

For the sake of it, this was what I originally said.

The man was an absolute freak on a football field, he was the total package. Speed, Strength, Physical presence, tough, great at ground level and equally as good in the air. I can't think of a player before or since who could do it all as well as he could.

Phil Carmen for a season maybe, Sam Kekovich 2-3 games a year, but no one who did it consistently.

Note for the mentallly challenged. I didn't say he was the best player ever, I compared him skillwise to two fruitloops who could do incredible things. (BTW, on their best day, either Keka or Carmen would have given Carey a football lesson in sheer brilliance)

 

[DarwinRoo]

Yeah, he was. Neither handballed much.

For the sake of it, this was what I originally said.



Note for the mentallly challenged. I didn't say he was the best player ever, I compared him skillwise to two fruitloops who could do incredible things. (BTW, on their best day, either Keka or Carmen would have given Carey a football lesson in sheer brilliance)

Wayne in his last 247 games was averaging 4.7 handballs a game. Ablett in his last 114 games averaged about 1.5 handballs a game.

I think we are going to have to agree to disagree.