Mega Thread The 2017 'Buckley's Chances' Thread

[ThePhantom777]

Any word out of the Pies on how Sanderson is going as an assistant?

 

[Krueger]

And I'm telling you to stop because you were pissing and moaning and wanting him gone before then.

And Im telling you he shouldnt have been given extensions. He was never gona be sacked half way through his first contract was he?

 

[Krueger]

The hypocrisy of the argument that the players back Bucks is laughable. Not long ago the players didnt want a coaching change, that really worked didnt it...

 

[Schraderbrau]

The captain having to tell the media he is backing the coach is one small step away from the board telling the media that they're backing the coach and we all know what that means ...

 

[Roverjg]

Article in Tomorrow's Herald Sun

DESPERATE times call for desperate measures.

Collingwood isn’t sure if it wants Nathan Buckley as its coach and he says he has a decision to make on coaching them, too.

At 5-9, for the board to simply back in Buckley on a promise success is near would be blind faith.

Because for four years, Collingwood has been mired in mediocrity.

Collingwood’s board is full of heavy hitters who in their business lives would never rehire someone without assessing potential replacements.

From new Australia Post CEO Christine Holgate to KordaMentha co-founder Mark Korda to Alisa Camplin and Eddie McGuire, the rise to the top by these Magpies powerbrokers was no accident. These are people who assemble all available evidence before making a decision.

With that in mind, Collingwood’s board should give Buckley the chance to reapply for his job while also considering outside contenders.

It is impossible for them to extend Buckley’s tenure without first asking if Alastair Clarkson and Paul Roos are available and speaking to the likes of John Barker and Stuart Dew.

Spend the first two weeks of another vacant finals campaign making those inquiries and sounding out those who might be interested. Then allow Buckley to present to the board on his plan for the future.

Here is the stunning stat that would worry the Collingwood board as well as its football department.

Collingwood’s top 10 players from the 2016 best-and-fairest have missed a total of three games with injury this year. Yep, three. Of the top six players in the count, they have played every game bar Adam Treloar’s single absence in Round 8. Scott Pendlebury, Steele Sidebottom, Brodie Grundy, Jeremy Howe, Taylor Adams and Jack Crisp have played every game. Josh Smith (seventh) has been dropped but hasn’t missed with injury, Levi Greenwood (eighth) missed two weeks with a hammy and Jarryd Blair has been in and out on form.

Of the players outside the top 10, Jamie Elliott has played nine games, Darcy Moore 14, Alex Fasolo 13. Daniel Wells has missed seven and Travis Varcoe eight but consider Melbourne’s eight wins despite playing without Max Gawn, Jesse Hogan and Nathan Jones, among others.

In August 2015, after another failed season, Buckley said: “We have got plans and designs about what our team is going to look like in 2017-18 when we think this particular evolution of our list is going to reach its full maturity.’’

Now Buckley says the fans must wait for this youthful group to mature into their mid and late-20s before we see their full talent realised.

The definition of insanity often attributed to Einstein is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

What exactly will Buckley change with his game style and list management to keep a sinking ship afloat?

Damien Hardwick didn’t just expect Richmond to rebound, he changed his entire game plan, recruited smartly, admitted his coaching flaws and addressed them.

Rolling Buckley over for one more season would just create 12 more months of discussion and controversy. Assessing all options with Buckley’s full knowledge and then extending his contract — if that is the board’s decision — would actually give him a mandate for the future.

FIT TO SERVE

Games lost to injury this year by Collingwood’s 2016 best and fairest Top 10

1. Scott Pendlebury 0

2. Adam Treloar 1

3. Steele Sidebottom 0

4. Brodie Grundy 0

5. Jeremy Howe 0

6. Taylor Adams 0

7. Josh Smith 0 (dropped for three games)

8. Levi Greenwood 2

9. Jack Crisp 0

10 Jarryd Blair 0 (played just six AFL games on form)

Champion Data says Collingwood has lost 81 games to injury, the ninth-most in the competition.

Nine players have played every game — Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Howe, Grundy, Adams, Crisp, Moore, Maynard, Hoskin-Elliott.

 

[Dubaimagpie]

Having seen his press conference, he sounded like he knows he won't be around next year.


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[JollyBallsUp]

Im not so sure about it. He should have been sacked 2 or 3 years ago and was given extensions for no reason other than being Nathan Buckley. The right call was to delay the succession plan to begin with and that was stuffed up as well courtesy of some bs contract and the name Nathan Buckley.

The succession plan should have been delayed. We had a strong list at the time and could have pushed for more premierships with all the players on board.
Had a delayed succession plan been in place I believe we would have gone back to back and who knows how 2012 would have played out.

 

[Chrispiesssss]

As anyone else heard about the John Longmire rumour? Apparently we are really into him. I've heard it more than once in recent times.

 

[Vicky Park]

I'm not sure that changing coaches will be enough to drag us out of this malaise. We've gut structural problems at the club, and they start at the top.

 

[Scodog10]

I'm not sure that changing coaches will be enough to drag us out of this malaise. We've gut structural problems at the club, and they start at the top.

I definitely agree, but this is the Buckley megathread so all eyes are rightfully on him in this discussion. Pert's time will come as will the boards if they don't awake from their slumber and act.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

The succession plan should have been delayed. We had a strong list at the time and could have pushed for more premierships with all the players on board.
Had a delayed succession plan been in place I believe we would have gone back to back and who knows how 2012 would have played out.

The succession plan in 2017 is an irrelevance .

And it didn't stop us winning in 2011. Geelong did

 

[Scodog10]

The succession plan in 2017 is an irrelevance .

And it didn't stop us winning in 2011. Geelong did

It's such a boring topic to boot!

Who cares about the mistakes of the past let's focus on how to rectify the issues of the present.

 

[Help My Club]

Putting aside McGuire's conflicted emotive bias towards Buckley, any reasonably minded person would likely come to the conclusion that Buckley's coaching days at Collingwood are numbered.

So what about the bloke himself. There is speculation of replacement coaches - Roos, Longmire, Clarko etc. Earlier, I questioned the man's honor but I am wondering whether he lacks awareness. Can't he see that his continued presence and all the associated speculation is harming the footy club he states that he loves. And what about the playing group? These are the traits of an individual is putting himself first in a desperate quest for that prize that has so far eluded him - a premiership.

Back to the players. Previously I referred to his departure as creating a valve release. For a minute, just imagine what it could be like for these players if for the next 7-8 weeks of this season, they could just go out and play footy without the worry/spectre of how their performance might impact on the future of their coach. Under an interim coach, who ever it is, 7-8 weeks of just enjoying their footy. Now there's a valve release.

 

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

As anyone else heard about the John Longmire rumour? Apparently we are really into him. I've heard it more than once in recent times.

He is a more gettable candidate than Al Clarkson.

 

[El cane]

As anyone else heard about the John Longmire rumour? Apparently we are really into him. I've heard it more than once in recent times.

Yes but i reckon it grew out of the swans poor start losing the first 6. Think he's contracted for a few years so would take some doing to break that.

Would take some doing the get the swans to release him given the relationship with Eddie. What would we have to pay with that. Hopefully we just have to give them the rights to kiss cam and the rest of the home game amusements. I imagine they would appoint Dew as a replacement for Longmire though so it's not a complete loss.

Wouldn't we be more likely to target Dew than Longmire? Assistants have carte blanche rights to apply for the top jobs don't they?

I would love horse at the pies though. Followed him since he was 16 playing for Corowa Rutherglen against Wodonga in the O&M.

Not sure if bad horse would like it though.

 

[MarkT2]

I'm not sure that changing coaches will be enough to drag us out of this malaise. We've gut structural problems at the club, and they start at the top.

It won't be enough. That doesn't mean it isn't necessary. It's already too late to correct past errors but the start has to be made. The coach is one appointment. Talent identification and list management - two different roles IMO are in need of significant improvement. We also need better assistant coaches based on our lack of tactical nouse and game strategy. None of that can properly and consistently happen if the administration isn't up to par. We are where we are due to how we are run.

 

[JollyBallsUp]

As anyone else heard about the John Longmire rumour? Apparently we are really into him. I've heard it more than once in recent times.

He can come provided he brings some players with him.

 

[JollyBallsUp]

The succession plan in 2017 is an irrelevance .

And it didn't stop us winning in 2011. Geelong did

We had the team to beat Geelong but poor coaching and some player descent played its part in the final result.

 

[DaVe86]

Article in Tomorrow's Herald Sun

DESPERATE times call for desperate measures.

Collingwood isn’t sure if it wants Nathan Buckley as its coach and he says he has a decision to make on coaching them, too.

At 5-9, for the board to simply back in Buckley on a promise success is near would be blind faith.

Because for four years, Collingwood has been mired in mediocrity.

Collingwood’s board is full of heavy hitters who in their business lives would never rehire someone without assessing potential replacements.

From new Australia Post CEO Christine Holgate to KordaMentha co-founder Mark Korda to Alisa Camplin and Eddie McGuire, the rise to the top by these Magpies powerbrokers was no accident. These are people who assemble all available evidence before making a decision.

With that in mind, Collingwood’s board should give Buckley the chance to reapply for his job while also considering outside contenders.

It is impossible for them to extend Buckley’s tenure without first asking if Alastair Clarkson and Paul Roos are available and speaking to the likes of John Barker and Stuart Dew.

Spend the first two weeks of another vacant finals campaign making those inquiries and sounding out those who might be interested. Then allow Buckley to present to the board on his plan for the future.

Here is the stunning stat that would worry the Collingwood board as well as its football department.

Collingwood’s top 10 players from the 2016 best-and-fairest have missed a total of three games with injury this year. Yep, three. Of the top six players in the count, they have played every game bar Adam Treloar’s single absence in Round 8. Scott Pendlebury, Steele Sidebottom, Brodie Grundy, Jeremy Howe, Taylor Adams and Jack Crisp have played every game. Josh Smith (seventh) has been dropped but hasn’t missed with injury, Levi Greenwood (eighth) missed two weeks with a hammy and Jarryd Blair has been in and out on form.

Of the players outside the top 10, Jamie Elliott has played nine games, Darcy Moore 14, Alex Fasolo 13. Daniel Wells has missed seven and Travis Varcoe eight but consider Melbourne’s eight wins despite playing without Max Gawn, Jesse Hogan and Nathan Jones, among others.

In August 2015, after another failed season, Buckley said: “We have got plans and designs about what our team is going to look like in 2017-18 when we think this particular evolution of our list is going to reach its full maturity.’’

Now Buckley says the fans must wait for this youthful group to mature into their mid and late-20s before we see their full talent realised.

The definition of insanity often attributed to Einstein is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

What exactly will Buckley change with his game style and list management to keep a sinking ship afloat?

Damien Hardwick didn’t just expect Richmond to rebound, he changed his entire game plan, recruited smartly, admitted his coaching flaws and addressed them.

Rolling Buckley over for one more season would just create 12 more months of discussion and controversy. Assessing all options with Buckley’s full knowledge and then extending his contract — if that is the board’s decision — would actually give him a mandate for the future.

FIT TO SERVE

Games lost to injury this year by Collingwood’s 2016 best and fairest Top 10

1. Scott Pendlebury 0

2. Adam Treloar 1

3. Steele Sidebottom 0

4. Brodie Grundy 0

5. Jeremy Howe 0

6. Taylor Adams 0

7. Josh Smith 0 (dropped for three games)

8. Levi Greenwood 2

9. Jack Crisp 0

10 Jarryd Blair 0 (played just six AFL games on form)

Champion Data says Collingwood has lost 81 games to injury, the ninth-most in the competition.

Nine players have played every game — Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Howe, Grundy, Adams, Crisp, Moore, Maynard, Hoskin-Elliott.

It's hard to argue with the majority of that article.

I agree that simply rolling Buckley over onto a 1 year contract would only cause another year of scrutiny. I think the club needs some clear air. A coach with an opportunity to let this list develop without the constant speculation.

If Buckley is to stay, I also agree that we need to make some significant changes to our game-style. This precise kicking game isn't well suited because we don't have the elite kickers.

We've always looked our best when its simply man on man, and the players are given freedom. Richmond have thrived on such a coaching directive this year and maybe we should take a leaf out of their book.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

SEN Pelchin: "Collingwood will be a very strong team over the next 12 to 24 months, Collingwood should reappoint Buckley"(Paraphrase)

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Putting aside McGuire's conflicted emotive bias towards Buckley, any reasonably minded person would likely come to the conclusion that Buckley's coaching days at Collingwood are numbered.

What conflict?

 

[doodles98]

SEN Pelchin: "Collingwood will be a very strong team over the next 12 to 24 months, Collingwood should reappoint Buckley"(Paraphrase)

I'm convinced!
/End thread.

 

[PhiloBeddoe]

SEN Pelchin: "Collingwood will be a very strong team over the next 12 to 24 months, Collingwood should reappoint Buckley"(Paraphrase)

He's auditioning for Hine's job.
Eddie: Chris, in your opinion will we need a list overhaul?
CP: No, changes will be minimal, the list is strong.
Eddie: Then why do we need you?
CP: I'll get you the cream, just like I did at Hawthorn.
Eddie: but you didn't actually.......
CP: minor detail, Eddie.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

We had the team to beat Geelong but poor coaching and some player descent played its part in the final result.

Which took until the last quarter of the 2011 grand final to manifest itself?

Or are you suggesting the poor coaching on gf day was deliberate? Was it deliberate in 2003 when Malthouse also had a stinker?

Geelong were the one team we couldn't beat in 2011. Nothing to do with the succession plan.

 

[PhiloBeddoe]

And Im telling you he shouldnt have been given extensions. He was never gona be sacked half way through his first contract was he?

In the first couple of rounds in 2012, you were already moaning about the gameplan and having a crack at Buckley. Couldn't take many of your posts seriously after that. Put it this way, some posters at least waited until they'd seen a couple of years before they jumped off. I'm more likely to respect what they have to say even though I may have issues with the way they say it. Realistically, you were were never going to give him a chance and that was evident very early in the piece.