The "4th Ruck is useless" myth

[Powerade 08]

nor should he, to be honest. He is a large spud.

Hmmm. Yea, lol. Not sure about that. He will get games this year for anyone who has him. We just don't know when yet. A good 4th ruck.

 

[Parasite]

The Lobbe/Tippett thing will only work if you have a good forward rookie...which I am a bit concerned about at the moment.

 

[Ingall]

The Lobbe/Tippett thing will only work if you have a good forward rookie...

... or a good mid/fwd combo as well ....

 

[Falchoon]

Clark-Kreuzer-Warnock-Charman... I actually wouldn't mind having that combo.

My initial team was

Kreuzer/Warnock Brogan/Lobbe

love the look of Brogan without Lade, slight doubt on his aging body

Love Kreuzer as a ruckman, hate him at CHF, given their lack of forward options and plethora of ruck options, i don't like him.

 

[ANGEL DARK]

lobbe hasnt been named against the dogs

Lobbe is one of those tall spuds who will take time to develop and wont play much senior footy this year and when he does he will be lucky to averege 20-25 points a game.There a few better choices at his price or even for around 10 grand more in the forward line but i wouldnt want to be having him as a 3rd ruck option as he will give you slightly more than the odd dohnut

 

[Faz 2000]

Lobbe's output is utterly, utterly irrelevant.

He's in there at 4th ruck so that if Warnock (3rd ruck) can't cover my two starting rucks, Tippett can from the forward line.

I've copped too many 0s in the ruck division over the last few years, and I think this strategy makes that very unlikely without actually spending money on a 4th ruck.

 

[marky53]

Lobbe's output is utterly, utterly irrelevant.

He's in there at 4th ruck so that if Warnock (3rd ruck) can't cover my two starting rucks, Tippett can from the forward line.

I've copped too many 0s in the ruck division over the last few years, and I think this strategy makes that very unlikely without actually spending money on a 4th ruck.

who are your starting rucks?

 

[Faz 2000]

Expensive ones.

 

[Mean Muggin]

Jolly
M. Clark

Bench:

Nanitui
Warnock

Two premium rucks to score well, and bench ruckman that will play majority games and score well, and by round 10 you can kick your team into overdrive by selling them for spuds and topping up the midfield cash cows.

 

[Mean Muggin]

Lobbe's output is utterly, utterly irrelevant.

He's in there at 4th ruck so that if Warnock (3rd ruck) can't cover my two starting rucks, Tippett can from the forward line.

I've copped too many 0s in the ruck division over the last few years, and I think this strategy makes that very unlikely without actually spending money on a 4th ruck.

Um, how exactly is Tippett going to cover your rucks from the foward line?

 

[Ingall]

Jolly
M. Clark

Bench:

Nanitui
Warnock

Two premium rucks to score well, and bench ruckman that will play majority games and score well, and by round 10 you can kick your team into overdrive by selling them for spuds and topping up the midfield cash cows.

Warnock perhaps, but for Naitanui to make you any worthwhile money in 10 weeks he'll have to score about 80 every week.

Um, how exactly is Tippett going to cover your rucks from the foward line?

Swap with Lobbe.

 

[Hondo]

Jolly
M. Clark

Bench:

Nanitui
Warnock

Two premium rucks to score well, and bench ruckman that will play majority games and score well, and by round 10 you can kick your team into overdrive by selling them for spuds and topping up the midfield cash cows.

You've spent $450K on your ruck bench?

Pick Warnock and then some el cheapo and get that $200K onto your field. It's good to have depth on the bench but that's OTT IMO.

Up to you though.

 

[September 27 2008]

I think in the past the 4th ruck has been useless, but with the MPP this year I think it has changed to invaluable. If you're not taking Lobbe as a 4th Ruck, with Tippett as a forward you are just wasting it. Why have a 4th ruck as Skipper or Roughead or an 83K rookie. They are not going to make you any cash, just like Lobbe. But with Lobbe, an injury results in cover. If only this was around last year. Maybe then I would have picked H-Mac. I was just worried he was going to spend so much time off the ground. This year I'm taking Hille. And I'm not remotely worried about it as I have cover

 

[Jinnasaur]

I've got an 83k Rookie as my fourth ruck and Lobbe as my third

The whole point of having Lobbe and Tippet is so tippet can be your ruck cover so having someone like warnock kind of cancels out your MPP initiative.
Also, trading warnock down to an 83k rookie nets you almost 50k!

On the other hand, if Tippet and a ruck goes out, I screwed...

 

[ANGEL DARK]

I think in the past the 4th ruck has been useless, but with the MPP this year I think it has changed to invaluable. If you're not taking Lobbe as a 4th Ruck, with Tippett as a forward you are just wasting it. Why have a 4th ruck as Skipper or Roughead or an 83K rookie. They are not going to make you any cash, just like Lobbe. But with Lobbe, an injury results in cover. If only this was around last year. Maybe then I would have picked H-Mac. I was just worried he was going to spend so much time off the ground. This year I'm taking Hille. And I'm not remotely worried about it as I have cover

Lobbe will be lucky to make you any cash anyway this season as he wont be playing much unless Port get injuries in their ruck area.At best he may make you 30 grand if he plays a handful of games which hardly makes him any sort of cash cow.I would rather spend the bare minimum on the 4th ruck even if he doesnt play a game as it allows you to spend the money elsewhere where you really need to

 

[Stocka]

If a player averages around 30-40 points a game, wouldn't this elevate their price up to around the 200k mark? If so, a wise pick for a fourth ruck costing around 100k or less who might play often enough to see their price rise by this amount later in the season might give a moderate cash boost of 100k to assist the upgrading of a mid-pricer to a premium.

 

[Hondo]

If a player averages around 30-40 points a game, wouldn't this elevate their price up to around the 200k mark? If so, a wise pick for a fourth ruck costing around 100k or less who might play often enough to see their price rise by this amount later in the season might give a moderate cash boost of 100k to assist the upgrading of a mid-pricer to a premium.

That's assuming:

1 - there's a rookie ready to trade in at the same time
2 - you've got the trades spare at that stage of the season to swap rookie rucks for only $100K. Ideally you'd want more than that from a downgrade.

But, it's an option at least and that's something you wouldn't have if you picked a nobody as 4th ruck. Whether you would ever actually cash in that straggly, skinny cow in reality is the question.

 

[Stocka]

That's assuming:

1 - there's a rookie ready to trade in at the same time
2 - you've got the trades spare at that stage of the season to swap rookie rucks for only $100K. Ideally you'd want more than that from a downgrade.

But, it's an option at least and that's something you wouldn't have if you picked a nobody as 4th ruck. Whether you would ever actually cash in that straggly, skinny cow in reality is the question.

If you made the move late in the year, you could probably be confident in swapping your fourth ruck for an 84k rookie, even if they don't play, as long as your third ruck is still getting a run.

I suppose whether or not you'd make the move would largely depend on how much money you'd stand to make out of it. It would also depend on how many trades you'd been forced to make due to injury, rather than by choice.

 

[September 27 2008]

Lobbe will be lucky to make you any cash anyway this season as he wont be playing much unless Port get injuries in their ruck area.At best he may make you 30 grand if he plays a handful of games which hardly makes him any sort of cash cow.I would rather spend the bare minimum on the 4th ruck even if he doesnt play a game as it allows you to spend the money elsewhere where you really need to

If you read my above post more clearer it states Lobbe won't make any cash. He is there so that Tippett can cover Hille. Hopefully Hille makes good cash, and Tippett fires so he can become my 2nd ruck and by cashing in Hille and Lobbe I get another gun forward. That's just my strategy. There is probably going to be no 4th ruck under Warnock's price that will be any good, but Lobbe becomes important due to MPP. I would rather spend the extra 17K now on Lobbe, so that I don't have to waste a trade until I want to cash Hille in

 

[ozzyoslo]

patch adams has done us all a favour now. Taylor from hawks out, Wade skipper gets elevated and lobbe as your swing option to the forward with tippett

 

[Skystyler]

the problem I have with the Lobbe/Tippett strategy is I wouldn't normally consider Tippett as a good choice for a SC forward. Yeah, he'll kick the odd bag but some games he will barely get a touch. Averaged 80 last year, which is great for your 3rd ruckman, not so great for a reasonably expensive starting forward. I dont see his average going up this year, despite kicking 5 against the Dees on the weekend. So you are compromising your forward line to cover your ruck. I dont like it.

 

[September 27 2008]

Point taken. And quite valid. Just that I believe he will breakout this year. I was happy to see him kick 5 against the Dees. I would rather him find form now than go into the season showing nothing

 

[shiva25]

the problem I have with the Lobbe/Tippett strategy is I wouldn't normally consider Tippett as a good choice for a SC forward. Yeah, he'll kick the odd bag but some games he will barely get a touch. Averaged 80 last year, which is great for your 3rd ruckman, not so great for a reasonably expensive starting forward. I dont see his average going up this year, despite kicking 5 against the Dees on the weekend. So you are compromising your forward line to cover your ruck. I dont like it.

Totally agree. I can only see hime averaging a touch more than 80 this year if he improves.Anyone can just about kick 5 against an ordinary Melbourne defence so its hardly grounds to pick him based on his efforts against Melbourne. I just think there are far better options at his price or even lower that will do better

 

[Judd_Magic]

Totally agree. I can only see hime averaging a touch more than 80 this year if he improves.Anyone can just about kick 5 against an ordinary Melbourne defence so its hardly grounds to pick him based on his efforts against Melbourne. I just think there are far better options at his price or even lower that will do better

Care to name names?

I can think of Gia, Hall and maybe Medhurrst.

 

[thomas_m18]

Care to name names?

I can think of Gia, Hall and maybe Medhurrst.

Jarrad Waite springs to my mind.