Play Nice The 'all things Carlton' mega-thread

[citizen-erased]

Why are Carlton supporters acting like a priority pick is a good thing?

There are serious problems at your club if the AFL are even considering handing Silvagni a priority pick.

Very sad state of affairs.

pretty obvious.

Reality is they are where they are.
A priority pick is better than not having one. It doesn't make them any better by not having it, so if it's there you swallow your pride and take it.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

pretty obvious.

Reality is they are where they are.
A priority pick is better than not having one. It doesn't make them any better by not having it, so if it's there you swallow your pride and take it.

I’d rather do it without one, I don’t think pick 19 is the difference between success or not. It may help us get a nice senior body or more likely another talented kid, but talent is not our issue at the moment, it runs deeper than that.

 

[Adz]

Did Bolton really defend their opening q today?

 

[citizen-erased]

I’d rather do it without one, I don’t think pick 19 is the difference between success or not. It may help us get a nice senior body or more likely another talented kid, but talent is not our issue at the moment, it runs deeper than that.

Maybe, or you turn 19 and 20 into a decent player via a trade.

Point is, Rance was a priority pick and i don't think a single richmond fan felt any worst on GF day last year because of it.

Blues have a lot of kids, but a lot of unknowns with that
You would only bank on Cripps and Curnow as the under 24s who will play long careers as good players or better
Rest are kids and could go either way.

If you hold 1, 19 and 20 - look to an SA club for a couple of players and pick.
Hombsch & Polec from Port + their 1st rounder as an example
Gun key defender and HBF/Winger.

 

[PP34]

This is spot on. The players are confused. There's something at play here that hasn't been disclosed. A communication breakdown perhaps, or interference.

Think it’s pretty obvious really. Club has done some rubbish things so far in this rebuild but more really good things.

I’ve been fairly pessimistic about how we’re going but also think this season has to be written off and forgotten about.

We’ve basically had Cripps and Simpson as the only consistent leaders all year. Docherty not there, Murphy out a long time.

Then we’ve had the second most games missed via injury so injuries are absolutely killing us. That’s the biggest reason why they look so confused in my opinion. Not easy to play any sport when you’re playing with heaps of different players all year. Particularly in footy where you really need 18 players in sync to succeed. Our rubbish depth has only compounded the problem.

 

[citizen-erased]

Did Bolton really defend their opening q today?

What else would you expect? as a supporter, AFL fan, journo

Blues are being smashed and have done most the year.
All he has is to look for positives. This is a team that is starting out fresher than GWS and GCS in their infancy.

Im not even sure what there is to gain from a Blues presser with Bolton at the moment.

 

[SickQwon]

Think it’s pretty obvious really. Club has done some rubbish things so far in this rebuild but more really good things.

I’ve been fairly pessimistic about how we’re going but also think this season has to be written off and forgotten about.

We’ve basically had Cripps and Simpson as the only consistent leaders all year. Docherty not there, Murphy out a long time.

Then we’ve had the second most games missed via injury so injuries are absolutely killing us. That’s the biggest reason why they look so confused in my opinion. Not easy to play any sport when you’re playing with heaps of different players all year. Particularly in footy where you really need 18 players in sync to succeed. Our rubbish depth has only compounded the problem.

Total players that have played every game for each club (As of round 16)

Adelaide - 5
Brisbane - 9
Carlton - 4
Colllingwood - 7
Fremantle - 4
GC - 8
Geelong - 8
GWS - 8
Hawthorn - 8
Melbourne - 10
North Melbourne - 12
Port Adelaide - 10
Rich - 6
St Kilda - 4
Sydney - 10
Western Bulldogs - 4
WCE - 7

It's really difficult to see how any team is suppose to build consistency if only four players can stay on the park.

 

[PP34]

Agree they didn't, but they made the most of it.

Tougher call. And i don't think a club has ever done it.
I think you'd be fine if you lost Cripps but added the quantity of depth you need, particularly in the middle.
Say you lost Cripps, but the return was 3x 23-25yo mids who would get you another ~200 games of AFL football, the tide turns faster in my mind.
You could do it with Pick 1, but i think you'll find less is given in return.

If it was a decision between Cripps and Curnow, i'd say you keep Curnow first.
Cripps is better now, but Curnow is a harder type of talent to find.

A hypothetical as its highly unlikely to occur unless Cripps asks to be traded.

Peak BigFooty here. Trade the bloke with the potential to be one of the best in the league (if he isn’t already).

Laughable suggestion. Should the Hawks have traded away Hodge while they continued to suck in 2004?

 

[Fastback]

Total players that have played every game for each club (As of round 16)

Adelaide - 5
Brisbane - 9
Carlton - 4
Colllingwood - 7
Fremantle - 4
GC - 8
Geelong - 8
GWS - 8
Hawthorn - 8
Melbourne - 10
North Melbourne - 12
Port Adelaide - 10
Rich - 6
St Kilda - 4
Sydney - 10
Western Bulldogs - 4
WCE - 7

It's really difficult to see how any team is suppose to build consistency if only four players can stay on the park.

Is this due to injuries only or injuries/form?

 

[SickQwon]

Is this due to injuries only or injuries/form?

Both. Or for whatever reason a player didn't play (suspensions, management ect.)

 

[TooBlue14]

?
I didn't mention 18yo. I said fill the gaps, which at the moment is solid B grade/mid-aged players.


Confidence is fine from a supporter group, but from the people in charge i wonder if the idea has even been explored.
Its no certainty to work. But its similar to what Melbourne did.

The Melbourne rebuild cost them 2 of their best.
Scully & Frawley netted them Brayshaw and Hogan (Plus Dawes and Barry).
They gave up Billings for Salem, Tyson and Hunt.

Now Carlton don't need picks so much as they need players
You would think a club mad for giving up Pick 1 & Cripps, but if you could bring in 5-6 200+ gamers of the quality of Brayshaw, Hogan, Salem, Hunt and Tyson...

You get them, you target a couple of older, experienced hands (Vince/Lewis types), then you find the best 22 players you want (Melksham, Hibberd, Lever), and less is left on the shoulders of kids to succeed. Those kids then have to fight it out at VFL level.

We’ve already done that. Henderson, Gibbs, Tuohy, all left and we were rewarded with a combined 4 first rounders and turned it into 7 best 22 (right now). We aren’t cutting any deeper. It’s about playing together now.

Obrien
Marchbank
McKay
Curnow
Plowman
Pickett
Kennedy
Phillips

All came from those three trades.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Is this due to injuries only or injuries/form?

The only player in my best 22 that has been dropped for form is probably Weitering, although he was officially out with an injury and then came back through the VFL. I'd count it as he deserved to get dropped at the time anyway. The rest have pretty much been injury.

 

[TooBlue14]

Think it’s pretty obvious really. Club has done some rubbish things so far in this rebuild but more really good things.

I’ve been fairly pessimistic about how we’re going but also think this season has to be written off and forgotten about.

We’ve basically had Cripps and Simpson as the only consistent leaders all year. Docherty not there, Murphy out a long time.

Then we’ve had the second most games missed via injury so injuries are absolutely killing us. That’s the biggest reason why they look so confused in my opinion. Not easy to play any sport when you’re playing with heaps of different players all year. Particularly in footy where you really need 18 players in sync to succeed. Our rubbish depth has only compounded the problem.

It’ll pay us back as these players getting exposed form depth. Look at Collingwood now. They’ve exposed a lot of depth over the last 2-3 years with their injury toll. Now look at them. When the luck goes our way and we can keep our best 22 on the park all year things might start to look up.

I’m not using injuries as an excuse as I thought we’d be bottom 4 anyway. But I reckon we’d be doing far better with our best side out there. We currently have 17 players out injured. Plus two more in vfl and question marks on Pickett, Casboult and Simpson. They’re are all now going into a 6 day break, travelling and with 2 down on the bench since 1/2 time and most staying out on the ground we will lose badly to GC too this week.

PP Is coming if not then no one deserves one ever. But realistically we’d be doing better without the injuries. We could be in a position to request assistance this week from the afl as we may not have the players to field 22. We definitely wont be able to name 4 emergencies. Thank **** our vfl team got a win v Werribee and we get Frankston and Coburg the next two coz we wont have any afl listed players playing.

 

[HirdyLannister]

Obrien - not afl standard
Marchbank - 200 gamer plus
McKay - not afl standard
Curnow - 200 gamer plus
Plowman - average C grader
Pickett - GWS reject
Kennedy - stong lad but doesn't football well - SPUD
Phillips - average player

I think Carlton and opposition supporters differ on opinions with the list.

 

[outabounds]

I don't know what some people are thinking that teams will give up to get the Number 1 pick but I can guarantee it won't be much. Talk of trading Number 1 and Cripps is just rubbish. I will be physically sick if we trade number 1 for a couple of middle of the road journeymen who won't be around 3 years later.

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[Ron The Bear]

I’ve been fairly pessimistic about how we’re going but also think this season has to be written off and forgotten about.

Clearly the club thinks so too, there's been no suggestion that Bolton's position is in jeopardy.

 

[Ron The Bear]

I don't know what some people are thinking that teams will give up to get the Number 1 pick but I can guarantee it won't be much. Talk of trading Number 1 and Cripps is just rubbish. I will be physically sick if we trade number 1 for a couple of middle of the road journeymen who won't be around 3 years later.

You'd only consider it if those players wanted out. Cripps is Carlton through and through.

 

[bumsonseats]

I don't know what some people are thinking that teams will give up to get the Number 1 pick but I can guarantee it won't be much. Talk of trading Number 1 and Cripps is just rubbish. I will be physically sick if we trade number 1 for a couple of middle of the road journeymen who won't be around 3 years later.

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I would want pick 5 (or as close to) plus a decent 25 year old for first round pick.
Maybe Adam Cera and Freo first round pick for the number 1 pick. maybe a 3rd rounder back to Freo.

It would have to be a pretty good deal

 

[outabounds]

Ive supported Carlton for over 50 years and the last 18 have been bad but at least for most of that there was hope. That hope is disappearing very quickly and with it goes a generation of supporters that will damage the club for the next 50 years. Every position in the club should be up for review. It's just not good enough.

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[outabounds]

I would want pick 5 (or as close to) plus a decent 25 year old for first round pick.
Maybe Adam Cera and Freo first round pick for the number 1 pick. maybe a 3rd rounder back to Freo.

It would have to be a pretty good deal

Why would they do something like that? I don't see anyone giving up anything like that sort of value.

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[citizen-erased]

We’ve already done that. Henderson, Gibbs, Tuohy, all left and we were rewarded with a combined 4 first rounders and turned it into 7 best 22 (right now). We aren’t cutting any deeper. It’s about playing together now.

Obrien
Marchbank
McKay
Curnow
Plowman
Pickett
Kennedy
Phillips

All came from those three trades.

Its about doing it better
Esp if you went down the cripps path, because that has the potential to backfire spectacularly

You'd want 2-3 confirmed AFL standard players.
On that list, i would only put money on one (Curnow) performing in a way that improves the position you are in now. And that's only because i've seen it.

If you could get 3 players of Docherty's standard, for example, trading Cripps might be better for Carlton.

 

[SickQwon]

Its about doing it better
Esp if you went down the cripps path, because that has the potential to backfire spectacularly

You'd want 2-3 confirmed AFL standard players.
On that list, i would only put money on one (Curnow) performing in a way that improves the position you are in now. And that's only because i've seen it.

If you could get 3 players of Docherty's standard, for example, trading Cripps might be better for Carlton.

Cripps is a jet but he's not worth 3 All-Australian standard players.

 

[bumsonseats]

I dont get the doom and gloom surrounding where Carlton are at.
They will win 5 or 6 games next year.

They have some very good prospects on their list that project as A grade or very good:

Cripps - goes without saying
C. Curnow - looks like a superstar in the making.
L. O'Brien - looks very capable
P. Dow - also looks very capable
Weitering - he will be pretty solid once they get their act together
H. McKay - got a bit of something and will get better with more experience. Great foil for Curnow
Z. Fisher - very exciting prospect. Would take him at my club tomorrow. Got a bit of spunk about him.
Marchbank - can play a role
Docherty - has been a big loss for them
Plowman - looks ok.
SPS - bit of X factor.

There is the nucleus of a decent side there.
Just need to build their midfield - the addition of a mature ager or young gun would certainly help that.

They are on the right track.
But if they are in a similar position this time next year, then Bolton's job might well be in jeopardy.
But if they can win 5 or 6, then stay the course.

 

[bumsonseats]

Why would they do something like that? I don't see anyone giving up anything like that sort of value.

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I am suggesting that is the sort of deal you Carlton will want if they give up the first round pick.
A decent player (mid) and a top 10 (preferably top 5 or 6) pick so you can grab the best avail mid in the top half a doz picks

 

[citizen-erased]

I dont get the doom and gloom surrounding where Carlton are at.
They will win 5 or 6 games next year.

They have some very good prospects on their list that project as A grade or very good:

Cripps - goes without saying
C. Curnow - looks like a superstar in the making.
L. O'Brien - looks very capable
P. Dow - also looks very capable
Weitering - he will be pretty solid once they get their act together
H. McKay - got a bit of something and will get better with more experience. Great foil for Curnow
Z. Fisher - very exciting prospect. Would take him at my club tomorrow. Got a bit of spunk about him.
Marchbank - can play a role
Docherty - has been a big loss for them
Plowman - looks ok.
SPS - bit of X factor.

There is the nucleus of a decent side there.
Just need to build their midfield - the addition of a mature ager or young gun would certainly help that.

They are on the right track.
But if they are in a similar position this time next year, then Bolton's job might well be in jeopardy.
But if they can win 5 or 6, then stay the course.

Its the risk that most of the list are either unknown quantities, or known to be off the mark to make finals.

Cripps - goes without saying Agree
C. Curnow - looks like a superstar in the making. Disagree. He's a superstar now.
L. O'Brien - looks very capable Unproven kid
P. Dow - also looks very capable Unproven kid
Weitering - he will be pretty solid once they get their act together Regressed kid who looks shaky.
H. McKay - got a bit of something and will get better with more experience. Great foil for Curnow Unproven kid
Z. Fisher - very exciting prospect. Would take him at my club tomorrow. Got a bit of spunk about him. Agree. Looks quality.
Marchbank - can play a role Role players are fine in KPD positions.
Docherty - has been a big loss for them Agree
Plowman - looks ok. Disagree. I'd be surprised if he was on a list if not for the expansion sides and dilution of talent.
SPS - bit of X factor. Unproven kid.

It is feeling like Melbourne pre-Roos/PJ resurgence.