Unsolved The Beaumont Children

[Lyn]

It appears they have, and I'm really keen to understand how this works. We recently heard NSW police state they don't want to use resources on Wanda Beach when they could work on 'solvable' cases instead.

Entirely the wrong attitude, IMHO.

Do state police departments get to choose what they do and don't work on? I appreciate they have finite resources, which is why I'm an advocate of a third party for cold cases, a national body with funding to keep these cases alive when local LE have lost the trail.

Do any such third parties exist for investigating cold cases on a national level? Does anyone know? Id be more than happy if my tax dollars funded this.

In regards to SAPOL, I was told first hand that there is a whole department of the police officers that work solely on SA cold cases. Given the number of cold cases in SA, they may be stretched.
I do not believe they employ third parties

 

[Lyn]

I understand your logic, but it has some flaws. If the police don’t have enough funding, how could the government afford to then fund an entirely new third party service?

It would need to be privately run but potentially government backed by allowing access to case files etc

That IMO is where the problem lies. Police control the release of information on any case, current or cold.
I am sure more cold cases would be solved, if more facts were released. This could either prompt a persons memory, or excuse a potential person

 

[InstinctivelyAlert]

That IMO is where the problem lies. Police control the release of information on any case, current or cold.
I am sure more cold cases would be solved, if more facts were released. This could either prompt a persons memory, or excuse a potential person

I think it’s a tricky tightrope to walk - on the one hand, more public information may shake some things loose in peoples memories. On the other, there’s opportunistic people who will throw themselves in at any point.

 

[GreyCrow]

I think it’s a tricky tightrope to walk - on the one hand, more public information may shake some things loose in peoples memories. On the other, there’s opportunistic people who will throw themselves in at any point.

Listening to a podcast on the Black Dahlia/Zodiac connection - Killer in the Code - and the opening is a comment by Mitzi Roberts - LA Detective running the Cold Case unit - who says even now 80 years after the Black Dahlia murder gets weekly calls from people who say they have solved it.

While there is some hyperbole - her comment was around spending more time chasing up dead leads than actually working on the case as presented in her files

Mostly well meaning people but ultimately '' my dad fits the profile and image 100% '' is not the right way to go about it.

Giving more info - I think - can lead to more of these - so I think a balance is needed

Unfortunately as we all know the truth is sometimes buried inside those tip line calls so its difficult to say no

 

[Lyn]

I think it’s a tricky tightrope to walk - on the one hand, more public information may shake some things loose in peoples memories. On the other, there’s opportunistic people who will throw themselves in at any point.

Agree it is tricky. There is at least one piece of information that SAPOL haven't divulged [apparently they falsely released certain information, of a witness description] The true description may help someone identify the abductor.

 

[Lyn]

Listening to a podcast on the Black Dahlia/Zodiac connection - Killer in the Code - and the opening is a comment by Mitzi Roberts - LA Detective running the Cold Case unit - who says even now 80 years after the Black Dahlia murder gets weekly calls from people who say they have solved it.

While there is some hyperbole - her comment was around spending more time chasing up dead leads than actually working on the case as presented in her files

Mostly well meaning people but ultimately '' my dad fits the profile and image 100% '' is not the right way to go about it.

Giving more info - I think - can lead to more of these - so I think a balance is needed

Unfortunately as we all know the truth is sometimes buried inside those tip line calls so its difficult to say no

I was told that SAPOL still have on average, four reports a week on the Beaumont Children.

 

[Lyn]

Much more interesting when it was S&M.

???

 

[Lyn]

The case is stale, has been for a long time.

An inquest may flush out some new information, its worth a shot as what SAPOL have done prior hasnt achieved anything, despite the numerous searches and $1 million reward.

An inquest into a cold case can achieve the following:

• Establish Key Details: Determine the cause, manner, and circumstances of a death, particularly when initial investigations failed to do so.
• Formally Confirm Death: In cases of missing persons, a coroner can officially find that a person is deceased, enabling families to obtain a death certificate, even if no body has been found.
• Uncover New Information/Evidence: By allowing for the re-examination of witnesses and documentation, an inquest can reveal previously overlooked evidence.
• Identify Systemic Issues: The coroner can examine broader issues, such as problems in public health, safety, or the administration of justice, and make recommendations to prevent similar future incidents.
• Refer Matters for Prosecution: While a coroner cannot determine guilt, they can refer a case to the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) if they find evidence that a known person committed an indictable offence.
• Provide Closure for Families: The process can provide answers to families, offering a sense of closure, or at least a clearer understanding of what happened.
• Trigger Further Investigations: A coroner’s findings can be used to justify re-opening a police investigation if the initial case appears against the weight of evidence.

 

[Lyn]

I'd love to read through the last 60 years of statements and evidence.
It should all be digitalised and collated.
Just imagine how many boxes of evidence there is. I bet most of it has never been revisited

 

[Lyn]

Always thought whoever was responsible knew the family and seems that was the case. This definitely wasn’t a stranger abduction.

What are your reasons for thinking this?

 

[Lyn]

I don't mind it either

I just think if you are on a pursuit for truth then printing the truth should be your 1st priority

Not clickbait

Absolutely agree. Sensationalism, public get sucked in

 

[Lyn]

Who is Paulson? Any relation to Hans?

Not many people would know who he is

 

[Lyn]

“His name was Robert Paulson.”

Could you elaborate more please. Who is Robert Paulson?

 

[Lyn]

If Bryza could stick to posting factual information, and spend less time making threats to people and their families, people would have a far less negative take away of him. As it stands, put him in the same boat as Cossie.

Interesting. Have there been many people threatened/hassled, by Bryan? Especially those who don't align with his theories?

 

[Inspector Small]

Agree it is tricky. There is at least one piece of information that SAPOL haven't divulged [apparently they falsely released certain information, of a witness description] The true description may help someone identify the abductor.

I think after 60 years you can be pretty sure there tactics aren’t working.

 

[InstinctivelyAlert]

Could you elaborate more please. Who is Robert Paulson?

It was a joke, a reference to Fight Club.

 

[craffles]

That IMO is where the problem lies. Police control the release of information on any case, current or cold.
I am sure more cold cases would be solved, if more facts were released. This could either prompt a persons memory, or excuse a potential person

Interesting point, would need regulation but broadly speaking makes sense.

 

[Hondo]

Interesting. Have there been many people threatened/hassled, by Bryan? Especially those who don't align with his theories?

Until recently I found his FB page reasonably tolerant to other points of view to his theories or challenging him.
Moreso than I get the impression on other similar pages.
Unfortunately I seem to have finally been blocked there. Hopefully at some stage I get let back on
And I never got threatened by him.

 

[Inspector Small]

Interesting point, would need regulation but broadly speaking makes sense.

The police don’t actually want other people solving the case.

They want ownership and feel threatened by others.

 

[Hondo]

Agree it is tricky. There is at least one piece of information that SAPOL haven't divulged [apparently they falsely released certain information, of a witness description] The true description may help someone identify the abductor.

IMO it’s too late to be thinking memories from 60 years ago are going to be reliable or that people that thought they saw the children have not by now come forward.
We don’t remember random people like that even just hours later.
You’d have to have interacted with or knew the kids to remember who they were with and I think those witnesses have long since come forward.
And those that did come forward would have to recall 60 year old memories to identify a photo or new drawing and that is so fraught you’d end up with false memories and unintentionally false claims and get nowhere.
Bryan alluded to something along the lines of what you propose here or said the identikit is a composite of at least two sightings of different men with the kids.
Wouldn’t it be great if someone was going through old slides or photos and happen to find an image from the day.
I have said before I feel this only gets solved by someone with enough knowledge to get the $1m reward and locate the bodies.

 

[DeliveryProblems]

IMO it’s too late to be thinking memories from 60 years ago are going to be reliable or that people that thought they saw the children have not by now come forward.
We don’t remember random people like that even just hours later.
You’d have to have interacted with or knew the kids to remember who they were with and I think those witnesses have long since come forward.
And those that did come forward would have to recall 60 year old memories to identify a photo or new drawing and that is so fraught you’d end up with false memories and unintentionally false claims and get nowhere.
Bryan alluded to something along the lines of what you propose here or said the identikit is a composite of at least two sightings of different men with the kids.
Wouldn’t it be great if someone was going through old slides or photos and happen to find an image from the day.
I have said before I feel this only gets solved by someone with enough knowledge to get the $1m reward and locate the bodies.

Lol there is no identikit and there is no $1m reward.

 

[BonzaRam]

Lol there is no identikit and there is no $1m reward.

You might want to check again... A 1 Mil reward was placed on 13 cold cases over 10 years ago.

https://crimestopperssa.com.au/media-releases/the-mystery-disappearance-of-the-beaumont-children/

"On Australia Day, Wednesday 26 January 1966, the three Beaumont children – Jane (aged 9), Arnna (aged 7) and Grant (aged 4) – left their home at Harding Street, Somerton Park to go the beach at Glenelg.


Confirmed sightings of the three children were at Colley Reserve, Glenelg and Wenzels Cake shop in Mosley Street, Glenelg.


They have not been seen or heard of since despite extensive and ongoing investigations into their disappearance.


Police suspect the children have been abducted and murdered.


A reward of up to $1m is on offer to anyone who provides information that leads to the conviction in the case and/or the recovery of their remains."

 

[DeliveryProblems]

You might want to check again... A 1 Mil reward was placed on 13 cold cases over 10 years ago.

https://crimestopperssa.com.au/media-releases/the-mystery-disappearance-of-the-beaumont-children/

"On Australia Day, Wednesday 26 January 1966, the three Beaumont children – Jane (aged 9), Arnna (aged 7) and Grant (aged 4) – left their home at Harding Street, Somerton Park to go the beach at Glenelg.


Confirmed sightings of the three children were at Colley Reserve, Glenelg and Wenzels Cake shop in Mosley Street, Glenelg.


They have not been seen or heard of since despite extensive and ongoing investigations into their disappearance.


Police suspect the children have been abducted and murdered.


A reward of up to $1m is on offer to anyone who provides information that leads to the conviction in the case and/or the recovery of their remains."

Lol nobody has ever collected a $1m reward. Nobody. There is no money.

 

[GreyCrow]

Lol nobody has ever collected a $1m reward. Nobody. There is no money.

Thats not what you said though

You said there was no $1m reward

 

[InstinctivelyAlert]

Lol nobody has ever collected a $1m reward. Nobody. There is no money.

Notice how the crime remains unsolved and the remains haven’t been found? Why would the $1m have been paid?