Opinion The 'Carlton related stuff that doesn't need it's own thread' thread Part 2

[JustaBattler]

Sam McClure on FC adamant that the CFC coaching group will look vastly different in 2022, which may or may not include the senior coach.

what is FC?

 

[SammaGilberto]

what is FC?

Footy Classified on Channel 9

 

[norway blue]

what is FC?

Barcelona .


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[JustaBattler]

Barcelona .


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Haven't watched a game of soccer of any sort in 30 years - and never will - just an awful awful game. Sorry

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

For those that didn’t see it, the Fox article below contains the footage.

‘This is unforgivable’: ‘Staggering’ vision exposes true extent of Carlton’s defensive issues

‘This is unforgivable’: ‘Staggering’ vision exposes true extent of ‘dumb’ Blues’ big flaw

www.foxsports.com.au

That's really disappointing. So many instances of our leaders just not doing the team thing and not working hard enough.

The Doc one was damning but the Jones one was far worse. Zero awareness and he was just jogging in no man's land. He was never in any position to affect the play and wasn't on anybody. That one baffles me. I know Lipinski isn't his opponent and maybe a teammate was on Jones' opponent but you should be directing and moving faster to the area. You're the one not on anyone at the time. Asess!

 

[norway blue]

Haven't watched a game of soccer of any sort in 30 years - and never will - just an awful awful game. Sorry

Well that was my pun . I’m glad I failed .


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[OnceWeWereKings]

That's really disappointing. So many instances of our leaders just not doing the team thing and not working hard enough.

The Doc one was damning but the Jones one was far worse. Zero awareness and he was just jogging in no man's land. He was never in any position to affect the play and wasn't on anybody. That one baffles me. I know Lipinski isn't his opponent and maybe a teammate was on Jones' opponent but you should be directing and moving faster to the area. You're the one not on anyone at the time. Asess!

It’s under 13s stuff really.
I’d stand on the boundary watching my son neither at the existing contest or in a position to be at the next. Basically in no mans land, just like Jones.
He just didn’t get it.
After spending the year talking to him about field positioning the penny finally dropped. Turned himself from a team fringe player into a good little footballer.
These blokes are professional footy players, it shouldn’t consistently happen.
For it to be a continuing issue really outlines they are not being held accountable at game day, at training, or at the selection table.
To improve, that’s going to need to change.

 

[myblueroan]

It was very interesting watching, On the couch, the footage they showed of Liam Jones was pretty bad, I have been quite critical of Teague and assistant coaches, but seeing that particular vision, I don’t think that’s a directive by the coaching staff, I know it’s one piece of vision but it seems like a regular occurrence with Jones.

The vision of Doc was disappointing too.

But really pleased they showed it. They said simple fix. Show it to the boys. Show it to the coaches. They'll all be embarrassed. Might do some good.

 

[sosos]

Who was meant to be marking Lipinski? A medium tall, so shouldn't that be Plowman's man, not Jones?

 

[myblueroan]

Who was meant to be marking Lipinski? A medium tall, so shouldn't that be Plowman's man, not Jones?

He'd be a bit heavy to catch.

 

[Coops93]

Sam McClure on FC adamant that the CFC coaching group will look vastly different in 2022, which may or may not include the senior coach.

The assistants should've been cleaned out when Teague took over, but he was straddled with the same lot as Bolton.

Was our soft-cap getting tight? Did some of the redevelopment getting tied up in that? Maybe we couldn't afford to turn over that many guys on the coaching panel.

 

[Coops93]

There's been only one game I can clearly remember Teague having clearly set someone up structurally to dominate, and that was Jones against GC. He sat Doch off the back of a throw in stoppage about 20m slightly corridor side, and Jones 50-60m downfield; seeing as the ball went long after they won and they won the clearances, Jones dominated.

During the half of year Teague coached in 2019, he showed pretty clearly an ability to tinker when a game was against us. He'd play around with stoppages; he'd manipulate matchups behind the ball; he'd put Ed on a key mover and we'd respond as a team.

It is such a shame that having become head coach he's relaxed into the standard 'We'll back our structures' style of coaching.

Or his adjustments have been figured out. He rattled off a handful of things they tried against the dogs and conceded none of them worked.

Perhaps the changes weren't as creative as we thought back then.

 

[sparkyblue]

The footage from On The Couch re: defensive structures and positioning of both Docherty and Jones is damning but I don't think it's a case of players switching off or being in the wrong spot as per their analysis. This is actually deliberate, and the tactical setup Teague & Co wants with the likes of Jones taking intercept marks and launching counterattacks on the turnover. We are simply trying to defend with an extra man higher upfield and we do this every game. If you take this approach from a centre bounce with the 6:6:6 there is no spare man if your back pocket runs up to half back....you've just left someone wide open behind you!

It's fine when it works as it did against Freo, but the Port Adelaide game was arguably the worst example where we were picked apart by balls over the top from the outset. The Dogs just took two and a half quarters to work it out.

This is a perfect example of how amateur our tactical coaching is. Skilled, smart teams will continue to beat us while we're playing this way.

 

[Arr0w]

That vision is damning for Doc and Jones, all backmen actually, but this stems from Teague refusing to play the +1 in the backline, especially from midway through the 3rd qtr when we had control of the game

I admire that he wants to keep numbers in the forward arc, but pulling a player from that forward group, to hav a +1 at the stoppages, that player needs to be 10 metres at the back of stoppages to assist the back 6 as well

It is such a simple tweak, the refusal to change is probably more damning

 

[Blue_Fusion]

That's really disappointing. So many instances of our leaders just not doing the team thing and not working hard enough.

The Doc one was damning but the Jones one was far worse. Zero awareness and he was just jogging in no man's land. He was never in any position to affect the play and wasn't on anybody. That one baffles me. I know Lipinski isn't his opponent and maybe a teammate was on Jones' opponent but you should be directing and moving faster to the area. You're the one not on anyone at the time. Asess!

Get the feeling he has been directed to just trust his instinct ever since going to the backline years ago. Not sure if he was a defender in his junior years, but he doesn't look like a natural defender... those type of things are junior footy mistakes.

He sometimes has great instincts and looks a million bucks and at other times his instincts let him down and he looks like he's way out of his depth. That's all we will ever get from Jonesy.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

That vision is damning for Doc and Jones, all backmen actually, but this stems from Teague refusing to play the +1 in the backline, especially from midway through the 3rd qtr when we had control of the game

I admire that he wants to keep numbers in the forward arc, but pulling a player from that forward group, to hav a +1 at the stoppages, that player needs to be 10 metres at the back of stoppages to assist the back 6 as well

It is such a simple tweak, the refusal to change is probably more damning

Ahh stop. Seriously, Teague shouldn't have to tell Jones to turn his head or tell Doc where to run.

Sure having a +1 in the backline would help, I've suggested as much only a couple weeks ago... but not if that +1 is too busy ball watching or running to wrong spots like those two did.

These mistakes are purely on the players as Riewoldt said.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Who was meant to be marking Lipinski? A medium tall, so shouldn't that be Plowman's man, not Jones?

But where was Liam's opponent? Had Plow taken that player in the interim?

 

[Arr0w]

Ahh stop. Seriously, Teague shouldn't have to tell Jones to turn his head or tell Doc where to run.

Sure having a +1 in the backline would help, I've suggested as much only a couple weeks ago... but not if that +1 is too busy ball watching or running to wrong spots like those two did.

These mistakes are purely on the players as Riewoldt said.

No, actually I won't stop. It it's great that you highlighted a fraction of my post, when I clearly stated it was damning on players and coach

Great that you have mentioned it a couple of weeks ago, most others have been stating it for over a year

 

[F_therest]

Sam McClure on FC adamant that the CFC coaching group will look vastly different in 2022, which may or may not include the senior coach.

I reckon Teague will and should stay.

He needs better support from assistant coaches which seems to have been identified by the higher ups. IIRC we had plans to bring in Justin Longmuire before he got the Freo senior job.

 

[F_therest]

That's really disappointing. So many instances of our leaders just not doing the team thing and not working hard enough.

The Doc one was damning but the Jones one was far worse. Zero awareness and he was just jogging in no man's land. He was never in any position to affect the play and wasn't on anybody. That one baffles me. I know Lipinski isn't his opponent and maybe a teammate was on Jones' opponent but you should be directing and moving faster to the area. You're the one not on anyone at the time. Asess!

This is the reoccurring problem with Jones. In the actual contest his physical attributes are great and he's decent at spoiling/intercept marking.

But his footy IQ seems really, really poor and he just can't be trusted the way Weitering can.

Not 100% sure if some blame needs to go on the defensive coaches who should be reviewing these things with him, but often he seems to give his opponent too much space...Bruce kicked a bag on him. IMO should have been playing closer and back shoulder.

Then this footage is...yeah. No real explanation for why he'd be wandering up the ground covering a useless position while leaving a Dogs player free in their F50. It's mainly on Jones but surely one of the other defenders could have called him back as well?

 

[Blue_Fusion]

No, actually I won't stop. It it's great that you highlighted a fraction of my post, when I clearly stated it was damning on players and coach

You said it stems from Teague... absolute rubbish.

Great that you have mentioned it a couple of weeks ago, most others have been stating it for over a year

So what? You think I didn't agree? Go find a post.

I'm only saying I mentioned it a few weeks back in regards to sending Williams back there and having Doc as the +1... point is, it won't do much if he doesn't know where to run now will it?

 

[Gavstar]

This is the reoccurring problem with Jones. In the actual contest his physical attributes are great and he's decent at spoiling/intercept marking.

But his footy IQ seems really, really poor and he just can't be trusted the way Weitering can.

Not 100% sure if some blame needs to go on the defensive coaches who should be reviewing these things with him, but often he seems to give his opponent too much space...Bruce kicked a bag on him. IMO should have been playing closer and back shoulder.

Then this footage is...yeah. No real explanation for why he'd be wandering up the ground covering a useless position while leaving a Dogs player free in their F50. It's mainly on Jones but surely one of the other defenders could have called him back as well?

Jones was at one stage was just sublime with his punching, what has changed that he now has to try and mark everything?

Something has changed with our defensive strategy such that our team defence looks broken at times.

I think this footage was in the last few minutes when we were trying to win the game, no excuse but we needed to kick 3 goals and everyone was pushing up.

 

[Arr0w]

You said it stems from Teague... absolute rubbish.



So what? You think I didn't agree? Go find a post.

I'm only saying I mentioned it a few weeks back in regards to sending Williams back there and having Doc as the +1... point is, it won't do much if he doesn't know where to run now will it?

Go reread the post

 

[CaptainCharisma]

Bit frightening that we are paying 105% of the salary cap at the moment.

I thought Liddle said we would be having a crack in the trade period again? Looks like we may have a squeeze coming. Imagine if all our high draft picks had come on and were asking for significant pay rises.

Perhaps the Martin, McNuggets deals were heavily front-ended and I'm guessing Murph will be retiring at year end?

Not frightening, we had to use it after banking the extra money when we were only paying 95% of the cap.
You'd think we were smart enough to front end enough contracts through the 105% so we can have cash left over. I'd hope the majority of McGovern and Martin's contracts are paid now as it was reported they were front heavy at the time.

 

[Blue Pulse]

Jones was at one stage was just sublime with his punching, what has changed that he now has to try and mark everything?

Something has changed with our defensive strategy such that our team defence looks broken at times.

I think this footage was in the last few minutes when we were trying to win the game, no excuse but we needed to kick 3 goals and everyone was pushing up.

Our midfield pressure has died, each week you can watch how easily teams score against us and we work hard to hit the scoreboard. Our turnovers are still killing us and this will come with our all out attack policy which tires players and reduces their skill level.