Opinion The 'Carlton related stuff that doesn't need it's own thread' thread Part 2

[Rustica]

The one thing that worries me or kinda rears its head at times with us is.

What if we don’t ever make it, just, never good enough, what then? How much more patience can supporters have?

I hate not being taken seriously as a club even when we were 8-2.

Its only a doomsday scenario, and a question Id like to ask everyone. Because if this team does not play finals in the next 12-14 months. I don’t think they will make it with this current squad.

 

[BlueGum]

It might suck but it's not doomsday.

 

[mikeythemoocow]

I’ve been thinking about this for days. I actually thought the question was what does Carlton stand for? My initial thoughts had been we don’t really stand for anything much, we are just a nothing, a leaf in a stream. Just floating along with no control over anything that happens to us or around us.
By why does Carlton exist? The only reason I can see, and this has been true for the last 20 year, is to remind everyone that life isn’t fair. Some people will be born rich, some with natural abilities and they will probably have a better life than most without trying. The person at work that doesn’t really give a shit, puts in minimum effort cause that’s good enough to get paid. The person who doesn’t put in any effort in the group project, but shows off in the meeting around bosses and then gets the same amount of credit as everyone else who grafted. Then get promoted cause they have been part of multiple successful teams. The kid at school that parents bought a brand new car for their 18th birthday, when your working at Safeway saving for a Datsun 180B. The mate that promised to help you out when your desperate for a chop out, that always has an excuse for why they let you down. That’s Carlton, that’s why the club exists. To remind us that people like that are everywhere and that life isn’t fair, cause arseh*le will always get away with it.

 

[myblueroan]

Do you think Carlton are victims of something?
I don't get it.

 

[mikeythemoocow]

Do you think Carlton are victims of something?
I don't get it.

Carlton aren’t victims of anything other than their own apathy

 

[myblueroan]

Carlton aren’t victims of anything other than their own apathy

Right.
So what isn't fair?
Do you mean that our club loses for 20ish years?

 

[mikeythemoocow]

Right.
So whay isn't fair?
Do you mean that our club loses for 20ish years?

Life isn’t fair, and Carlton exists to remind us of that. Our weekly reminder not to hope.

 

[thylacine60]

Life isn’t fair, and Carlton exists to remind us of that. Our weekly reminder not to hope.

ball game?

 

[mikeythemoocow]

ball game?

This was in another thread, Brian Cook asked why does Carlton exist?
I’d been thinking about it all week. Until today the best I could come up with was that Carlton exists to give me a few hours a week distraction from real life

 

[thylacine60]

This was in another thread, Brian Cook asked why does Carlton exist?
I’d been thinking about it all week. Until today the best I could come up with was that Carlton exists to give me a few hours a week distraction from real life

Vastly different comment.

 

[mikeythemoocow]

Vastly different comment.

I guess I realised that the club provides more than just a distraction, and that within their microcosm, they provide fairly comprehensive representation of life

 

[Gethelred]

I’ve been thinking about this for days. I actually thought the question was what does Carlton stand for? My initial thoughts had been we don’t really stand for anything much, we are just a nothing, a leaf in a stream. Just floating along with no control over anything that happens to us or around us.
By why does Carlton exist? The only reason I can see, and this has been true for the last 20 year, is to remind everyone that life isn’t fair. Some people will be born rich, some with natural abilities and they will probably have a better life than most without trying. The person at work that doesn’t really give a s**t, puts in minimum effort cause that’s good enough to get paid. The person who doesn’t put in any effort in the group project, but shows off in the meeting around bosses and then gets the same amount of credit as everyone else who grafted. Then get promoted cause they have been part of multiple successful teams. The kid at school that parents bought a brand new car for their 18th birthday, when your working at Safeway saving for a Datsun 180B. The mate that promised to help you out when your desperate for a chop out, that always has an excuse for why they let you down. That’s Carlton, that’s why the club exists. To remind us that people like that are everywhere and that life isn’t fair, cause arseh*le will always get away with it.

 

[myblueroan]

'Neath the halo of a street lamp
I turned my collar to the cold and damp...

 

[JustaBattler]

I’ve been thinking about this for days. I actually thought the question was what does Carlton stand for? My initial thoughts had been we don’t really stand for anything much, we are just a nothing, a leaf in a stream. Just floating along with no control over anything that happens to us or around us.
By why does Carlton exist? The only reason I can see, and this has been true for the last 20 year, is to remind everyone that life isn’t fair. Some people will be born rich, some with natural abilities and they will probably have a better life than most without trying. The person at work that doesn’t really give a s**t, puts in minimum effort cause that’s good enough to get paid. The person who doesn’t put in any effort in the group project, but shows off in the meeting around bosses and then gets the same amount of credit as everyone else who grafted. Then get promoted cause they have been part of multiple successful teams. The kid at school that parents bought a brand new car for their 18th birthday, when your working at Safeway saving for a Datsun 180B. The mate that promised to help you out when your desperate for a chop out, that always has an excuse for why they let you down. That’s Carlton, that’s why the club exists. To remind us that people like that are everywhere and that life isn’t fair, cause arseh*le will always get away with it.

No football Club stands for anything more than entertainment for the audience and a pay cheque for those providing it.
As for the rest of your observations on life's unfairness - it all reads like envy tbh.
Words like 'fair' are just politics dressed up as faux morality to me.

Carlton hasn't got enough quality players to compete with teams with more quality players- that is where Carlton is at. The difference between having enough or not changes each week according to the opponent.

I have very low expectations of a third of the players that go out to play each week because I know that they cant match their opponents - not for lack of trying - they just cant physically and mentally match their opponents.

All you have to do to figure out which team is likely to win in any game is match the players from each team next to each other and see which team has a significant advantage - there was always a very low probability that Carlton was going to beat Brisbane yesterday with the team fielded.

Add a fit Hewett, Kennedy into he mix and the probability changes. Add a fit Williams probability skews again - probable outcomes are always in a state of flux.

 

[mikeythemoocow]

No football Club stands for anything more than entertainment for the audience and a pay cheque for those providing it.
As for the rest of your observations on life's unfairness - it all reads like envy tbh.
Words like 'fair' are just politics dressed up as faux morality to me.

Carlton hasn't got enough quality players to compete with teams with more quality players- that is where Carlton is at. The difference between having enough or not changes each week according to the opponent.

I have very low expectations of a third of the players that go out to play each week because I know that they cant match their opponents - not for lack of trying - they just cant physically and mentally match their opponents.

All you have to do to figure out which team is likely to win in any game is match the players from each team next to each other and see which team has a significant advantage - there was always a very low probability that Carlton was going to beat Brisbane yesterday with the team fielded.

Add a fit Hewett, Kennedy into he mix and the probability changes. Add a fit Williams probability skews again - probable outcomes are always in a state of flux.

I thought I was jaded. I feel sorry for you if that’s what sport has been reduced to.

My favourite sporting moment is Derrick Redmond at the 92 Olympics. Tore his hammy in the semi final of the 400m, but that wasn’t going to stop him from finishing, so he started to hop to the finish line. And then his Dad comes and puts his arm around him and they get to finish the race together. That’s what sport is.
It should be transcendent. It should stand for something to us dead souls inching along the freeways each morning, in our metal coffins. To show us that the human spirit is still alive.
That’s what I want.

You can say it’s envy, but I don’t know. Maybe I’m an idealist. I just know that sport can provide that, but the club isn’t giving us that right now.

 

[Bletch]

'Neath the halo of a street lamp
I turned my collar to the cold and damp...

But my words, like silent raindrops fell...

 

[JustaBattler]

I thought I was jaded. I feel sorry for you if that’s what sport has been reduced to.

My favourite sporting moment is Derrick Redmond at the 92 Olympics. Tore his hammy in the semi final of the 400m, but that wasn’t going to stop him from finishing, so he started to hop to the finish line. And then his Dad comes and puts his arm around him and they get to finish the race together. That’s what sport is.
It should be transcendent. It should stand for something to us dead souls inching along the freeways each morning, in our metal coffins. To show us that the human spirit is still alive.
That’s what I want.

You can say it’s envy, but I don’t know. Maybe I’m an idealist. I just know that sport can provide that, but the club isn’t giving us that right now.

Conversations like this are meaningful ( to me) and rare in places like this. So don't take what I say in response to your post as a personal criticism of your self. My attempt in the early morning was to cast a different perspective on the same scene if you like and I thank you for sharing your POV.

That said I agree with you that I have developed what some might say is a cynical perspective on football ( but others might say - just realistic)

As for sport whenever there is money involved - the transcendent aspects which you refer to as regard human endeavour in the face of fierce adversity is an accident and perhaps only seen when the stakes transcend the weekly grind and teams are playing for the right to say that in this year - we managed to win the most important games against equally motivated good sides - finals. I think those moments and do believe that they don't even hold true (really) in most grand finals even - are rare.

I find the light of greatness in simple things unencumbered by the noise of commercial imperatives - my deepest respect is always triggered when a scene points to the heroic nature of simple people doing simple but great things- like loving their children or the old, like being a nurse or a doctor who actually cares about the individual human despite their daily endeavour going unrecognised except for the grateful recipient. The people who I see taking care of severely disabled every day and treating them with ultimate respect - the unknown photographer whose photos capture a moment of reality of import and affect - lots of big heroes all over the place if we open our eyes and hearts to see - they live all around us and do their thing every day...

Teenage gifted athletes who live in a bubble and get paid more than a brain surgeon - literally - no they aren't heroes or worthy of much thought really. They certainly aren't role models or worthy of too much thought or reflection in my book anyway.

Carlton as an institution has a long history and a proud one I get that - but to me as a supporter of the tribe - it is just entertainment.

Edit : and truth be told I will be very happy for all fellow supporters when the tribe wins #17 - but the moment won't be world changing or hold any greater import than that moment of joy shared with fellow tribes people.

 

[mikeythemoocow]

Conversations like this are meaningful ( to me) and rare in places like this. So don't take what I say in response to your post as a personal criticism of your self. My attempt in the early morning was to cast a different perspective on the same scene if you like and I thank you for sharing your POV.

That said I agree with you that I have developed what some might say is a cynical perspective on football ( but others might say - just realistic)

As for sport whenever there is money involved - the transcendent aspects which you refer to as regard human endeavour in the face of fierce adversity is an accident and perhaps only seen when the stakes transcend the weekly grind and teams are playing for the right to say that in this year - we managed to win the most important games against equally motivated good sides - finals. I think those moments and do believe that they don't even hold true (really) in most grand finals even - are rare.

I find the light of greatness in simple things unencumbered by the noise of commercial imperatives - my deepest respect is always triggered when a scene points to the heroic nature of simple people doing simple but great things- like loving their children or the old, like being a nurse or a doctor who actually cares about the individual human despite their daily endeavour going unrecognised except for the grateful recipient. The people who I see taking care of severely disabled every day and treating them with ultimate respect - the unknown photographer whose photos capture a moment of reality of import and affect - lots of big heroes all over the place if we open our eyes and hearts to see - they live all around us and do their thing every day...

Teenage gifted athletes who live in a bubble and get paid more than a brain surgeon - literally - no they aren't heroes or worthy of much thought really. They certainly aren't role models or worthy of too much thought or reflection in my book anyway.

Carlton as an institution has a long history and a proud one I get that - but to me as a supporter of the tribe - it is just entertainment.

Edit : and truth be told I will be very happy for all fellow supporters when the tribe wins #17 - but the moment won't be world changing or hold any greater import than that moment of joy shared with fellow tribes people.

After reading your post, I couldn’t help but think of this
11 and 1

 

[El Topo]

We'd be locked in the 8 but for the second half against Stain Kilda. That's not an injury problem.

 

[Rustica]

We'd be locked in the 8 but for the second half against Stain Kilda. That's not an injury problem.

Should have won two of Collingwood, Richmond, St Kilda and Adelaide

All very disappointing loses

Tbh should have won all 4. But 2-2 from those games and we were all but guaranteed a home final at the least

 

[Bryce Bubbles]

The last sentence happened last week. We know what it takes to beat ourselvesso finals it is for the mighty Blues!

 

[agro]

AFL sent a please explain to Carlton and Michael Voss this morning for unauthorised use of the word “brave” to describe our players and with no attribution to * Football Club, $20,000 fine apparently.

 

[Stamos]

AFL sent a please explain to Carlton and Michael Voss this morning for unauthorised use of the word “brave” to describe our players and with no attribution to * Football Club, $20,000 fine apparently.

Fair enough too.
It was pretty poor.

 

[bigblueboy]

Cameron out. Watch Hawkins kick 12 this week.

 

[Gethelred]

Cameron out. Watch Hawkins kick 12 this week.

That's alright, Charlie'll kick 20 from the midfield.