Opinion The 'Carlton related stuff that doesn't need it's own thread' thread Part 2

[RPCB]

The Judd trade, Riewoldt's unknown influence: 'JK' reflects with Richo

Retired Eagle Josh Kennedy chats to Matthew Richardson about his amazing career, thanks to Hostplus

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Really good Josh Kennedy interview about all aspects of his career.

 

[Red Bull]

Any chance of the Blues landing a marquee game next season ?
We didn’t even have the season opener this year.
They’ve tried the minow clubs on Good Friday without much success.
Reckon Carlton would pack out Docklands Stadium even with say North as opponents …

 

[agro]

We don’t need marquee games - you’ll find our games are on average better attended without the need for “plonk induced Sheedy fabrications”.

 

[Stamos]

Any chance of the Blues landing a marquee game next season ?
We didn’t even have the season opener this year.
They’ve tried the minow clubs on Good Friday without much success.
Reckon Carlton would pack out Docklands Stadium even with say North as opponents …

Every Carlton game is a marquee game.

 

[Red Bull]

We don’t need marquee games - you’ll find our games are on average better attended without the need for “plonk induced Sheedy fabrications”.

Ask Collingwood Richmond or * to give up Anzac Day or Dreamtime and see what their reply is.
There’s obviously a big earn to be had in these “marquee” games …

 

[agro]

The highest home and away attendance this year was Carlton -v- Collingwood round 23.

And we feature just as many times in the top 20 attended games in season 2022 as Collingwood and Richmond.

Stamos is correct we make our own marquee games.

 

[carlton_99]

The highest home and away attendance this year was Carlton -v- Collingwood round 23.

And we feature just as many times in the top 20 attended games in season 2022 as Collingwood and Richmond.

Stamos is correct we make our own marquee games.

We also had the highest average attendance for home games (despite quite a few home Marvel games)

 

[Red Bull]

Carlton’s crowds/attendances have been great.
There is also little doubt these “marquee” games are very profitable.
A pretty bland Sunday afternoon game against North could be turned into a real money spinner on Good Friday at Docklands stadium.
We are the only big4 club without these games whilst even Melbourne and Geelong are in on the act.
Doubt this would go unnoticed for a top operator like Cook …

 

[Aphrodite]

Yes Stamos we make our own marquee games




2022 AFL Regular Season Attendance

Team	Games	Total	Average
Collingwood Magpies​	22​	1,084,585​	49,299​
Carlton Blues​	22​	1,010,543​	45,934​
Richmond Tigers​	22​	945,443​	42,975​
Essendon Bombers​	22​	877,013​	39,864​
Melbourne Demons​	22​	807,224​	36,692​
Fremantle Dockers​	22​	704,291​	32,013​
Sydney Swans​	22​	670,719​	30,487​
Geelong Cats​	22​	666,814​	30,310​
West Coast Eagles​	22​	665,218​	30,237​
Hawthorn Hawks​	22​	639,238​	29,056​
Adelaide Crows​	22​	622,010​	28,273​
Western Bulldogs​	22​	598,827​	27,219​
St Kilda Saints​	22​	594,754​	27,034​
Port Adelaide Power​	22​	585,509​	26,614​
Brisbane Lions​	22​	583,948​	26,543​
North Melbourne Kangaroos​	22​	466,103​	21,186​
GWS Giants​	22​	384,891​	17,495​
Gold Coast Suns​	22​	317,732​	14,442​
ALL​	198​	6,112,431​	30,871​

2022 AFL Regular Season Home Match Attendance

Team	Games	Total	Average
Carlton Blues​	11​	547,628​	49,784​
Collingwood Magpies​	11​	534,306​	48,573​
Richmond Tigers​	11​	511,331​	46,485​
Fremantle Dockers​	11​	445,056​	40,460​
Essendon Bombers​	11​	437,289​	39,754​
Melbourne Demons​	11​	431,394​	39,218​
West Coast Eagles​	11​	404,096​	36,736​
Adelaide Crows​	11​	345,719​	31,429​
Port Adelaide Power​	11​	326,627​	29,693​
Sydney Swans​	11​	323,664​	29,424​
Geelong Cats​	11​	295,622​	26,875​
Hawthorn Hawks​	11​	291,527​	26,502​
Brisbane Lions​	11​	284,000​	25,818​
St Kilda Saints​	11​	279,241​	25,386​
Western Bulldogs​	11​	271,205​	24,655​
North Melbourne Kangaroos​	11​	158,045​	14,368​
Gold Coast Suns​	11​	124,276​	11,298​
GWS Giants​	11​	101,405​	9,219​
ALL​	198​	6,112,431​	30,871​

2022 AFL Regular Season Away Match Attendance

Team Games Total Average Collingwood Magpies​ 11​ 550,279​ 50,025​ Carlton Blues​ 11​ 462,915​ 42,083​ Essendon Bombers​ 11​ 439,724​ 39,975​ Richmond Tigers​ 11​ 434,112​ 39,465​ Melbourne Demons​ 11​ 375,830​ 34,166​ Geelong Cats​ 11​ 371,192​ 33,745​ Hawthorn Hawks​ 11​ 347,711​ 31,610​ Sydney Swans​ 11​ 347,055​ 31,550​ Western Bulldogs​ 11​ 327,622​ 29,784​ St Kilda Saints​ 11​ 315,513​ 28,683​ North Melbourne Kangaroos​ 11​ 308,058​ 28,005​ Brisbane Lions​ 11​ 299,948​ 27,268​ GWS Giants​ 11​ 283,486​ 25,771​ Adelaide Crows​ 11​ 276,291​ 25,117​ West Coast Eagles​ 11​ 261,122​ 23,738​ Fremantle Dockers​ 11​ 259,235​ 23,567​ Port Adelaide Power​ 11​ 258,882​ 23,535​ Gold Coast Suns​ 11​ 193,456​ 17,587​ ALL​ 198​ 6,112,431​ 30,871​

 

[BigFrizz36]

Chris Judd looks to be a part owner of My Oberon the English import that just won the crystal mile at Moonee Valley.

 

[Gethelred]

I don't even get how Owies has become a whipping boy. Our leading forward for tackles (5th overall) and 3rd in the comp for tackles inside 50, while only having played 30 or so games too. What an odd take.

People undervalued Richmond's pressure forwards all through their flag years until they became impossible to ignore as contributers to team success.

 

[The Return of the Paf]

People undervalued Richmond's pressure forwards all through their flag years until they became impossible to ignore as contributers to team success.

Who were Richmond's "pressure forwards" you talk of? I'd hazzard a guess that they probably had more tricks than Owies does.

 

[Gethelred]

Who were Richmond's "pressure forwards" you talk of? I'd hazzard a guess that they probably had more tricks than Owies does.

Butler, Rioli, Castagna in 2017 were the ones I was thinking of. All three were whipped weekly by the fanbase, but the team kept bloody winning.

The specific thing they did - in addition to the well publicized tackling pressure - was they forced attacking HBF's to play accountably at a time when they were the most important offensive position on the ground. Doing this robbed their opponents of drive, forced them into methodical slow play and gave Richmond better matchups one on one in both pockets and on the flanks. You ignored these players because why the **** would you spend time on blokes who only average a little more than a goal a game and don't hurt you with their possession, only to have them rob you of your weapons and suddenly you're unable to move the ball with speed from back half.

 

[katmanblue]

Butler, Rioli, Castagna in 2017 were the ones I was thinking of. All three were whipped weekly by the fanbase, but the team kept bloody winning.

The specific thing they did - in addition to the well publicized tackling pressure - was they forced attacking HBF's to play accountably at a time when they were the most important offensive position on the ground. Doing this robbed their opponents of drive, forced them into methodical slow play and gave Richmond better matchups one on one in both pockets and on the flanks. You ignored these players because why the * would you spend time on blokes who only average a little more than a goal a game and don't hurt you with their possession, only to have them rob you of your weapons and suddenly you're unable to move the ball with speed from back half.

If our small forwards could average 4 goals a game between them, it would go a long way to doing the same for us. Ours just aren’t seen as a threat, yet.


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[BlueSuede]

If our small forwards could average 4 goals a game between them, it would go a long way to doing the same for us. Ours just aren’t seen as a threat, yet.


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I agree - both with the 'aren't seen as a threat', but also especially with the 'yet'. Owies, Durdin, Honey and Motlop also have an average of 19 games experience. Owies the most experienced of the lot with 31. While it is a current weak spot of the team, it is arguably the position where we have the most untapped upside.

 

[thylacine60]

^^^^
BANG

 

[RPCB]

^^^^
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[thylacine60]

this then

 

[The Return of the Paf]

Yeah, Brilliant, Thy, um... er... bang. I don't know enough about the others, admittedly, but I'd certainly have Riolli on our list over two players of Owie's calibre, maybe even three.

 

[thylacine60]

I agree - both with the 'aren't seen as a threat', but also especially with the 'yet'. Owies, Durdin, Honey and Motlop also have an average of 19 games experience. Owies the most experienced of the lot with 31. While it is a current weak spot of the team, it is arguably the position where we have the most untapped upside.

Yeah, Brilliant, Thy, um... er... bang. I don't know enough about the others, admittedly, but I'd certainly have Riolli on our list over two players of Owie's calibre, maybe even three.

I was commenting on the bolded aspect of the post.

 

[Earls Smother]

I agree - both with the 'aren't seen as a threat', but also especially with the 'yet'. Owies, Durdin, Honey and Motlop also have an average of 19 games experience. Owies the most experienced of the lot with 31. While it is a current weak spot of the team, it is arguably the position where we have the most untapped upside.

Whilst not disagreeing (and hoping you are right), Richmond's small forwards had immediate impact because they were very quick.

Going into 2017, Butler had played 0 games, Castagna 5 and Rioli 18.

Then in the 2019 premiership year, they added Baker (3 games prior to the season) and Bolton (9 games). Both those guys are also fast.

It is a position on the ground where players can come in and have an effect almost straight away - if they have the speed. Durdin looks very likely. Motlop has tricks which can compensate for not being of express pace. I think you need to be able to take a grab or be a deadeye shot for goal (preferably from distance) if you are to overcome leg-speed issues. That has to create doubt with some of ours.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Whilst not disagreeing (and hoping you are right), Richmond's small forwards had immediate impact because they were very quick.

Going into 2017, Butler had played 0 games, Castagna 5 and Rioli 18.

Then in the 2019 premiership year, they added Baker (3 games prior to the season) and Bolton (9 games). Both those guys are also fast.

It is a position on the ground where players can come in and have an effect almost straight away - if they have the speed. Durdin looks very likely. Motlop has tricks which can compensate for not being of express pace. I think you need to be able to take a grab or be a deadeye shot for goal (preferably from distance) if you are to overcome leg-speed issues. That has to create doubt with some of ours.

Butler and Castagna aren't overly quick.

Footy smarts maybe...

 

[Earls Smother]

Butler and Castagna aren't overly quick.

Footy smarts maybe...

Totally disagree.

Castagna doesn't have much else. If he was a good kick he could have won a Norm Smith in one of those flags (kicked 5 or 6 points).

Butler made a big difference in his first year at St. Kilda due to his speed. Lots of goals out the back.

The only one of their small forwards who wasn't quick and relied on smarts was Higgins.

 

[BlueSuede]

Whilst not disagreeing (and hoping you are right), Richmond's small forwards had immediate impact because they were very quick.

Going into 2017, Butler had played 0 games, Castagna 5 and Rioli 18.

Then in the 2019 premiership year, they added Baker (3 games prior to the season) and Bolton (9 games). Both those guys are also fast.

It is a position on the ground where players can come in and have an effect almost straight away - if they have the speed. Durdin looks very likely. Motlop has tricks which can compensate for not being of express pace. I think you need to be able to take a grab or be a deadeye shot for goal (preferably from distance) if you are to overcome leg-speed issues. That has to create doubt with some of ours.

Great points - can't disagree with much there.

I wonder, though, about the effect of coming into a team that is established and ready to contend. Small forwards seem like the cherry-on-top players that you add once the rest of your list is set. That's not to underestimate them at all. On the contrary, they can take you from being an 'almost' team to being a premiership team.

I'm hoping that this is where we're at. Could see Durdin and Motlop each kicking 25-30 goals for the season.

 

[katmanblue]

Great points - can't disagree with much there.

I wonder, though, about the effect of coming into a team that is established and ready to contend. Small forwards seem like the cherry-on-top players that you add once the rest of your list is set. That's not to underestimate them at all. On the contrary, they can take you from being an 'almost' team to being a premiership team.

I'm hoping that this is where we're at. Could see Durdin and Motlop each kicking 25-30 goals for the season.

I'd prefer Harry and Charlie to kick around 50-55 each and the rest of the forward line to be around 25-35 range each than say 65 for H and Charlie and 15-20 each for the rest.

Means either H or Charlie can go off at any time but the rest of the forward line is much more potent.

Also means we are less reliant on the two big guys.

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