Opinion The 'Carlton related stuff that doesn't need it's own thread' thread Part 2

[AlecDuncan]

Reviewing every behind would massively slow down the game.
Should just be reviewing the close ones.

They were talking about the bunker reviewing every goal/behind, but letting play go on. If the call was incorrect, the clock would be wound back and play called back. So, no delays other than for the incorrect calls.

 

[Stamos]

They were talking about the bunker reviewing every goal/behind, but letting play go on. If the call was incorrect, the clock would be wound back and play called back. So, no delays other than for the incorrect calls.

Would be a farce

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Big no for me. Imagine if a team went coast to coast on the kick in only to have it taken back. Or someone took mark of the year on the kick in that was bought back and didnt count. Would a report in this 15 seconds count or open slather because it's not actual game time?

We need a solution to the once in a blue moon stuff up (which sadly happened at the worst possible time) but we don't need to over react.

So it sounds like your more worried about the opposition kicking a goal or a MOTY on the back from the wrong decision instead of the correct being made…

If results go the way they should this week then the Crows would be finishing in 6th position and playing in a home final…

Besides the morality of the entire situation, it’s going to be a tragic ending to the year for a club which who knows just how far they could have gone during the finals series…

And i hate the Crows, we’re going to have to agree to disagree on this one…

 

[Just Kreuzing]

They might have to go back to waiting for the goal umpires to wave the flags….

 

[myblueroan]

Play goes on while it gets looked at, if the result is right then no problem if not the result gets corrected in this case it would have been corrected in 10/15 seconds…
Goal rewarded, time clock reset ball back to the centre…

All for ongoing reviews whilst play goes on FBB. Also all for massive AI upgrades over summer. Do everything that can be done.

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

They might have to go back to waiting for the goal umpires to wave the flags….

They should have a recess for the flags in the goal post padding, there was a goal not payed on the weekend because it hit the flags as it passed through the goals…

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

All for ongoing reviews whilst play goes on FBB. Also all for massive AI upgrades over summer. Do everything that can be done.

Like the tribunal system there’s always ways of evolving and improving things

 

[Just Kreuzing]

They should have a recess for the flags in the goal post padding, there was a goal not payed on the weekend because it hit the flags as it passed through the goals…

Flags need to be positioned on the behind side of the goal posts.

 

[sbwan]

So it sounds like your more worried about the opposition kicking a goal or a MOTY on the back from the wrong decision instead of the correct being made…

If results go the way they should this week then the Crows would be finishing in 6th position and playing in a home final…

Besides the morality of the entire situation, it’s going to be a tragic ending to the year for a club which who knows just how far they could have gone during the finals series…

And i hate the Crows, we’re going to have to agree to disagree on this one…

Why only review scores? Why not review every bit of play/umpiring decision? If we're focusing so much on every decision being correct.

It's really crap for the Crows. It was a mistake by a goal umpire. How many times have we seen a disastrously incorrect umpiring decision cost a team?

I'd hate to constantly be unsure if play is going to be brought back. I think that aspect of VAR in soccer sucks. One shocking failure of process shouldn't cause us to fundamentally change the game in the way you're suggesting.

 

[bigblueboy]

Guaranteed access & only applies to Captains Club & above categories.

It’s on the Club’s website.

Yes … ?

 

[Aphrodite]

Yes …?

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[SkyhorseTamer]

Why only review scores? Why not review every bit of play/umpiring decision? If we're focusing so much on every decision being correct.

It's really crap for the Crows. It was a mistake by a goal umpire. How many times have we seen a disastrously incorrect umpiring decision cost a team?

I'd hate to constantly be unsure if play is going to be brought back. I think that aspect of VAR in soccer sucks. One shocking failure of process shouldn't cause us to fundamentally change the game in the way you're suggesting.

VAR is a farce anyway. All those sensors etc are a bit overblown and talked up. Just look at the English keepers penalty save vs Spain.... Miles off the line but not called for a retake .

 

[katmanblue]

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[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Flags need to be positioned on the behind side of the goal posts.

Never ever thought of that, that’s different…

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Flags need to be positioned on the behind side of the goal posts.

Sorry i read that wrong i thought you meant the point posts, LoL
Well the flags weren’t placed properly up against the post, it was hanging out a bit and was hit by the ball going past, a recess would imo help take this problem away

 

[sbwan]

VAR is a farce anyway. All those sensors etc are a bit overblown and talked up. Just look at the English keepers penalty save vs Spain.... Miles off the line but not called for a retake .

Where I think it really is good is in determining if the ball has crossed the line. I otherwise think it has on balance made soccer worse probably. There's a lot to be said for how the introduction of uncertainty has taken some of the joy out of it.

 

[agro]

VAR is a farce anyway. All those sensors etc are a bit overblown and talked up. Just look at the English keepers penalty save vs Spain.... Miles off the line but not called for a retake .

And the ball tracking technology used in England in the recent Ashes Series for LBW decisions were highly suspect IMHO.

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Why only review scores? Why not review every bit of play/umpiring decision? If we're focusing so much on every decision being correct.

It's really crap for the Crows. It was a mistake by a goal umpire. How many times have we seen a disastrously incorrect umpiring decision cost a team?

I'd hate to constantly be unsure if play is going to be brought back. I think that aspect of VAR in soccer sucks. One shocking failure of process shouldn't cause us to fundamentally change the game in the way you're suggesting.

Just get the scores right that is within its technical power, like MyBluey stated the AFL need to get the best technology possible so it can process the right decisions so these ordinary incidents don’t happen…

It’s a bit of a Mickey Mouse show atm, the ARC and the AFL need to be in sinc by making sure every aspect within its power is provided in making the right decision thats available, put the funds in for the betterment of the game..

 

[BigFrizz36]

So it sounds like your more worried about the opposition kicking a goal or a MOTY on the back from the wrong decision instead of the correct being made…

If results go the way they should this week then the Crows would be finishing in 6th position and playing in a home final…

Besides the morality of the entire situation, it’s going to be a tragic ending to the year for a club which who knows just how far they could have gone during the finals series…

And i hate the Crows, we’re going to have to agree to disagree on this one…

I just don't think that it needs to be an over reaction involved. The system would have worked just fine except that the goal umpire didn't use it. Wouldn't imagine that there would be a goal umpire in the future who won't. Tell the field umpire to get more actively involved to query unless he is 100% sure as well. If its well handled by everyone involved we'll never have another example.

Wherever humans are involved human errors can occur. Netball final was decided recently by an umpire giving the wrong centre pass. NFL had deflategate where a team got the footballs deflated to suit their quarterback, test cricket recently handed the Poms a change over ball that was significantly better than the one it replaced.

On the other hand the womens world cup had a 6 minute wait period whilst they decided whether a penalty should be awarded and 13 minutes of extra time in the second half. That search for officiating perfection definitely didn't make it a better game by a long way.

 

[RPCB]

I guess this is as good a place to put this. Our deal with Marvel Stadium expires in October 2024. What are the chances we can make the MCG our full-time home ground in our next deal? I reckon the club should try to make that happen.

 

[Kruezing]

I guess this is as good a place to put this. Our deal with Marvel Stadium expires in October 2024. What are the chances we can make the MCG our full-time home ground in our next deal? I reckon the club should try to make that happen.

Absolutely

 

[I bleed Blue]

I just don't think that it needs to be an over reaction involved. The system would have worked just fine except that the goal umpire didn't use it. Wouldn't imagine that there would be a goal umpire in the future who won't. Tell the field umpire to get more actively involved to query unless he is 100% sure as well. If its well handled by everyone involved we'll never have another example.

Wherever humans are involved human errors can occur. Netball final was decided recently by an umpire giving the wrong centre pass. NFL had deflategate where a team got the footballs deflated to suit their quarterback, test cricket recently handed the Poms a change over ball that was significantly better than the one it replaced.

On the other hand the womens world cup had a 6 minute wait period whilst they decided whether a penalty should be awarded and 13 minutes of extra time in the second half. That search for officiating perfection definitely didn't make it a better game by a long way.

This.

It was just a very bad, and very costly human error.

Umpire made a mistake like all humans do.

Should have just been reviewed... even if he was 99% sure it hit the post.

Field umpire or boundry umpire should have stepped in if they even had even the slightest doubt.

 

[BigFrizz36]

This.

It was just a very bad, and very costly human error.

Umpire made a mistake like all humans do.

Should have just been reviewed... even if he was 99% sure it hit the post.

Field umpire or boundry umpire should have stepped in if they even had even the slightest doubt.

Would there have been the kerfuffle if it had have happened early in Q1? Probably not. Maybe all decisions in the last five minutes of Q4 get looked at?

 

[DangerousD]

Reviewing every behind would massively slow down the game.
Should just be reviewing the close ones.

Though Montagnas suggestion was really good, would work out to be quite a bit less time wasted throughout the game (stats show 4/5 are umps call) so there would be no time waiting for any review.

 

[DangerousD]

Big no for me. Imagine if a team went coast to coast on the kick in only to have it taken back. Or someone took mark of the year on the kick in that was bought back and didnt count. Would a report in this 15 seconds count or open slather because it's not actual game time?

We need a solution to the once in a blue moon stuff up (which sadly happened at the worst possible time) but we don't need to over react.

Coast to coast in 15 seconds and mark of the year on the kick in from a recalled score is the blue moon stuff you’re referring to. The number of overturned decisions for the ARC is 1 in 5, so maybe one overturned decision per game.