Opinion The 'Carlton related stuff that doesn't need it's own thread' thread Part 3

[katmanblue]

Who is Robert Priestly and how did he become Prez?
Just watched a longish mid season interview and nothing- absolutely nothing was said with a whole lot of words.
Nothing to inspire confidence.
Nothing that speaks to hope of real change.
Pats on the back for the 'off field' that's going 'really well' but an 'ongoing task to get onfield right' . Mmm. Whodathought.

What exactly do President's do? Are they paid? What is their purpose.

Why do we need change? Everything is going great. Right?

 

[TeeJay Blue]

It is totally humiliating to be saying this...

You look at the arch enemy.

They are pretty much the next dynasty team. Perfect in nearly every way.

• A winning culture. Don't know how to lose.
• Perfect delivery inside 50 almost every time.
• They all think and believe in unison. They see themselves as a sports team ahead of everything else.
• Always face adversities perfectly and never a bad story about them the last few years.
• Rarely an MRO sighting. Rarely a significant' long-term injury to a super important player (not that anybody hopes or should hope for this).
• And after every win, they sing the song with gusto. They never get tired of it. It's a drug.
• The coach not only speaks but demonstrates that synergy. He calls them a family.
• The players communicate off and on field.
• Players perform like they never age. Like they are yet to reach their peak.
• They are the perfect strategists. They can and have been complacent, but without the ego and not enough to throw games away.
• Everyone seems to LOVE them now. The media. The AFL always have. Their big money maker. Collingwood are how they spend on other clubs. They need no one else.

They have won a flag and are practically a shoe in to win another. They are nothing short of happy and determined. Doing it all for their supporters.

Meanwhile, on the other end...

We have us.

• A mere corporation. A mere company for profits and off field successes. Infected by billionaires, marketers and shareholders.
• A losing culture. The worst win-loss record of the 21st century. A "club" stained by 5 wooden spoons (2 clear of next worst), a history-making year of misery and breaking all the wrong records, salary cap sorts, third-player payments, tanking allegations, drugs and sexting scandals, wasted talent, etc.
• Where reputations come to ruin. Premiership winning coaches like Denis Pagan and Mick Malthouse. CEOs like Brian Cook. Champions like Chris Judd. Accomplished fitness gurus like Andrew Russell

No matter who walks in through those doors at Ikon Park... no matter how good your resume is... you WILL wither. Your legacy and past achievments will be tainted by a rotten culture and rotten environment. Nothing can be done to change that.

• Players not communicating on field. Burning teammates off (EVEN the captain doing that). No synergy. No connection. No unity.
• Players don't sing the song with energy and pride after a seldom win. They are only worried about the children in their arms. This isn't saying they shouldn't prioritise family. But don't do it at the expense of a potential second family at Carlton. The players merely see this as another job. Many are taking the money and running.
• A little more of a sensitive reason but one that is affecting us this year. Players left right and centre walking away for mental health reasons. We seem to be the only club at the moment with this problem. It is suss. And this is coming from someone who knows all too well about mental health, battling the worst years of my life with the most intense depression and anxiety in recent times whilst still having to attend my job every damn day to keep afloat. Why do you think I am rarely posting here anymore? Yes, players are human and the road to recovery is never linear. But the lack of details is going to open the door and raise questions about the environment and its impact on the players. This is where they are hanging out much of their time, training and playing footy on weekends.
• We have had players come out and get roasted for some of the things they have said. Even if it is not what they meant, to even make room for people to interpret such messages in certain ways shouldn't be happening. One year we had Cerra say something which leaned towards finals not mattering much to the team. This year McKay says something similar about a premiership. A coach or board member also saying something similar a couple of years ago.

There shouldn't even be any words alluding to the wrong ideas. There needs to be firm ideas and beliefs. There is nothing more important than glory and the ultimate success in footy and whatever else is being told to these players is absurd. They are not thinking success. They don't seem to care. Their words are not strong enough. They don't want glory enough.

• A dated game plan that only destroys careers sooner. Bash and crash contest footy. All about winning the hard ball and nothing else. Players' bodies degenerate quicker. Explain the extensive injury lists over the past 3 years.
• Atrocious drafting and development programs. The club with the smallest academy region in the state. A club invested in international recruits with only ever a strike rate of 1 and even that player we treated poorly. All about cult figures and mere passengers to the bigger names and stars. A "team" reeking of hierarchy where some players matter more than others. No decent small forward since the Betts 2013 and before? Cripps carrying the team for longer than he should have? Lucrative contract offers to injury-riddled players (Williams) and D-graders (Jaksch)?
• Referring back to the first point. As much as we can see taking Walsh before Shiel was a preference amongst us as fans. The approach to chasing for Shiel was a complete embarrassment. Apparent corporate/private jet flights with Chris Judd and Board members? Shiel ended up picking Essendon because he sat with the PLAYERS. His future teammates. Those he will hang around with most. None of this bribing, incentives and extra coin. It was building a connection with others in an on-field team.

And to think I was hearing rumours about the same thing happening again with TDK or someone else...
Carlton doesn't see itself as a sports club. Just a corporation.

• There always seems to be a divide amongst the board about the decisions and overall direction. Even when Voss was appointed. Practically rings alarm bells there. It is just a gaggle of wealthy geese. They may stand next to each other but they don't think with togetherness. No true team ethos.
• And call me a conspiracy theorist, but I still hold it out that the AFL still despises Carlton. The club always has had a huge ego and traces of that ego is still on show. They have looked to this club as smug beauracrats puffing their chests and trying to out rank the league. That complacency we saw with the membership day initially planned the day after Richmond round 1 tells you everything. This club still has an ego. They think things will just happen for them. They show no care and no respect.

"We are Carlton, F The Rest" means little now. If anything it should only be ignorance. Anything more than that is why this club has achieved nothing but misery for 25+ years. It refuses to change and adapt to the new landscape.

This is why I have very little faith right now with this club and I won't see success any time soon. Much of the problems since first supporting them at 7 years of age, are still there to this day. Just in the form of different personnel.

It's genuinely mortifying how I have to look at one of my most hated clubs with respect year in year out. They always get it right. They are always well run. And they will always be one up on my club for the foreseeable future.

 

[GoBlues!]

Endurance you say?

Endurance is what we’re actually lacking, which is why were struggling to run out games.

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

It is totally humiliating to be saying this...

You look at the arch enemy.

They are pretty much the next dynasty team. Perfect in nearly every way.

• A winning culture. Don't know how to lose.
• Perfect delivery inside 50 almost every time.
• They all think and believe in unison. They see themselves as a sports team ahead of everything else.
• Always face adversities perfectly and never a bad story about them the last few years.
• Rarely an MRO sighting. Rarely a significant' long-term injury to a super important player (not that anybody hopes or should hope for this).
• And after every win, they sing the song with gusto. They never get tired of it. It's a drug.
• The coach not only speaks but demonstrates that synergy. He calls them a family.
• The players communicate off and on field.
• Players perform like they never age. Like they are yet to reach their peak.
• They are the perfect strategists. They can and have been complacent, but without the ego and not enough to throw games away.
• Everyone seems to LOVE them now. The media. The AFL always have. Their big money maker. Collingwood are how they spend on other clubs. They need no one else.

They have won a flag and are practically a shoe in to win another. They are nothing short of happy and determined. Doing it all for their supporters.

Meanwhile, on the other end...

We have us.

• A mere corporation. A mere company for profits and off field successes. Infected by billionaires, marketers and shareholders.
• A losing culture. The worst win-loss record of the 21st century. A "club" stained by 5 wooden spoons (2 clear of next worst), a history-making year of misery and breaking all the wrong records, salary cap sorts, third-player payments, tanking allegations, drugs and sexting scandals, wasted talent, etc.
• Where reputations come to ruin. Premiership winning coaches like Denis Pagan and Mick Malthouse. CEOs like Brian Cook. Champions like Chris Judd. Accomplished fitness gurus like Andrew Russell

No matter who walks in through those doors at Ikon Park... no matter how good your resume is... you WILL wither. Your legacy and past achievments will be tainted by a rotten culture and rotten environment. Nothing can be done to change that.

• Players not communicating on field. Burning teammates off (EVEN the captain doing that). No synergy. No connection. No unity.
• Players don't sing the song with energy and pride after a seldom win. They are only worried about the children in their arms. This isn't saying they shouldn't prioritise family. But don't do it at the expense of a potential second family at Carlton. The players merely see this as another job. Many are taking the money and running.
• A little more of a sensitive reason but one that is affecting us this year. Players left right and centre walking away for mental health reasons. We seem to be the only club at the moment with this problem. It is suss. And this is coming from someone who knows all too well about mental health, battling the worst years of my life with the most intense depression and anxiety in recent times whilst still having to attend my job every damn day to keep afloat. Why do you think I am rarely posting here anymore? Yes, players are human and the road to recovery is never linear. But the lack of details is going to open the door and raise questions about the environment and its impact on the players. This is where they are hanging out much of their time, training and playing footy on weekends.
• We have had players come out and get roasted for some of the things they have said. Even if it is not what they meant, to even make room for people to interpret such messages in certain ways shouldn't be happening. One year we had Cerra say something which leaned towards finals not mattering much to the team. This year McKay says something similar about a premiership. A coach or board member also saying something similar a couple of years ago.

There shouldn't even be any words alluding to the wrong ideas. There needs to be firm ideas and beliefs. There is nothing more important than glory and the ultimate success in footy and whatever else is being told to these players is absurd. They are not thinking success. They don't seem to care. Their words are not strong enough. They don't want glory enough.

• A dated game plan that only destroys careers sooner. Bash and crash contest footy. All about winning the hard ball and nothing else. Players' bodies degenerate quicker. Explain the extensive injury lists over the past 3 years.
• Atrocious drafting and development programs. The club with the smallest academy region in the state. A club invested in international recruits with only ever a strike rate of 1 and even that player we treated poorly. All about cult figures and mere passengers to the bigger names and stars. A "team" reeking of hierarchy where some players matter more than others. No decent small forward since the Betts 2013 and before? Cripps carrying the team for longer than he should have? Lucrative contract offers to injury-riddled players (Williams) and D-graders (Jaksch)?
• Referring back to the first point. As much as we can see taking Walsh before Shiel was a preference amongst us as fans. The approach to chasing for Shiel was a complete embarrassment. Apparent corporate/private jet flights with Chris Judd and Board members? Shiel ended up picking Essendon because he sat with the PLAYERS. His future teammates. Those he will hang around with most. None of this bribing, incentives and extra coin. It was building a connection with others in an on-field team.

And to think I was hearing rumours about the same thing happening again with TDK or someone else...
Carlton doesn't see itself as a sports club. Just a corporation.

• There always seems to be a divide amongst the board about the decisions and overall direction. Even when Voss was appointed. Practically rings alarm bells there. It is just a gaggle of wealthy geese. They may stand next to each other but they don't think with togetherness. No true team ethos.
• And call me a conspiracy theorist, but I still hold it out that the AFL still despises Carlton. The club always has had a huge ego and traces of that ego is still on show. They have looked to this club as smug beauracrats puffing their chests and trying to out rank the league. That complacency we saw with the membership day initially planned the day after Richmond round 1 tells you everything. This club still has an ego. They think things will just happen for them. They show no care and no respect.

"We are Carlton, F The Rest" means little now. If anything it should only be ignorance. Anything more than that is why this club has achieved nothing but misery for 25+ years. It refuses to change and adapt to the new landscape.

This is why I have very little faith right now with this club and I won't see success any time soon. Much of the problems since first supporting them at 7 years of age, are still there to this day. Just in the form of different personnel.

It's genuinely mortifying how I have to look at one of my most hated clubs with respect year in year out. They always get it right. They are always well run. And they will always be one up on my club for the foreseeable future.

Post of the century.

 

[Gointocarlton]

Post of the century.

x 2, author should email to the club.

 

[katmanblue]

It is totally humiliating to be saying this...

You look at the arch enemy.

They are pretty much the next dynasty team. Perfect in nearly every way.

• A winning culture. Don't know how to lose.
• Perfect delivery inside 50 almost every time.
• They all think and believe in unison. They see themselves as a sports team ahead of everything else.
• Always face adversities perfectly and never a bad story about them the last few years.
• Rarely an MRO sighting. Rarely a significant' long-term injury to a super important player (not that anybody hopes or should hope for this).
• And after every win, they sing the song with gusto. They never get tired of it. It's a drug.
• The coach not only speaks but demonstrates that synergy. He calls them a family.
• The players communicate off and on field.
• Players perform like they never age. Like they are yet to reach their peak.
• They are the perfect strategists. They can and have been complacent, but without the ego and not enough to throw games away.
• Everyone seems to LOVE them now. The media. The AFL always have. Their big money maker. Collingwood are how they spend on other clubs. They need no one else.

They have won a flag and are practically a shoe in to win another. They are nothing short of happy and determined. Doing it all for their supporters.

Meanwhile, on the other end...

We have us.

• A mere corporation. A mere company for profits and off field successes. Infected by billionaires, marketers and shareholders.
• A losing culture. The worst win-loss record of the 21st century. A "club" stained by 5 wooden spoons (2 clear of next worst), a history-making year of misery and breaking all the wrong records, salary cap sorts, third-player payments, tanking allegations, drugs and sexting scandals, wasted talent, etc.
• Where reputations come to ruin. Premiership winning coaches like Denis Pagan and Mick Malthouse. CEOs like Brian Cook. Champions like Chris Judd. Accomplished fitness gurus like Andrew Russell

No matter who walks in through those doors at Ikon Park... no matter how good your resume is... you WILL wither. Your legacy and past achievments will be tainted by a rotten culture and rotten environment. Nothing can be done to change that.

• Players not communicating on field. Burning teammates off (EVEN the captain doing that). No synergy. No connection. No unity.
• Players don't sing the song with energy and pride after a seldom win. They are only worried about the children in their arms. This isn't saying they shouldn't prioritise family. But don't do it at the expense of a potential second family at Carlton. The players merely see this as another job. Many are taking the money and running.
• A little more of a sensitive reason but one that is affecting us this year. Players left right and centre walking away for mental health reasons. We seem to be the only club at the moment with this problem. It is suss. And this is coming from someone who knows all too well about mental health, battling the worst years of my life with the most intense depression and anxiety in recent times whilst still having to attend my job every damn day to keep afloat. Why do you think I am rarely posting here anymore? Yes, players are human and the road to recovery is never linear. But the lack of details is going to open the door and raise questions about the environment and its impact on the players. This is where they are hanging out much of their time, training and playing footy on weekends.
• We have had players come out and get roasted for some of the things they have said. Even if it is not what they meant, to even make room for people to interpret such messages in certain ways shouldn't be happening. One year we had Cerra say something which leaned towards finals not mattering much to the team. This year McKay says something similar about a premiership. A coach or board member also saying something similar a couple of years ago.

There shouldn't even be any words alluding to the wrong ideas. There needs to be firm ideas and beliefs. There is nothing more important than glory and the ultimate success in footy and whatever else is being told to these players is absurd. They are not thinking success. They don't seem to care. Their words are not strong enough. They don't want glory enough.

• A dated game plan that only destroys careers sooner. Bash and crash contest footy. All about winning the hard ball and nothing else. Players' bodies degenerate quicker. Explain the extensive injury lists over the past 3 years.
• Atrocious drafting and development programs. The club with the smallest academy region in the state. A club invested in international recruits with only ever a strike rate of 1 and even that player we treated poorly. All about cult figures and mere passengers to the bigger names and stars. A "team" reeking of hierarchy where some players matter more than others. No decent small forward since the Betts 2013 and before? Cripps carrying the team for longer than he should have? Lucrative contract offers to injury-riddled players (Williams) and D-graders (Jaksch)?
• Referring back to the first point. As much as we can see taking Walsh before Shiel was a preference amongst us as fans. The approach to chasing for Shiel was a complete embarrassment. Apparent corporate/private jet flights with Chris Judd and Board members? Shiel ended up picking Essendon because he sat with the PLAYERS. His future teammates. Those he will hang around with most. None of this bribing, incentives and extra coin. It was building a connection with others in an on-field team.

And to think I was hearing rumours about the same thing happening again with TDK or someone else...
Carlton doesn't see itself as a sports club. Just a corporation.

• There always seems to be a divide amongst the board about the decisions and overall direction. Even when Voss was appointed. Practically rings alarm bells there. It is just a gaggle of wealthy geese. They may stand next to each other but they don't think with togetherness. No true team ethos.
• And call me a conspiracy theorist, but I still hold it out that the AFL still despises Carlton. The club always has had a huge ego and traces of that ego is still on show. They have looked to this club as smug beauracrats puffing their chests and trying to out rank the league. That complacency we saw with the membership day initially planned the day after Richmond round 1 tells you everything. This club still has an ego. They think things will just happen for them. They show no care and no respect.

"We are Carlton, F The Rest" means little now. If anything it should only be ignorance. Anything more than that is why this club has achieved nothing but misery for 25+ years. It refuses to change and adapt to the new landscape.

This is why I have very little faith right now with this club and I won't see success any time soon. Much of the problems since first supporting them at 7 years of age, are still there to this day. Just in the form of different personnel.

It's genuinely mortifying how I have to look at one of my most hated clubs with respect year in year out. They always get it right. They are always well run. And they will always be one up on my club for the foreseeable future.

Phenomenal post.

Don't know what you do for a living, but holy moly, you write well and with clarity.

 

[reg_lower91]

It is totally humiliating to be saying this...

You look at the arch enemy.

They are pretty much the next dynasty team. Perfect in nearly every way.

• A winning culture. Don't know how to lose.
• Perfect delivery inside 50 almost every time.
• They all think and believe in unison. They see themselves as a sports team ahead of everything else.
• Always face adversities perfectly and never a bad story about them the last few years.
• Rarely an MRO sighting. Rarely a significant' long-term injury to a super important player (not that anybody hopes or should hope for this).
• And after every win, they sing the song with gusto. They never get tired of it. It's a drug.
• The coach not only speaks but demonstrates that synergy. He calls them a family.
• The players communicate off and on field.
• Players perform like they never age. Like they are yet to reach their peak.
• They are the perfect strategists. They can and have been complacent, but without the ego and not enough to throw games away.
• Everyone seems to LOVE them now. The media. The AFL always have. Their big money maker. Collingwood are how they spend on other clubs. They need no one else.

They have won a flag and are practically a shoe in to win another. They are nothing short of happy and determined. Doing it all for their supporters.

Meanwhile, on the other end...

We have us.

• A mere corporation. A mere company for profits and off field successes. Infected by billionaires, marketers and shareholders.
• A losing culture. The worst win-loss record of the 21st century. A "club" stained by 5 wooden spoons (2 clear of next worst), a history-making year of misery and breaking all the wrong records, salary cap sorts, third-player payments, tanking allegations, drugs and sexting scandals, wasted talent, etc.
• Where reputations come to ruin. Premiership winning coaches like Denis Pagan and Mick Malthouse. CEOs like Brian Cook. Champions like Chris Judd. Accomplished fitness gurus like Andrew Russell

No matter who walks in through those doors at Ikon Park... no matter how good your resume is... you WILL wither. Your legacy and past achievments will be tainted by a rotten culture and rotten environment. Nothing can be done to change that.

• Players not communicating on field. Burning teammates off (EVEN the captain doing that). No synergy. No connection. No unity.
• Players don't sing the song with energy and pride after a seldom win. They are only worried about the children in their arms. This isn't saying they shouldn't prioritise family. But don't do it at the expense of a potential second family at Carlton. The players merely see this as another job. Many are taking the money and running.
• A little more of a sensitive reason but one that is affecting us this year. Players left right and centre walking away for mental health reasons. We seem to be the only club at the moment with this problem. It is suss. And this is coming from someone who knows all too well about mental health, battling the worst years of my life with the most intense depression and anxiety in recent times whilst still having to attend my job every damn day to keep afloat. Why do you think I am rarely posting here anymore? Yes, players are human and the road to recovery is never linear. But the lack of details is going to open the door and raise questions about the environment and its impact on the players. This is where they are hanging out much of their time, training and playing footy on weekends.
• We have had players come out and get roasted for some of the things they have said. Even if it is not what they meant, to even make room for people to interpret such messages in certain ways shouldn't be happening. One year we had Cerra say something which leaned towards finals not mattering much to the team. This year McKay says something similar about a premiership. A coach or board member also saying something similar a couple of years ago.

There shouldn't even be any words alluding to the wrong ideas. There needs to be firm ideas and beliefs. There is nothing more important than glory and the ultimate success in footy and whatever else is being told to these players is absurd. They are not thinking success. They don't seem to care. Their words are not strong enough. They don't want glory enough.

• A dated game plan that only destroys careers sooner. Bash and crash contest footy. All about winning the hard ball and nothing else. Players' bodies degenerate quicker. Explain the extensive injury lists over the past 3 years.
• Atrocious drafting and development programs. The club with the smallest academy region in the state. A club invested in international recruits with only ever a strike rate of 1 and even that player we treated poorly. All about cult figures and mere passengers to the bigger names and stars. A "team" reeking of hierarchy where some players matter more than others. No decent small forward since the Betts 2013 and before? Cripps carrying the team for longer than he should have? Lucrative contract offers to injury-riddled players (Williams) and D-graders (Jaksch)?
• Referring back to the first point. As much as we can see taking Walsh before Shiel was a preference amongst us as fans. The approach to chasing for Shiel was a complete embarrassment. Apparent corporate/private jet flights with Chris Judd and Board members? Shiel ended up picking Essendon because he sat with the PLAYERS. His future teammates. Those he will hang around with most. None of this bribing, incentives and extra coin. It was building a connection with others in an on-field team.

And to think I was hearing rumours about the same thing happening again with TDK or someone else...
Carlton doesn't see itself as a sports club. Just a corporation.

• There always seems to be a divide amongst the board about the decisions and overall direction. Even when Voss was appointed. Practically rings alarm bells there. It is just a gaggle of wealthy geese. They may stand next to each other but they don't think with togetherness. No true team ethos.
• And call me a conspiracy theorist, but I still hold it out that the AFL still despises Carlton. The club always has had a huge ego and traces of that ego is still on show. They have looked to this club as smug beauracrats puffing their chests and trying to out rank the league. That complacency we saw with the membership day initially planned the day after Richmond round 1 tells you everything. This club still has an ego. They think things will just happen for them. They show no care and no respect.

"We are Carlton, F The Rest" means little now. If anything it should only be ignorance. Anything more than that is why this club has achieved nothing but misery for 25+ years. It refuses to change and adapt to the new landscape.

This is why I have very little faith right now with this club and I won't see success any time soon. Much of the problems since first supporting them at 7 years of age, are still there to this day. Just in the form of different personnel.

It's genuinely mortifying how I have to look at one of my most hated clubs with respect year in year out. They always get it right. They are always well run. And they will always be one up on my club for the foreseeable future.

An incredibly well put together post

I've never felt more disconnected to our club and I'm slowly losing my passion for both the club and the sport in general.

Might very well return with some success but I genuinely don't know.

Some of you on here have seen the ultimate success. I never have. 2 years ago was the closest I've come. When your club hadn't even gotten to the big dance once in your entire life, you kind of start to go "meh, what's the point", especially when a majority of your football life has been your club getting absolutely pummelled.

It's saddening, maddening and REALLY disenchanting to see what our great club has become. A shadow of its former self and, really, an incredibly terrible football club in the AFL-era.

It's hard to not grow resentment. My love for our club feels like a one-way street. I wouldn't accept that in any other part of my life, why should I with Carlton?

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

An incredibly well put together post

I've never felt more disconnected to our club and I'm slowly losing my passion for both the club and the sport in general.

Might very well return with some success but I genuinely don't know.

Some of you on here have seen the ultimate success. I never have. 2 years ago was the closest I've come. When your club hadn't even gotten to the big dance once in your entire life, you kind of start to go "meh, what's the point", especially when a majority of your football life has been your club getting absolutely pummelled.

It's saddening, maddening and REALLY disenchanting to see what our great club has become. A shadow of its former self and, really, an incredibly terrible football club in the AFL-era.

It's hard to not grow resentment. My love for our club feels like a one-way street. I wouldn't accept that in any other part of my life, why should I with Carlton?

Another good post.
Everyone should get behind these posts, I'm sure someone at the club is monitoring these social media opinions.

Something has to change, our playing list isn't perfect, but it doesn't equate to our current win/loss record.

I hesitate to put too much faith in one person, but lets hope this Wright fella puts us back on the rails.

 

[Gointocarlton]

An incredibly well put together post

I've never felt more disconnected to our club and I'm slowly losing my passion for both the club and the sport in general.

Might very well return with some success but I genuinely don't know.

Some of you on here have seen the ultimate success. I never have. 2 years ago was the closest I've come. When your club hadn't even gotten to the big dance once in your entire life, you kind of start to go "meh, what's the point", especially when a majority of your football life has been your club getting absolutely pummelled.

It's saddening, maddening and REALLY disenchanting to see what our great club has become. A shadow of its former self and, really, an incredibly terrible football club in the AFL-era.

It's hard to not grow resentment. My love for our club feels like a one-way street. I wouldn't accept that in any other part of my life, why should I with Carlton?

Some good song lyrics there, write one about us.

 

[agro]

It is totally humiliating to be saying this...

You look at the arch enemy.

They are pretty much the next dynasty team. Perfect in nearly every way.

• A winning culture. Don't know how to lose.
• Perfect delivery inside 50 almost every time.
• They all think and believe in unison. They see themselves as a sports team ahead of everything else.
• Always face adversities perfectly and never a bad story about them the last few years.
• Rarely an MRO sighting. Rarely a significant' long-term injury to a super important player (not that anybody hopes or should hope for this).
• And after every win, they sing the song with gusto. They never get tired of it. It's a drug.
• The coach not only speaks but demonstrates that synergy. He calls them a family.
• The players communicate off and on field.
• Players perform like they never age. Like they are yet to reach their peak.
• They are the perfect strategists. They can and have been complacent, but without the ego and not enough to throw games away.
• Everyone seems to LOVE them now. The media. The AFL always have. Their big money maker. Collingwood are how they spend on other clubs. They need no one else.

They have won a flag and are practically a shoe in to win another. They are nothing short of happy and determined. Doing it all for their supporters.

Meanwhile, on the other end...

We have us.

• A mere corporation. A mere company for profits and off field successes. Infected by billionaires, marketers and shareholders.
• A losing culture. The worst win-loss record of the 21st century. A "club" stained by 5 wooden spoons (2 clear of next worst), a history-making year of misery and breaking all the wrong records, salary cap sorts, third-player payments, tanking allegations, drugs and sexting scandals, wasted talent, etc.
• Where reputations come to ruin. Premiership winning coaches like Denis Pagan and Mick Malthouse. CEOs like Brian Cook. Champions like Chris Judd. Accomplished fitness gurus like Andrew Russell

No matter who walks in through those doors at Ikon Park... no matter how good your resume is... you WILL wither. Your legacy and past achievments will be tainted by a rotten culture and rotten environment. Nothing can be done to change that.

• Players not communicating on field. Burning teammates off (EVEN the captain doing that). No synergy. No connection. No unity.
• Players don't sing the song with energy and pride after a seldom win. They are only worried about the children in their arms. This isn't saying they shouldn't prioritise family. But don't do it at the expense of a potential second family at Carlton. The players merely see this as another job. Many are taking the money and running.
• A little more of a sensitive reason but one that is affecting us this year. Players left right and centre walking away for mental health reasons. We seem to be the only club at the moment with this problem. It is suss. And this is coming from someone who knows all too well about mental health, battling the worst years of my life with the most intense depression and anxiety in recent times whilst still having to attend my job every damn day to keep afloat. Why do you think I am rarely posting here anymore? Yes, players are human and the road to recovery is never linear. But the lack of details is going to open the door and raise questions about the environment and its impact on the players. This is where they are hanging out much of their time, training and playing footy on weekends.
• We have had players come out and get roasted for some of the things they have said. Even if it is not what they meant, to even make room for people to interpret such messages in certain ways shouldn't be happening. One year we had Cerra say something which leaned towards finals not mattering much to the team. This year McKay says something similar about a premiership. A coach or board member also saying something similar a couple of years ago.

There shouldn't even be any words alluding to the wrong ideas. There needs to be firm ideas and beliefs. There is nothing more important than glory and the ultimate success in footy and whatever else is being told to these players is absurd. They are not thinking success. They don't seem to care. Their words are not strong enough. They don't want glory enough.

• A dated game plan that only destroys careers sooner. Bash and crash contest footy. All about winning the hard ball and nothing else. Players' bodies degenerate quicker. Explain the extensive injury lists over the past 3 years.
• Atrocious drafting and development programs. The club with the smallest academy region in the state. A club invested in international recruits with only ever a strike rate of 1 and even that player we treated poorly. All about cult figures and mere passengers to the bigger names and stars. A "team" reeking of hierarchy where some players matter more than others. No decent small forward since the Betts 2013 and before? Cripps carrying the team for longer than he should have? Lucrative contract offers to injury-riddled players (Williams) and D-graders (Jaksch)?
• Referring back to the first point. As much as we can see taking Walsh before Shiel was a preference amongst us as fans. The approach to chasing for Shiel was a complete embarrassment. Apparent corporate/private jet flights with Chris Judd and Board members? Shiel ended up picking Essendon because he sat with the PLAYERS. His future teammates. Those he will hang around with most. None of this bribing, incentives and extra coin. It was building a connection with others in an on-field team.

And to think I was hearing rumours about the same thing happening again with TDK or someone else...
Carlton doesn't see itself as a sports club. Just a corporation.

• There always seems to be a divide amongst the board about the decisions and overall direction. Even when Voss was appointed. Practically rings alarm bells there. It is just a gaggle of wealthy geese. They may stand next to each other but they don't think with togetherness. No true team ethos.
• And call me a conspiracy theorist, but I still hold it out that the AFL still despises Carlton. The club always has had a huge ego and traces of that ego is still on show. They have looked to this club as smug beauracrats puffing their chests and trying to out rank the league. That complacency we saw with the membership day initially planned the day after Richmond round 1 tells you everything. This club still has an ego. They think things will just happen for them. They show no care and no respect.

"We are Carlton, F The Rest" means little now. If anything it should only be ignorance. Anything more than that is why this club has achieved nothing but misery for 25+ years. It refuses to change and adapt to the new landscape.

This is why I have very little faith right now with this club and I won't see success any time soon. Much of the problems since first supporting them at 7 years of age, are still there to this day. Just in the form of different personnel.

It's genuinely mortifying how I have to look at one of my most hated clubs with respect year in year out. They always get it right. They are always well run. And they will always be one up on my club for the foreseeable future.

Don’t you hate these half glass empty, misery guts, negative posters.

 

[thebluenewdeal]

It is totally humiliating to be saying this...

You look at the arch enemy.

They are pretty much the next dynasty team. Perfect in nearly every way.

• A winning culture. Don't know how to lose.
• Perfect delivery inside 50 almost every time.
• They all think and believe in unison. They see themselves as a sports team ahead of everything else.
• Always face adversities perfectly and never a bad story about them the last few years.
• Rarely an MRO sighting. Rarely a significant' long-term injury to a super important player (not that anybody hopes or should hope for this).
• And after every win, they sing the song with gusto. They never get tired of it. It's a drug.
• The coach not only speaks but demonstrates that synergy. He calls them a family.
• The players communicate off and on field.
• Players perform like they never age. Like they are yet to reach their peak.
• They are the perfect strategists. They can and have been complacent, but without the ego and not enough to throw games away.
• Everyone seems to LOVE them now. The media. The AFL always have. Their big money maker. Collingwood are how they spend on other clubs. They need no one else.

They have won a flag and are practically a shoe in to win another. They are nothing short of happy and determined. Doing it all for their supporters.

Meanwhile, on the other end...

We have us.

• A mere corporation. A mere company for profits and off field successes. Infected by billionaires, marketers and shareholders.
• A losing culture. The worst win-loss record of the 21st century. A "club" stained by 5 wooden spoons (2 clear of next worst), a history-making year of misery and breaking all the wrong records, salary cap sorts, third-player payments, tanking allegations, drugs and sexting scandals, wasted talent, etc.
• Where reputations come to ruin. Premiership winning coaches like Denis Pagan and Mick Malthouse. CEOs like Brian Cook. Champions like Chris Judd. Accomplished fitness gurus like Andrew Russell

No matter who walks in through those doors at Ikon Park... no matter how good your resume is... you WILL wither. Your legacy and past achievments will be tainted by a rotten culture and rotten environment. Nothing can be done to change that.

• Players not communicating on field. Burning teammates off (EVEN the captain doing that). No synergy. No connection. No unity.
• Players don't sing the song with energy and pride after a seldom win. They are only worried about the children in their arms. This isn't saying they shouldn't prioritise family. But don't do it at the expense of a potential second family at Carlton. The players merely see this as another job. Many are taking the money and running.
• A little more of a sensitive reason but one that is affecting us this year. Players left right and centre walking away for mental health reasons. We seem to be the only club at the moment with this problem. It is suss. And this is coming from someone who knows all too well about mental health, battling the worst years of my life with the most intense depression and anxiety in recent times whilst still having to attend my job every damn day to keep afloat. Why do you think I am rarely posting here anymore? Yes, players are human and the road to recovery is never linear. But the lack of details is going to open the door and raise questions about the environment and its impact on the players. This is where they are hanging out much of their time, training and playing footy on weekends.
• We have had players come out and get roasted for some of the things they have said. Even if it is not what they meant, to even make room for people to interpret such messages in certain ways shouldn't be happening. One year we had Cerra say something which leaned towards finals not mattering much to the team. This year McKay says something similar about a premiership. A coach or board member also saying something similar a couple of years ago.

There shouldn't even be any words alluding to the wrong ideas. There needs to be firm ideas and beliefs. There is nothing more important than glory and the ultimate success in footy and whatever else is being told to these players is absurd. They are not thinking success. They don't seem to care. Their words are not strong enough. They don't want glory enough.

• A dated game plan that only destroys careers sooner. Bash and crash contest footy. All about winning the hard ball and nothing else. Players' bodies degenerate quicker. Explain the extensive injury lists over the past 3 years.
• Atrocious drafting and development programs. The club with the smallest academy region in the state. A club invested in international recruits with only ever a strike rate of 1 and even that player we treated poorly. All about cult figures and mere passengers to the bigger names and stars. A "team" reeking of hierarchy where some players matter more than others. No decent small forward since the Betts 2013 and before? Cripps carrying the team for longer than he should have? Lucrative contract offers to injury-riddled players (Williams) and D-graders (Jaksch)?
• Referring back to the first point. As much as we can see taking Walsh before Shiel was a preference amongst us as fans. The approach to chasing for Shiel was a complete embarrassment. Apparent corporate/private jet flights with Chris Judd and Board members? Shiel ended up picking Essendon because he sat with the PLAYERS. His future teammates. Those he will hang around with most. None of this bribing, incentives and extra coin. It was building a connection with others in an on-field team.

And to think I was hearing rumours about the same thing happening again with TDK or someone else...
Carlton doesn't see itself as a sports club. Just a corporation.

• There always seems to be a divide amongst the board about the decisions and overall direction. Even when Voss was appointed. Practically rings alarm bells there. It is just a gaggle of wealthy geese. They may stand next to each other but they don't think with togetherness. No true team ethos.
• And call me a conspiracy theorist, but I still hold it out that the AFL still despises Carlton. The club always has had a huge ego and traces of that ego is still on show. They have looked to this club as smug beauracrats puffing their chests and trying to out rank the league. That complacency we saw with the membership day initially planned the day after Richmond round 1 tells you everything. This club still has an ego. They think things will just happen for them. They show no care and no respect.

"We are Carlton, F The Rest" means little now. If anything it should only be ignorance. Anything more than that is why this club has achieved nothing but misery for 25+ years. It refuses to change and adapt to the new landscape.

This is why I have very little faith right now with this club and I won't see success any time soon. Much of the problems since first supporting them at 7 years of age, are still there to this day. Just in the form of different personnel.

It's genuinely mortifying how I have to look at one of my most hated clubs with respect year in year out. They always get it right. They are always well run. And they will always be one up on my club for the foreseeable future.

Agree to everything you said but still… **** the filth