The cartoons thread

[XXX KINGS]

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yeah kingo, now that i have answered that, here is a tip, read the post, then use that grey matter inside that skull of yours to think.
It does other stuff ,besides forming words, you know?

Ok Cogga, here is my two cents worth. There is nothing in this world that can justify the behaviour of these people in this incident. Your argument that they have a history of ingrained violence falls flat on its ass as you haven't stated the cause of why they are so violent. Instead of teaching that peace is the way to go, they give them a gun. Tolerance is one key element of their education that is also left out. They choose not to teach it, therefore it is their fault. The Danish and Norwegian newspapers have every right to publish this drawing. This is their view of the situation and maybe it isn't so off the mark after all. If we want to create a world with equality, it means we shouldn't be bending over backwards when it comes to freedom of speech. Instead of taking over an EU office, maybe they should gone for PA headquarters instead. Maybe then these 'freedom fighters' could find out what the hell happened to their educations.

 

[Viney]

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"totally" and "utterly" are adjectives i would tend to align to the word "abhorrent" when talking about priests that *******e little boys, adults raping 5 year olds etc., rather than with people that have been brought up in a climate of conflict, with their religion being depicted as it is.

Nice edit of the post there by the way Cogga.

However, most people with any sense and morals would find:

Priests *******ing little boys
Adults raping 5 year olds AND
People who arm themselves and take hostages (for what ever reaseon)

as totally and utterly abhorrent

And I don't see anyone here being an apologist for priests who practice sodomy or rapists....I only see you being an apologist for people arming themselves and taking people hostage because they were offended by a comic depicting their religion in a not so nice light.

Do you have sympathy for a bank robber who had a horrible upbringing.....cause they were forced into it by years of abuse and torment, HUH?

 

[Borgsta]

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alright borgsta, its not acceptable, there, are we all feeling good now?

Not really, still feeling pretty bad for those poor people who have guns in their faces.

Now that we all have not accepted it what are we going to not accept next.
Like wow, these guys a mad, they are murderers, they are everything that we want to say about them. So what's new?

Who exactly are these guys? Im talking about 1 small group of 15 people.

Oh i know, lets wipe them off the planet before they wipe us off the planet, then we will not have anymore people that are mad and murderous i guess huh?

Again, wipe who off the planet? 15 people are hardly going to wipe all of us off the planet.

Put it this way man, i dont like talking this way because i am a kind of a pacifist, but if you really find it totally unacceptable, like really to the point where it actually affects your life, why dont you go and voice your opinion directly to them.

Who ever said that it was really affecting me? I just found it sad and felt sorry for the innocent people involved.

 

[CoggaRules]

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Ok Cogga, here is my two cents worth. There is nothing in this world that can justify the behaviour of these people in this incident. Your argument that they have a history of ingrained violence falls flat on its ass as you haven't stated the cause of why they are so violent. Instead of teaching that peace is the way to go, they give them a gun. Tolerance is one key element of their education that is also left out. They choose not to teach it, therefore it is their fault. The Danish and Norwegian newspapers have every right to publish this drawing. This is their view of the situation and maybe it isn't so off the mark after all. If we want to create a world with equality, it means we shouldn't be bending over backwards when it comes to freedom of speech. Instead of taking over an EU office, maybe they should gone for PA headquarters instead. Maybe then these 'freedom fighters' could find out what the hell happened to their educations.

aahhh kingo, let me have a go at aswering your post.

There is nothing in this world that can justify the behaviour of these people in this incident --- to us yes, to them and the majority of their people its justified.

Instead of teaching that peace is the way to go, they give them a gun. -- why do you say this? oh i know, we see picutres of these guys, mass protests , so this automatically makes all Palestenians the same huh? Each kid gets a gun put in his hands, is that the way you see it? wow, if that was the case, how many palestenains is there?, how many guns does that equate to?

Tolerance is one key element of their education that is also left out -- so when did you study tolerance at school Kingo? or did you learn it from the environment you grew up in?

The Danish and Norwegian newspapers have every right to publish this drawing. This is their view of the situation and maybe it isn't so off the mark after all ---- yes they had every right to do that, in our eyes, to them they didnt and they expressed their disdain the way they did, in their own country.

Maybe then these 'freedom fighters' could find out what the hell happened to their educations -- early on you suggest that the subject , "tolerance" was left out of their education, and now you suggest that they didnt get an education? By the way, i see you are sceptical on them being freedom fighters huh? So if that is the case, what do you think these dudes are? just a bunch of cowboys out for a good time? I mean, lets face it, they are just blowing themselves up and doing what they do to others in so doing, just to get a laugh? or maybe they just do it because the world needs a baddy? or what?

You dont get it do you?
They have been there done this kind of stuff for centuries , like many other countries in the area and that includes European countries.
They have had occupiers that have hung around for centuries, not just a few years, take Greece, the turks were there for 400 hundred years man, not 10, not 50, bloody 400, thats double the age of our country, and the fight continued for the entire time and the greeks prevailed.
They will not stop because they didnt before and prevailed and they will continue because of that .
Now all of a sudden, we, as country that is what? 200 years old, have never been occupied, never endured that kind of hardhsip, never had to fight to reclaim land, pretty much havent done anything on our soil, wanting to tell thses dudes what? we know whats best? LOL, man keep sleeping.

 

[CoggaRules]

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Nice edit of the post there by the way Cogga.

However, most people with any sense and morals would find:

Priests *******ing little boys
Adults raping 5 year olds AND
People who arm themselves and take hostages (for what ever reaseon)

as totally and utterly abhorrent

And I don't see anyone here being an apologist for priests who practice sodomy or rapists....I only see you being an apologist for people arming themselves and taking people hostage because they were offended by a comic depicting their religion in a not so nice light.

Do you have sympathy for a bank robber who had a horrible upbringing.....cause they were forced into it by years of abuse and torment, HUH?

so you in your opinion there is no difference between a preist *******ing little boys and people who are in the middle of a conlfict, have been in the middle of a conflict since birth ,arming themsleves and taking hostages in the middle of that conflict?
Yes you dont see anyone here being an apolgist for those preists,but i kind of see others in more powerful poisitions being apolgists huh?
naaa, but we have morals here dont we? we are just the best, we dont let those things go unoticed, we jump up and down, even though we let them slide away into the ether,when those who we entrust with teking care of business let them get away with it huh? Go figure.

ANd yes i do have sympathy for a bank robber that has had a horrible upbringing, which leads to him doing what he does, dont you?
I dont have symapthy for people with no cause, thats when i deem them evil.
You know? the ones that are priests and fondle and *******e boys? they kind of fall into that category. totally and utterly abhorrent huh?

 

[Blues_Man]

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"totally" and "utterly" are adjectives i would tend to align to the word "abhorrent" when talking about priests that *******e little boys, adults raping 5 year olds etc., rather than with people that have been brought up in a climate of conflict, with their religion being depicted as it is.

Ahh i get it ...so if you are angry regarding somebody ridiculing your religious beliefs then you are quite within your rights to kidnap ..and possibly kill other people just to show your displeasure .....sounds pretty reasonable Cogga ....(i'll keep him talking ....somebody run and get the straight jacket )

 

[XXX KINGS]

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aahhh kingo, let me have a go at aswering your post.

What is with this kingo business?

There is nothing in this world that can justify the behaviour of these people in this incident --- to us yes, to them and the majority of their people its justified.

That doesn't mean you should accept this, which you have done.

Instead of teaching that peace is the way to go, they give them a gun. -- why do you say this? oh i know, we see picutres of these guys, mass protests , so this automatically makes all Palestenians the same huh? Each kid gets a gun put in his hands, is that the way you see it? wow, if that was the case, how many palestenains is there?, how many guns does that equate to?

I did not mean that literally they are given a gun, I meant it is how they are brought up. This is their own fault so therefore I refuse to feel sorry for them.

Tolerance is one key element of their education that is also left out -- so when did you study tolerance at school Kingo? or did you learn it from the environment you grew up in?

I learnt what it means to be tolerant from both school and my home environment. These people don't make an effort to teach it, therefore, it is their fault.

The Danish and Norwegian newspapers have every right to publish this drawing. This is their view of the situation and maybe it isn't so off the mark after all ---- yes they had every right to do that, in our eyes, to them they didnt and they expressed their disdain the way they did, in their own country.

And this is what is wrong with their society. A serial killer sees nothing wrong with commiting his crime but that doesn't mean it is justifiable. Don't use the beliefs of these terrorists as your own justification for their actions.

Maybe then these 'freedom fighters' could find out what the hell happened to their educations -- early on you suggest that the subject , "tolerance" was left out of their education, and now you suggest that they didnt get an education?

Are you ******ed? Why are you trying to twist my words around? I said in the beginning that they are educated poorly and taught the wrong things. This is why I beleive they should be asking themselves what happened to their educations. Also, where did I say that they didn't receive an education?

By the way, i see you are sceptical on them being freedom fighters huh? So if that is the case, what do you think these dudes are? just a bunch of cowboys out for a good time? I mean, lets face it, they are just blowing themselves up and doing what they do to others in so doing, just to get a laugh? or maybe they just do it because the world needs a baddy? or what?

I don't believe that terrorism is a way of fighting for a cause. I believe that in some way they do get some sick and bitter enjoyment out of killing civillians. This is my opinion.

 

[XXX KINGS]

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Ahh i get it ...so if you are angry regarding somebody ridiculing your religious beliefs then you are quite within your rights to kidnap ..and possibly kill other people just to show your displeasure .....sounds pretty reasonable Cogga ....(i'll keep him talking ....somebody run and get the straight jacket )

lol

 

[otaku]

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so you in your opinion there is no difference between a preist *******ing little boys and people who are in the middle of a conlfict, have been in the middle of a conflict since birth ,arming themsleves and taking hostages in the middle of that conflict?

What conflict? I dont see the Danish people invading the middle east anywhere...do you?

Oh, you mean they are in conflict generally, and so that excuses their behaviour? You are a tw@t.

Yes you dont see anyone here being an apolgist for those preists,but i kind of see others in more powerful poisitions being apolgists huh?

Yup, you see people in power defending their actions. It simply means those people are wrong too....just like you are.

naaa, but we have morals here dont we? we are just the best, we dont let those things go unoticed, we jump up and down, even though we let them slide away into the ether,when those who we entrust with teking care of business let them get away with it huh? Go figure.

you are starting to foam at the mouth cogga - relax, and think before you post.

And who is this "we" paleface?

ANd yes i do have sympathy for a bank robber that has had a horrible upbringing, which leads to him doing what he does, dont you?

Sympathy for his upbringing - yes. Sympathy for his deed, and the consequence? No.

I dont have symapthy for people with no cause, thats when i deem them evil.
You know? the ones that are priests and fondle and *******e boys? they kind of fall into that category. totally and utterly abhorrent huh?

Not at all, after all, they are forced into their position by the catholic church and society's expectations...it gives them a right to abuse boys....according to your logic anyway.

 

[CoggaRules]

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I don't believe that terrorism is a way of fighting for a cause. I believe that in some way they do get some sick and bitter enjoyment out of killing civillians. This is my opinion.

and you ask if i am ******ed huh?

 

[Viney]

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so you in your opinion there is no difference between a preist *******ing little boys and people who are in the middle of a conlfict, have been in the middle of a conflict since birth ,arming themsleves and taking hostages in the middle of that conflict?
Yes you dont see anyone here being an apolgist for those preists,but i kind of see others in more powerful poisitions being apolgists huh?
naaa, but we have morals here dont we? we are just the best, we dont let those things go unoticed, we jump up and down, even though we let them slide away into the ether,when those who we entrust with teking care of business let them get away with it huh? Go figure.

ANd yes i do have sympathy for a bank robber that has had a horrible upbringing, which leads to him doing what he does, dont you?
I dont have symapthy for people with no cause, thats when i deem them evil.
You know? the ones that are priests and fondle and *******e boys? they kind of fall into that category. totally and utterly abhorrent huh?

Cogga....to me a criminal act is a criminal act. There is no justification in my eyes, no matter how much you try and explain (if that is what you actually call an explanation) it as something else.

I feel for people who have terrible upbringings / lives etc.

Doesn't mean I condone any crime they CHOOSE to commit.

I also don't condone a crime that someone who had a priveledged upbringing.

Criminal acts are wrong and I am not an apologist for any individual criminal or criminal group, whatever their "cause" or "reasoning".

Whereas you on the other hand seem intent on making excuses for what these Palestinians did.

 

[CoggaRules]

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I did not mean that literally they are given a gun, I meant it is how they are brought up. This is their own fault so therefore I refuse to feel sorry for them.

so its their own fault that they were brought up the way they were huh?
and you ask if i am ******ed?

 

[XXX KINGS]

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and you ask if i am ******ed huh?

I don't believe killing civillians is a justifiable way of fighting for a cause. If they were real freedom fighters then they would be diplomatic, which they aren't. I honestly believe that they do get enjoyment out of watching the reactions from the families of those who have died from terrorist attacks. After all, it's what they strive for, so they must get satisfaction from it.

 

[XXX KINGS]

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so its their own fault that they were brought up the way they were huh?
and you ask if i am ******ed?

It's their own fault that they teach their youth the way they do. They make no effort to do otherwise. Their leaders are pathetic.

 

[Borgsta]

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so Cogga who exactly are they?

 

[CoggaRules]

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Cogga....to me a criminal act is a criminal act. There is no justification in my eyes, no matter how much you try and explain (if that is what you actually call an explanation) it as something else.

I feel for people who have terrible upbringings / lives etc.

Doesn't mean I condone any crime they CHOOSE to commit.

I also don't condone a crime that someone who had a priveledged upbringing.

Criminal acts are wrong and I am not an apologist for any individual criminal or criminal group, whatever their "cause" or "reasoning".

Whereas you on the other hand seem intent on making excuses for what these Palestinians did.

me thinks you are of the opinion I am condoning what they did. Sorry, but when talking about the specific act, of course not. I would not want to be that person looking at the barrel of a gun pointed at me.
so you are talking about the specific act, insted of what circumstances brought about that act? of course, dont thnk many would say otherwise.
SO what? thought that was standard thought patterns in normal people, hence the question here wasnt purely about the act.
Because we can talk about "acts" forever and a day, if we keep on talking about the acts and how we dont condone them and not talk about the consequences that lead to them happening, all the consequences that is, not just the one, that is highlighted here.

 

[otaku]

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so, who controls the "media" coga?

not usually one to quote myself, but this question needs to be answered cogga

 

[Viney]

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me thinks you are of the opinion I am condoning what they did. Sorry, but when talking about the specific act, of course not. I would not want to be that person looking at the barrel of a gun pointed at me.
so you are talking about the specific act, insted of what circumstances brought about that act? of course, dont thnk many would say otherwise.
SO what? thought that was standard thought patterns in normal people, hence the question here wasnt purely about the act.
Because we can talk about "acts" forever and a day, if we keep on talking about the acts and how we dont condone them and not talk about the consequences that lead to them happening, all the consequences that is, not just the one, that is highlighted here.

Yes....I do think you are in a way condoning it. By trying to come up with some B.S. explanation that years of war and oppression forced these guys to buy a plane ticket to Denmark, go to these guys office (who drew a satirical comic btw) whilst masked and armed and take them hostage, you are trying to justify their actions.

In my mind, if you try and justify something, you are in some way shape or form in support of what you are trying to justify.

You also introduced (for what ever reasons) the subject of priests *******ing children. These priests may not have had years of oppression / war etc, however, they still committed a crime.

By that reasoning, they choose to commit that crime. Could the same then not be said of the Palestinian gunmen? They chose to do it, weren't born into or forced to??

 

[CoggaRules]

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Yes....I do think you are in a way condoning it. By trying to come up with some B.S. explanation that years of war and oppression forced these guys to buy a plane ticket to Denmark, go to these guys office (who drew a satirical comic btw) whilst masked and armed and take them hostage, you are trying to justify their actions.

In my mind, if you try and justify something, you are in some way shape or form in support of what you are trying to justify.

You also introduced (for what ever reasons) the subject of priests *******ing children. These priests may not have had years of oppression / war etc, however, they still committed a crime.

By that reasoning, they choose to commit that crime. Could the same then not be said of the Palestinian gunmen? They chose to do it, weren't born into or forced to??

naaa, Viney, you see maybe you want to make it look like I condone such stuff, but me thinks you know JS about the whole thing and hence you talk through your ass. Do you know why? it happened in Gaza man!!!
yeah, typical of alot of psoters here, you try and find some sort of reasons for people behaving like this, and people like Viney know it all dont they, they go off and call you a sympathiser dont they, fool.
In this situation, I dont symapthise with anyone man, not them, not us, not no one, i try and find the unfindable solution, to all this stuff. Do you understand what unfindable is?
Its like, if anyone suggests there has to be a better way, they are automatically tagged by dip sticks like yuorself, as condoning all this stuff.
Remember it happened in Gaza huh? LOL, you fool, got on a plane and flew to Denmark? what a an absolute moron

 

[Lestat]

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I don't believe killing civillians is a justifiable way of fighting for a cause. If they were real freedom fighters then they would be diplomatic, which they aren't. I honestly believe that they do get enjoyment out of watching the reactions from the families of those who have died from terrorist attacks. After all, it's what they strive for, so they must get satisfaction from it.

Does this logic also apply to the Israeli's, or only the Palestinians.

Ever heard of the Irgun and Stern gangs?

Over 600 Palestinian children killed in the past two years...deliberately targetted by IDF soldiers. I recall two children in the past year shot in the head whilst in the classroom, by Israeli snipers.

Have you seen the reactions of the settlers after Palestinians are murdered by the IDF terrorists. They too get enjoyment from watching the reactions from the families of those who have been killed by state sponsored Israeli terrorism.

Question? Do you get satisfaction from it?

how do you feel about there deaths? Justified?

Are you a hypocrite?

 

[otaku]

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So, Lestat, do you feel these people are justified in what they did?

 

[Lestat]

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So, Lestat, do you feel these people are justified in what they did?

What did they do? Did anyone get hurt?

More importantly Otaku...do you believe that the Danish/Noregians are justified in what they did?

 

[otaku]

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What did they do? Did anyone get hurt?

More importantly Otaku...do you believe that the Danish/Noregians are justified in what they did?

Come on, Lestat - simple question.

If you dont know what they did, go read the OP.

 

[Lestat]

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Otaku,

Obviously...what they did was an act of revenge. These Palestinians feel great offense at the insult of the prophet, hence they have acted out of revenge.

Was it stupid...perhaps, understandable...perhaps.

Do you believe that revenge is stupid? When the US avenged S11 by killing over 3000 innocent Afghani's...did you feel that they were justified in what they did?

Many arab nations are now encouraging a boycott against Danish products. Some countries have recalled there embassadors as a sign of protest.

Tell me Otaku...do you feel that this is stupid.

My point is...i'm just curious...is it the reactions that you find 'stupid', or the fact that some muslims are offended in the first place.

I suspect its the latter.

 

[Lestat]

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Come on, Lestat - simple question.

If you dont know what they did, go read the OP.

I just asked you a couple of simple questions. Why can't you answer them.

My answers very much depend on yours.

Was anyone hurt?

What I find intiguing is that you have no problem with locking people up due to what they might 'say' at a Mosque on a Friday, yet find this as 'stupid'.

Both incide hatred...don't they? so whats the diff?