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Brishawk said:
I don't think I would be near as interested in cricket if not for Warne. Just couldn't get enough of his bowling. Also enjoyed Curley ambrose. He epitomised mean scary fast bowler.
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You ever see Andy Roberts or Joel Garner bowl? Andy Roberts was the nasiest I saw. His bouncer was lethal.
 
Warne was awesome. He took wickets through his sheer will and competitiveness. Lillee had that about him too.
 
grizzlym said:
You ever see Andy Roberts or Joel Garner bowl? Andy Roberts was the nasiest I saw. His bouncer was lethal.
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Again, these guys were a bit before my time (and likely Brishawk's), but I'd agree with him on Ambrose. Had that stare that'd make you shit your pants as a batsman, then backed it up with his bowling.

With Holding as well, the Windies really weren't short of quality fast bowlers in those days!
 
Sixpence said:
Again, these guys were a bit before my time (and likely Brishawk's), but I'd agree with him on Ambrose. Had that stare that'd make you shit your pants as a batsman, then backed it up with his bowling.

With Holding as well, the Windies really weren't short of quality fast bowlers in those days!
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Thet certainky had that assembly line going.

Langers will probably remember the match, but I remember in the Windies hey-day, playing in Perth, winning the toss and batting. It wasn't a pleasant outcome.
 

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Watson bowled his obligatory handful of useless overs.
 
Brishawk said:
Any reason why smith didn't bowl? Pitch was taking a lot of spin.

We will need a Clarke/smith 100s to win this. Most of our batsman can't play spin and it will turn tomorrow.
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Ponting was saying it didn't turn at all Day 5 2009, as Aussies had anticipated, so likely the case again - esp given Moeen Ali was selected as their specialist spinner (ie Poms know it won't spin!). However rain is forecast for Day 5, so might save our arses. Think only 3 teams have successfully managed to chase down 400 in Test history - so it'll take a MONUMENTAL effort. Sadly I don't think we've acclimitised enough to the conditions for it to happen. But we've got plenty of talent, so you never know.

I also was a bit baffled not to see Smith, Clarker and Voges get a single over. Even just to offer some respite to the quicks.
 

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Bedi said:
However rain is forecast for Day 5, so might save our arses..
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Knowing our batting, what are the chances of seeing day 5?
 
Brishawk said:
Any chance they will combine the super test records with regular tests? Lillie took about 100 plus his 355 test wickets which would put him well up the overall wicket list.
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I hope they do. In a game where someone's legacy is primarily judged on statistics, it just not right that, what was at the time the stage where the best players and cricket was played, not be recognized as such. Greats of the game like Lillee need to be placed in the correct statistical context.

Back on the bowlers. I have a vivid memory of working at the Myer city store at the end of 1988 and timing my break so I could get down to the TV department to watch the start of the Brisbane test. I don't think Boon saw Marshall's first ball which I remember as a fast inswinger crashing into his pads. Not out, but it made me think that it wasn't going to be a good time. Marshall and Ambrose terrorized the Aussies on the opening morning.

They also had the list of England's top wicket takers on the tv last night. Freddy Truman stood out for me. We do get caught up waxing lyrical about the players of our time and forget a bit about the greats of the past.
 

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Can't say I didn't expect the result. Bowlers were not quite good enough in the first innings but primarily batting in the first innings was not good enough given the placid conditions and that each batsman got set before getting out.

Watson must be replaced by one of the marsh boys if we are serious about winning. How many times can one player get out LBW against England before we recognise they have worked him out? 10 times in 9 tests in England. That is more than 50% of his dismissals. Most batsman get dismissed approximately 20% (or less) by LBW. Watson's overall rate of dismissal by LBW is 27%. Removing those 10 English test reduces that to about 20%. So we judge that it is likely that in English conditions Watson has a technique issue that England are able to exploit. In further support of this, he averages 36 in England which is the same as his career average. However take out the 176 made on a patting paradise in a match after England had already won the series and his average in England falls to 29. That is a whopping 9 runs per innings more than Mitch Johnson averages in England :drunk:. I bet Faulkner would offer us more with the bat also not to mention Mitch Marsh. And don't get me started on his penchant for reviewing plumb LBW decisions!
 
Not good and def in a bit of strife i reckon for rest of series.
Unless injury forces out Starc, only change wld be M Marsh for Watson. Surely!

If Starc does miss out, though Siddle will replace him - I hope they do roll the dice and give Cummins a go. Even though he hasn't played a first class match in 2 years (!!!) - i still reckon it's worth the risk. Can't see Siddle bring home the bacon - but being the warrior he is, I'd love to be proven wrong.
 
Bedi said:
Not good and def in a bit of strife i reckon for rest of series.
Unless injury forces out Starc, only change wld be M Marsh for Watson. Surely!

If Starc does miss out, though Siddle will replace him - I hope they do roll the dice and give Cummins a go. Even though he hasn't played a first class match in 2 years (!!!) - i still reckon it's worth the risk. Can't see Siddle bring home the bacon - but being the warrior he is, I'd love to be proven wrong.
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I am with you. Siddle has slowed down a bit which is why he was dropped in the first place. If Cummins is fit enough to make it through a test take the punt on him before the series is over. The loss of Starc will really hurt us as he was the most threatening of our bowlers. Johnson didn't look dangerous. Hopefully his good batting will see him bowl better in the second test. Halzewood was solid. Though with the pitch being a bit up and down he would have thrived in the second innings. Funnily enough an up and down pitch is made for peter siddle as he bowlers at the stumps more than any of our bowlers.
 
Brishawk said:
Can't say I didn't expect the result. Bowlers were not quite good enough in the first innings but primarily batting in the first innings was not good enough given the placid conditions and that each batsman got set before getting out.

Watson must be replaced by one of the marsh boys if we are serious about winning. How many times can one player get out LBW against England before we recognise they have worked him out? 10 times in 9 tests in England. That is more than 50% of his dismissals. Most batsman get dismissed approximately 20% (or less) by LBW. Watson's overall rate of dismissal by LBW is 27%. Removing those 10 English test reduces that to about 20%. So we judge that it is likely that in English conditions Watson has a technique issue that England are able to exploit. In further support of this, he averages 36 in England which is the same as his career average. However take out the 176 made on a patting paradise in a match after England had already won the series and his average in England falls to 29. That is a whopping 9 runs per innings more than Mitch Johnson averages in England :drunk:. I bet Faulkner would offer us more with the bat also not to mention Mitch Marsh. And don't get me started on his penchant for reviewing plumb LBW decisions!
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Agree entirely. So does Hitler
 
How does Cummins get a spot in the squad after not playing a First Class match in two years ? Also, our bowlers went for a lot in the two county lead-up games, so alarm bells should have been ringing already. Obviously missing Harris wasn't in the grand scheme of things.
 

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