Ledger's performance lifts TDK above the original. His performance was simply that good.
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Movie The Dark Knight
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Ledger's performance lifts TDK above the original. His performance was simply that good.
In fact it's not just the performance of Ledger. It's the battle between the Joker and Batman throughout the film. Both films revolved around this rivalry. Did you guys really believe The Joker had Batman beat in the original? As I said before, the Joker in the original was not scary, in fact he was quite tame. In TDK you truly felt that Batman felt defeated, he was pushed to the absolute brink numerous times, not physically but emotionally. That is what both films are about and TDK did it MUCH better than the original did.
Batman 89 was a mess, story was shocking (Joker killing Bruces parents?). Nicholson is just playing himself, bar with makeup. Keaton is not a decent actor, nor is he suited to action movies. He spends half the movie arching his eyebrows. The relationship between he and Vicki comes off as fake and nowhere near believable. For someone that goes to alot of effort to hide his secret identity he seems to give it away pretty easy to a nosey reporter hes had a fling with.
The Dark Knight has nowhere near the amount of flaws present in Batman 89. Every actor is better suited to their roles, the plot is all round better and Bale can actually fight. For Gordon to be barely mentioned in 89 was just crap. And IMO Eckhart puts just a good performance in as Ledger. Very convincing as Harvey Dent.
The Dark Knight has nowhere near the amount of flaws present in Batman 89. Every actor is better suited to their roles, the plot is all round better and Bale can actually fight. For Gordon to be barely mentioned in 89 was just crap. And IMO Eckhart puts just a good performance in as Ledger. Very convincing as Harvey Dent.
Nicholson was good, but his Joker was a clown, and not a good interpretation of The Joker.
This version of The Joker is perfect - and the shame of it is, as Joker says, they 'could do this for ever,' - and have some absolutely epic battles.
The Joker kills Robin, The Joker paralyses Gordon's daughter, and then shows Gordon footage of her being stripped naked. He is a pyschopath, whose only enjoyment comes from tearing down society and pushing people to a point where they break, and become like him. That's why he loves Batman, because Bruce Wayne was pushed over the edge, and he did break; but, the difference is, instead of becoming The Joker, he became Batman.
This movie set up The Joker and Batman for the future; forgetting the human tragedy of Ledger's death, it's a movie tragedy that we'll never get to see The Joker and Batman really get into it together.
Batman is the only person The Joker couldn't break, but he came incredibly close, and while he didn't corrupt Batman like he was trying to, he did help Bane in breaking Batman physically.
PS - Criminal Minds tonight is a good little rip-off of TDK; a good person who, through one horrific event, loses it.
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I honestly couldn't see Two-Face in another movie, the way they set him up in this movie I thought his death was the only logical conclusion. Its hard to imagine him becoming all out bad. Once he had finished his revenge I cant see him having any motivation to kill anyone else.
Well as the film currently stands I agree with you. If they really built up the relationship between he and Rachel Dawes then his anguish would've become more believable, maybe even let it be known to him that she had a thing for Batman or something i dunno, the next film could've then used to really spend time on his transformation from good guy to twisted, angry freak. I dont think it would work with him as the stand alone villain since as you said it's hard to imagine him being an all out bad guy but TwoFace plus another villain pushing him to evil couldve worked well.
Yeah I feel they should of fleshed out the relationship with Dawes a bit more, Eckhart really did a great job with the amount of time he was given. Great performance that will probably go un-noticed due to Ledger's.
Will be interesting to see the direction they take if they make another movie. There is not many villains from the comics that can fit into the universe Nolan created. The Penguin would be a bad idea and hes really just a mob boss, and they have covered that pretty good in the first two movies. The Riddler could work with Nolan at the helm. Who knows, with the schedule Bale has we might not see another Batman movie until 2010 at earliest.
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If Deadshot would fit in any Batman universe, it would be Nolan's. He may not have the grand ambitions of The Joker or Ra's Al Ghul, but he would make a wicked secondary villian similar to the Scarecrow in Batman Begins and would make for some killer action scenes w/ Batman. He is a rather intriguing character with a very interesting backstory. I'd like to see him hired by either Two-Face or maybe even the Mayor of Gotham in order to bring Batman to justice. After all, they are hunting him at the end of TDK...who better to hunt him than Deadshot?
Time will tell. Only Peter Finch (Network, 1976) is the only actor to posthumously win an Oscar. Network was nominated for 10 Academy Awards (including the 7 major categories) and had won 4 Golden Globes.
My guess is Heath will be nominated yet not win an Oscar.
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incredible that the dark knight has remained at the top with such a high vote score on IMDB (9.6 is like the bradman of IMDB ratings) and still has 70,000 votes....
i know new movies often jump up towards the top but usually by the 70,000 vote stage they are back in the pack a bit, and definetaly sitting at 9.6
i think it will settle in around about 3rd or 4th position based on previous big hits hitting the top of ratings.
can't wait to see it
i know new movies often jump up towards the top but usually by the 70,000 vote stage they are back in the pack a bit, and definetaly sitting at 9.6
i think it will settle in around about 3rd or 4th position based on previous big hits hitting the top of ratings.
can't wait to see it
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I love the movie but I've got to agree, at least when it comes to IMDB (not that anyone takes that shithole seriously anyway).
Greatest movie of all time it isn't.
I think the ending was suppose to be better,
But I mean it does leave it open for a sequal, maybe just a different actor.
pretty sure Joker was suppose to fall off the edge, but because of Heaths death they opted to change the ending. I mean, if the current ending was intentional, then they surely would have shown the Joker being taken away or something.
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No mate, if the Joker dies in that scene, then he wins. The point of him living was so that Batman hasn't sunk to The Joker's level, and the 'soul' of Gotham is saved.
Of course...
That gets turned on tis head instantly when Batman works out what The Joker has done to Harvey Dent.
Christian Bale accused of assaulting Mother and sister wtf?
Also why the hate for the Batvoice.....
how else is a man in a batsuit supposed to appear menacing?
it was used to great effect during his frenzied attack on the Joker during questioning.
Also why the hate for the Batvoice.....
how else is a man in a batsuit supposed to appear menacing?
it was used to great effect during his frenzied attack on the Joker during questioning.
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Yep that bit it was used well - it was just right at the end when he's talking to Gordon that it started to grate for me.
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yeah the last few minutes of batman speaking is pretty incoherent. It sounds like he is in a sudafed commercial. And why does batman use his bat voice when he is speaking to Fox, surely he knows that Bruce Wayne is batman?? Maybe hes just getting in to character?
Anyway thats my only gripe with TDK, have seen it twice already
Anyway thats my only gripe with TDK, have seen it twice already
In all likelihood it's the suit that makes him talk like that, otherwise he probably would talk like Bruce Wayne when talking to Alfred and Lucius Fox.
imo Bruce Wayne is just playing a character like any method actor. (hence the change of voice even when talking to allies)
its one of his masks including the frivolous playboy that is his public face.
its one of his masks including the frivolous playboy that is his public face.
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That question was answered a few posts ago (by me
).I know my stuff when it comes to the man of Bat.
When he puts the suit on, he's Batman, not Bruce Wayne - so the voice you hear is Batman, not Bruce Wayne.
Enjoyed it, need to see it again but rate Batman Begins far ahead of it upon 1st viewing.
