The Draw Was Fine.

[Marlin01]

The draw wasnt fine.

There is no reason why ANY team should play BOTH GWS and the Suns twice in the same year. They only play six return games in total (not counting their state derbies and playing each other).....and there are 14 teams that can share these six games. The fact that Adelaide and North played four of these six games was and always will be, a farce.

And yet it makes no difference.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

And yet it makes no difference.

If you drive home over the legal alcohol limit and get home safely, it also makes no difference.

 

[boncer34]

And yet it makes no difference.

Take those 2 away from North and give them to Essendon and hey presto we'd have played finals.

 

[Marlin01]

Take those 2 away from North and give them to Essendon and hey presto we'd have played finals.

Congratulations.

 

[Pevers-Legend]

Rather than complaining about what has transpired, lets look at what will transpire with the new draw.

If the AFL are fair and equitable, then Adelaide will get Geelong's draw, and North will get Essendon's draw.

We know that won't happen, which is why people complain.

Extending the comp to 18 teams has really reduced the number of teams you play twice, hence those games gain greater importance.

Time to get rid of the mandatory derbies, showdowns and blockbusters being played twice a year. Need a rolling draw.

 

[mufassa]

Take those 2 away from North and give them to Essendon and hey presto we'd have played finals.

What a load of rubbish.

 

[mufassa]

Rather than complaining about what has transpired, lets look at what will transpire with the new draw.

If the AFL are fair and equitable, then Adelaide will get Geelong's draw, and North will get Essendon's draw.

We know that won't happen, which is why people complain.

Extending the comp to 18 teams has really reduced the number of teams you play twice, hence those games gain greater importance.

Time to get rid of the mandatory derbies, showdowns and blockbusters being played twice a year. Need a rolling draw.

We missed finals and got an easy draw - next year I am not expecting an easy draw - but we will still get the low ratings teams and most are down the bottom of the ladder. We won't get Hawks, Pies, Cats, Blues and Ess twice - we will get one of these, 2 or 3 inter state teams and 1 or both of Dogs, Dees.

Blues finished last and Pies finished 2nd last a few years ago - Essendon were guaranteed to play them twice - swings and roundabouts.

 

[Andrew Mc]

No one was rested from Sydney either, much to my chagrin.

It's just part of the culture of the club. Even on Friday night they continued to go in hard even when the game was won. You go against this and the team and the way they play will start to fail.

 

[Brasher]

I've said before that I'd rather have played Melbourne clubs than Suns/Giants twice.

Ok, for a second, couldn't the Crows theoretically still have finished second if they got to play one of NM, Hawthorn, Carlton, Sydney or Brisbane at home instead of the Giants or Suns? There's no guarantee that the Crows still wouldn't have ended up on 17 wins just like there is no guarantee that the teams who missed out on playing the Suns and Giants twice would have finished the season with anymore wins.\

But as the post above says, what would help a lot is getting rid of all the derbies, showdowns, bridge battles etc.

 

[Bardo State]

The two best sides got there in the end

That's all you can ask for

 

[ceebs]

I actually did a dominance matrix (further maths students will understand) for the regular season and produced a ladder from it, it takes into account the quality of opposition that teams beat, will post up later if anyone is interested.
From memory the top 4 was Hawthorn, Collingwood, West Coast and Sydney while GC finished above Melbourne.

 

[radiojake]

If you drive home over the legal alcohol limit and get home safely, it also makes no difference.

All you need to do now his somehow bring up Hitler and Nazism and that longbow will be completely streched -

Nice work --

 

[Bardo State]

I actually did a dominance matrix (further maths students will understand) for the regular season and produced a ladder from it, it takes into account the quality of opposition that teams beat, will post up later if anyone is interested.
From memory the top 4 was Hawthorn, Collingwood, West Coast and Sydney while GC finished above Melbourne.

That would be interesting to see

 

[HawkMongrel]

Can we please call it a fixture, not a draw?

Only if you flogs start pronouncing "derby" as "darby" like the rest of us.

 

[im_a_lazy_sod]

Although the two best sides are now in the GF (seems a pretty general consensus as well), the draw is and always will be (for the time being) a p***take - any of the top 8 could probably make a strong a case for being there on Saturday had they made it (bar maybe North)

On the easy draw:

Adelaide were still a good team this year - they fell just short of a grand final appearance

North on the other hand, got pumped in their only finals appearance

If neither team had made the finals everyone would be screaming that justice was served, as it stands neither team will win the flag this year

Focussing on the teams that get a favourable draw and wishing them the worst is just a distraction for how bad the draw really is - it's a pot luck where all do you can do is hand in requests and hope for the best

 

[Bardo State]

Can anyone think of an example where the best team wasn't there on GF day because of the draw?

 

[rayven]

Given they lost to Collingwood, you can hardly say they deserved it. Especially as they were coming off the crusey game against North and the Pies were coming off that intense Hawks loss.

West Coast also got soundly destroyed at AAMI this year.

 

[rayven]

Can anyone think of an example where the best team wasn't there on GF day because of the draw?

They all be Victorians!

 

[BUTTON 92]

I don't agree, I think West Coast should of been top 4 ahead of the crows. Which effectively could of resulted in a whole different landscape.

lol we belted West Coast

 

[yeee_haaaa!!!!!]

the draw plays a massive part in determining the grand finalists and anyone denying that fact is kidding themselves

eg. swap coll or wce's 2012 draw with that of the crows and the result is that coll or wce finish 2nd on the ladder. they would then have won their 1st final at home, proceeded to have a week off before a home prelim and then waltzed into the GF

the draw has a MASSIVE impact and i can't believe there are so many people blind to this fact. this year, haw are clearly the best team in the competition and they would be in the GF regardless of whether they had to play their finals on the moon. however adel and syd finishing 2/3 was nothing more than the result of circumstances conspiring against coll and wce on the draw (and injury) front - coll and wce are clearly the 2nd and 3rd best teams in the comp all being even (not necessarily in that order) and one of them should be playing the hawks in the GF in a perfect world that contains the perfect fixture

 

[wandering123]

Every year, every club submits to the AFL a number of games they would like included in their fixture for the next year. Guaranteed, every year, most Victorian clubs request two games against Collingwood and the other bigger clubs. Essendon, St Kilda and Carlton probably all requested these 'blockbuster' games for financial reasons and were probably rewarded with them for their form last year (I haven't checked the 2012 fixture to confirm).

If these clubs are rewarded with these games, where does it leave the likes of North Melbourne? Not everyone can play Collingwood twice, and North may very well have requested 'easier' games to help their ladder position at the end of the year. Quite simply, that is the trade-off.

As Carlton and North have shown, Gold Coast and GWS are not the easybeats that every makes them out to be. The chance to play finals was very much in Carlton, St Kilda and Essendon's court. Other supporters shouldn't be so quick to point fingers at North's fixture as to why their team wasn't good enough to play finals.

The result in week one was expected - no one thought that North were in the same league as West Coast or any of the other finalists for that matter. It was our first finals series in a long time. Most of our players have never played in a final. You have to be kidding to think that the likes of Essendon, St Kilda and Carlton deserved to be there more than we did.

You want the big games, there is a trade-off. Deal with it. or complain to the administrators at your own club.

 

[mufassa]

Can't wait for the FIXTURE for next year, a few sides that slid down the ladder should be given a "softer" FIXTURE next year. Those in the Top 8 should play each other twice.

Lock in the Pies, Rich and Ess - so far you have 2 weak teams and 1 hard. My tip is one more top 8 team and 1 more weak team.

 

[Bardo State]

the draw plays a massive part in determining the grand finalists and anyone denying that fact is kidding themselves

eg. swap coll or wce's 2012 draw with that of the crows and the result is that coll or wce finish 2nd on the ladder. they would then have won their 1st final at home, proceeded to have a week off before a home prelim and then waltzed into the GF

the draw has a MASSIVE impact and i can't believe there are so many people blind to this fact. this year, haw are clearly the best team in the competition and they would be in the GF regardless of whether they had to play their finals on the moon. however adel and syd finishing 2/3 was nothing more than the result of circumstances conspiring against coll and wce on the draw (and injury) front - coll and wce are clearly the 2nd and 3rd best teams in the comp all being even (not necessarily in that order) and one of them should be playing the hawks in the GF in a perfect world that contains the perfect fixture

No, they wouldn't have. Sydney would have taken them easily.

And how are Hawthorn clearly better than Sydney? Barely got over them in the second game and beaten pretty comprehensively in the first.

 

[Pevers-Legend]

We missed finals and got an easy draw - next year I am not expecting an easy draw - but we will still get the low ratings teams and most are down the bottom of the ladder. We won't get Hawks, Pies, Cats, Blues and Ess twice - we will get one of these, 2 or 3 inter state teams and 1 or both of Dogs, Dees.

Blues finished last and Pies finished 2nd last a few years ago - Essendon were guaranteed to play them twice - swings and roundabouts.

Which is the main issue with the draw. You shouldn't get the low drawing teams. You shoud get the teams you deserve to play.

When it was a 12,14,16 (at a stretch) team comp, there were enough repeat matches to soften the mandatory double ups. 18 it becomes too distorted.

Time for a rolling draw.

 

[BUTTON 92]

the draw plays a massive part in determining the grand finalists and anyone denying that fact is kidding themselves

eg. swap coll or wce's 2012 draw with that of the crows and the result is that coll or wce finish 2nd on the ladder. they would then have won their 1st final at home, proceeded to have a week off before a home prelim and then waltzed into the GF

the draw has a MASSIVE impact and i can't believe there are so many people blind to this fact. this year, haw are clearly the best team in the competition and they would be in the GF regardless of whether they had to play their finals on the moon. however adel and syd finishing 2/3 was nothing more than the result of circumstances conspiring against coll and wce on the draw (and injury) front - coll and wce are clearly the 2nd and 3rd best teams in the comp all being even (not necessarily in that order) and one of them should be playing the hawks in the GF in a perfect world that contains the perfect fixture